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    If can compile results of K10 steppes on this forum in a spreadsheet, then I can put the results on PCA plot. Out of curiosity how we are spread out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Volat View Post
    If can compile results of K10 steppes on this forum in a spreadsheet, then I can put the results on PCA plot. Out of curiosity how we are spread out.
    Great idea, thanks!
    There are words which carry the presage of defeat. Defence is such a word. What is the result of an even victorious defence? The next attempt of imposing it to that weaker, defender. The attacker, despite temporary setback, feels the master of situation:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Et1SkVldiHI

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    Quote Originally Posted by Volat View Post
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    FINAL ADMIXTURE PROPORTIONS:
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    20.23% Near_Eastern
    0.24% East_Asian
    0.07% Siberian
    0.00% Oceanian
    41.10% WHG-UHG
    0.00% Sub-Saharan
    0.88% Hindu_Kush
    37.38% Steppe
    0.09% Amerindian
    0.01% Southeast_Asian
    Here is a guy from Saint Petersburg for comparison:

    20.25% Near_Eastern
    0.72% East_Asian
    2.92% Siberian
    0.27% Oceanian
    38.14% WHG-UHG
    0.10% Sub-Saharan
    2.53% Hindu_Kush
    34.59% Steppe
    0.48% Amerindian
    0.00% Southeast_Asian

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tomenable View Post
    Here is a guy from Saint Petersburg for comparison:

    20.25% Near_Eastern
    0.72% East_Asian
    2.92% Siberian
    0.27% Oceanian
    38.14% WHG-UHG
    0.10% Sub-Saharan
    2.53% Hindu_Kush
    34.59% Steppe
    0.48% Amerindian
    0.00% Southeast_Asian
    St-Petersburg is ethnically so diverse, with people settled it from all over Russia, Ukraine and other republics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Volat View Post
    St-Petersburg is ethnically so diverse, with people settled it from all over Russia, Ukraine and other republics.
    A city such as Novosibirsk, considered to be capital of Siberia is more Russian and Slavic than St-Petersburg.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tomenable View Post
    Here is a guy from Saint Petersburg for comparison:

    20.25% Near_Eastern
    0.72% East_Asian
    2.92% Siberian
    0.27% Oceanian
    38.14% WHG-UHG
    0.10% Sub-Saharan
    2.53% Hindu_Kush
    34.59% Steppe
    0.48% Amerindian
    0.00% Southeast_Asian
    Thanks. This is very interesting. I expected more of the East_Asian + Siberian components. This is a surprise!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Volat View Post
    A city such as Novosibirsk, considered to be capital of Siberia is more Russian and Slavic than St-Petersburg.
    Why, what do you mean by that?


    Also maybe that Russian fella from St-Petersburg is not really native to that city. So you need much more samples and examples to determine an average of that city

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goga View Post
    Thanks. This is very interesting. I expected more of the East_Asian + Siberian components. This is a surprise!
    Expected more? Take a look at large samples of Russians in the spreadsheet Tomenable posted. Russians have little east asian and siberian components.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goga View Post
    Why, what do you mean by that?


    Also maybe that Russian fella from St-Petersburg is not really native to that city. So you need much more samples and examples to determine an average of that city
    What are you not clear of? St-Petersburg is a large city of around 5mln populated by peoples of all kind of ethnicities from all over former Russian empire and USSR. They don't represent people of north-western Russia. People of regional areas surrounding St-Petersburg represent north-western Russians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Volat View Post
    Expected more? Take a look at large samples of Russians in the spreadsheet Tomenable posted. Russians have little east asian and siberian components.
    Maybe I made a mistake. St-Petersburg is a northern city, close to Finland and other Finno-Ugric people. There is lots of Y-DNA hg. N1c1 in that are.

    Hg. N1c1 has to be part of WHG-UHG. I made a mistake because I didn't think about that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Volat View Post
    What are you not clear of? St-Petersburg is a large city of around 5mln populated by peoples of all kind of ethnicities from all over former Russian empire and USSR. They don't represent people of north-western Russia. People of regional areas surrounding St-Petersburg represent north-western Russians.
    Yeah, I do agree with you. Everywhere in the world cities/centers are always more mixed than in hinterland/periphery.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goga View Post
    Maybe I made a mistake. St-Petersburg is a northern city, close to Finland and other Finno-Ugric people. There is lots of Y-DNA hg. N1c1 in that are.

    Hg. N1c1 has to be part of WHG-UHG. I made a mistake because I didn't think about that.
    Yes, you made a mistake because population of St-Petersburg is not typical of that found in north-western Russia around Finland.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goga
    What I said is that Kurds are DIRECT descendants of the Medes. The Medes lived in the Iron Age in Media/Persian/Iran. Kurds and Kurdish language are NATIVE to their homeland.
    Yes, genetic data confirms that there is continuity from the Iron Age (since year 1000 BCE).

    We have a Copper Age Iranian, and an Iron Age Iranian. But we still lack a Bronze Age one.

    Quote Originally Posted by Volat
    St-Petersburg is ethnically so diverse, with people settled it from all over Russia, Ukraine and other republics.
    Yeah, big cities are melting pots with people from various regions. We need rural samples.

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    Why not available on GEDmatch?
    Sicilians and mainlander Southern Italian phenotype galleries.

    http://italicroots.lefora.com/topic/1111/Re-Groups-of-Sicilians
    http://italicroots.lefora.com/topic/375/Southern-italians-how-we-really-look

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    LeBrok,

    Your wife also scores quite a lot of Hindu Kush - is she from Cracow?

    You are 1/4 from Cracow and 3/4 from South-Eastern Mazovia, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Regio X View Post
    I don’t know about iPad, because I don’t use it. I wonder if it could easily run an “exe” anyway. I’m afraid not. I hope someone else can help you in this regard.

    Btw, there is a R version for Mac, but "readme" states that this process specifically demand a Windows or Linux machine. Particularly, I used Windows.


    It’s not complicated. You guys can do it very quickly. Let’s try a last time.

    So forget the “readme”. Just follow the steps below.

    Let’s presume that LeBrok tested in 23andMe, and that Fluffy tested in FTDNA. LeBrok will download his 23andMe raw data and name the file as LeBrok.txt , while Fluffy will download his FTDNA raw data (Build 37 Raw Data Concatenated) and name the file as Fluffy.csv . Both using Windows.

    Download SteppeK10.zip (save icon - an arrow in top right): https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-X...lRSkcwV0k/view

    Extract the files into a folder called SteppeK10, in C:/ . Now you have the folder C:/SteppeK10 , right? Inside it, the files DIYDodecadWin.exe , standardize.r , Steppe.10.F , Steppe.alleles , steppe.par , Steppe.txt .

    LeBrok and Fluffy will put the files LeBrok.txt and Fluffy.csv into the folder C:/SteppeK10, respectively.

    Download R software: http://cran.utstat.utoronto.ca/bin/w...-3.3.1-win.exe
    Install* this program in English and using default options (if you don’t know how to do it, just ask). After that, run it (click in the icon “R x.. 3.3.1” in Desktop).
    *I installed just the 64 bits version.

    Once R is running, click in “File” (top left), then click in “Change dir”. Select the folder C:/SteppeK10 and click in “ok”.

    Do you see the R console? After the “>” character, type the command below and press Enter:
    source('standardize.r')

    Now:
    a. LeBrok, who tested hypothetically with 23andMe, will type the command below, press Enter and wait til he can type anything again:
    standardize('LeBrok.txt', company='23andMe')

    b. Fluffy will do that with this command:
    standardize('Fluffy.csv', company='ftdna')

    Finally, you both will type the command below and wait results show up:
    system('DIYDodecadWin steppe.par')
    Bold= Stuck on tis part

    Okay, looks like I got into a check point and Downloaded the R console. But next to ">" when I typed ('Simon_Van_Giesen
    .txt', company='23andMe') , I got an error. Is there something I'm missing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Twilight View Post
    Bold= Stuck on tis part

    Okay, looks like I got into a check point and Downloaded the R console. But next to ">" when I typed ('Simon_Van_Giesen
    .txt', company='23andMe') , I got an error. Is there something I'm missing?
    What is the error message?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Regio X View Post
    What is the error message?
    Here you go:)

    > ('Simon_Van_Giesen.txt', company='23andMe')
    Error: unexpected ',' in "('Simon_Van_Giesen.txt',"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Twilight View Post
    Here you go:)

    > ('Simon_Van_Giesen.txt', company='23andMe')
    Error: unexpected ',' in "('Simon_Van_Giesen.txt',"
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    Oh! And it seems that you forgot the command "standardize".
    It would be as follow:
    standardize ('Simon_Van_Giesen.txt', company='23andMe')

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    Quote Originally Posted by Regio X View Post
    Oh! And it seems that you forgot the command "standardize".
    It would be as follow:
    standardize ('Simon_Van_Giesen.txt', company='23andMe')
    I guess it goes to show how good a computer technician I am . I suppose I can look at the directions tomorrow when my mind is fresh. Thanks for the tip Regio :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Twilight View Post
    I guess it goes to show how good a computer technician I am . I suppose I can look at the directions tomorrow when my mind is fresh. Thanks for the tip Regio :)
    Yeah, I tend to question how good of a programmer I am at times when I try to code or think at 8 pm when the adderall and caffeine is worn out and I'm in stupid mode. lol
    Adderall+complex carbs(I eat oatmeal and raisins for lunch every day)+aerobic exercise+caffeine+not being sleep deprived+b-12=smartiness,at least in my case....
    mmmmmmmmm dooouuughhhnuuuutz

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goga View Post
    Hindu_Kush has to be native Iranid/Aryan (Iranian Plateau neolithic) component. It is high among the Iranian people. Near_Eastern has to be partly Anatolian farmer, partly CHG, partly Levant.


    BMAC Aryans who invaded Northern India were full of Hindu_Kush component.


    Steppe + WHG-UHG ancestry in me has to be brought by people who brought Y-DNA hg. I2a and E-V13 to Kurdistan from the Steppes/Europe not so long time ago at the time of or after the Medes


    I think all other is nothing but noise..
    Iranic people didn't live in the Middle East during the neolithic. They came around 1500-1000 BC.


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_peoples

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    Does this not work with v4 23 results? I keep following it to a T and get an error when entering my file name in the command prompt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Regio X View Post
    Oh! And it seems that you forgot the command "standardize".
    It would be as follow:
    standardize ('Simon_Van_Giesen.txt', company='23andMe')
    I am stuck on part b. my file is v4( which is not indicated in your instructions as workable)

    This is my error as follows:

    standardize('Hamit.txt', company='23andMe')

    Error in file(file, "rt") : cannot open the connection
    In addition: Warning message:
    In file(file, "rt") :
    cannot open file 'hamit.txt': No such file or directory

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