Z140 or something else?

[aualliso]

[probable Y-DNA ignorance but thought I'd ask]

So, I am very new to the Y-DNA scene, but I think I am picking up on stuff fairly quickly. FTDNA placed me within the I-M253 haplogroup. It is my understanding that this haplogroup could be considered part of the "invaders" of England, either the Vikings or Anglo-Saxons. I thought my Y-111 results were kind of unusual, and I was hoping that someone could assist with interpretation. I put my markers into NEVGEN's Y-DNA haplogroup predictor and it came back with the results I1 Z58>Z59>Z60>Z140 with 98.21% certainty, but I felt a few of my markers were outside the norm for this and might point elsewhere.

For example, my DYS462 marker reading is 13. I have read that a marker of 13 is a strong indicator of Norse or Viking ancestry, whereas a marker of 12 is a marker of Anglo-Saxon ancestry.

Similarly, and perhaps confusingly, my DYS511 marker is 9, which I read is more Anglo-Saxon, and a marker of 10 is more Norse.

Also, my DYS390 is 22 which I understand to be more Anglo-Saxon, perhaps.

Am I reading these things correctly, or am I mistaken?

CDYa	34
CDYb	36
DYF395S1a	15
DYF395S1b	15
DYF406S1	9
DYS19	14
DYS385a	13
DYS385b	14
DYS388	14
DYS389I	12
DYS389II	28
DYS390	22
DYS391	10
DYS392	11
DYS393	13
DYS413a	22
DYS413b	25
DYS425	12
DYS426	11
DYS434	9
DYS435	11
DYS436	13
DYS437	16
DYS438	10
DYS439	11
DYS441	16
DYS442	13
DYS444	12
DYS445	11
DYS446	13
DYS447	22
DYS448	20
DYS449	26
DYS450	8
DYS452	31
DYS454	11
DYS455	8
DYS456	14
DYS458	16
DYS459a	8
DYS459b	9
DYS460	11
DYS461	12
DYS462	13
DYS463	21
DYS464a	12
DYS464b	14
DYS464c	15
DYS464d	15
DYS472	8
DYS481	26
DYS485	12
DYS487	12
DYS490	12
DYS492	12
DYS494	9
DYS495	16
DYS497	14
DYS504	17
DYS505	11
DYS510	17
DYS511	9
DYS513	13
DYS520	20
DYS522	11
DYS525	10
DYS531	11
DYS532	13
DYS533	11
DYS534	15
DYS537	11
DYS540	12
DYS549	12
DYS552	25
DYS556	12
DYS557	15
DYS561	15
DYS565	11
DYS568	11
DYS570	18
DYS572	11
DYS575	10
DYS576	16
DYS578	8
DYS587	18
DYS589	13
DYS590	8
DYS593	15
DYS594	10
DYS607	15
DYS617	13
DYS632	8
DYS635	22
DYS636	11
DYS638	12
DYS640	11
DYS641	10
DYS643	12
DYS650	17
DYS710	32
DYS712	23
DYS714	24
DYS715	25
DYS716	27
DYS717	19
DYS726	12
YCAIIa	19
YCAIIb	21
Y-GATA-A10	14
Y-GATA-H4	9
Y-GGAAT-1B07	11

[spruithean]

The only thing that can really confirm whether you are Z140 or not is to actually get the proper SNPs tested.

While those DYS markers you mention have their "Anglo-Saxon" and "Norse" looking values they don't always fit perfectly into these categories.

Also a good thing to remember is "Anglo-Saxon" and "Norse" in these contexts does not literally mean Anglo-Saxon and Norse. These haplotype clades were named to show their geographical pulls long before all these various SNPs had been discovered.

[danitora4]

First, would you have the values for 395a, 395b and 406? I would say that given that as you have 390=22, 385a=13, 385b=14 and 511=9, that your kit is Anglo-Saxon in origin. I ran your values through the Cullen subclade predictor, and even with the missing values, it gave a result of I-M253-AS1 =>96%. I know that the AS values are being phased out in favour of SNP values, which are more precise. What I would suggest is joining the yDNA Haplogroup I: Subclade I1 project in FTDNA, and the Z140 project. There's also a Z140 group on Facebook. Facebook is a very good place to ask questions. I'm the administrator for an uncle's FTDNA kit, and belong to a different branch - M253>Z58>Z138. My uncle's kit has DYS487=13, which points to subclade Z2541.