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    Quote Originally Posted by Goga View Post
    about BMAC (Oxus culture) and Kopet-Dag. Kopet-Dag is an ancient prehistoric village located within BMAC and predate all Steppe Cultures by THOUSANDS of years!!!


    " The ancient Oxus culture may have arisen at sites like Anau, a settlement at the base of the Kopet-Dag mountains, which dates back to 6500 B.C.

    Pumpelly clung to his vision of an early civilization that thrived along the rivers flowing down from the Kopet-Dag. Years later, Soviet archaeologists working along the mountain foothills confirmed that as early as 6500 B.C., small bands of people were living in the Kopet-Dag, raising wheat and barley and grazing their sheep and goats on the mountains' foothills and slopes. That's a few thousand years after these grains were domesticated in the Near East but much earlier than most researchers had thought likely, supporting Pumpelly's view that Central Asian culture developed much sooner than commonly believed.


    By 3000 B.C., the people of the Kopet-Dag had organized into walled towns. They used carts drawn by domesticated animals, and their pottery resembles the kind later found in Gonur. Many Soviet and Western archaeologists suspect that the Oxus civilization—at least in Margiana, the region in Turkmenistan and Uzbekistan—evolved from this Kopet-Dag culture. "





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    Good, so farmers lived there in organized settlements. Then the army of horsemen came from north and conquered them like many other farming civilizations. You know, we have good records how an army of horsemen conquered half the world not that far back. The world of farmers with much bigger populations and money. They were called Mongols. Remember?
    Be wary of people who tend to glorify the past, underestimate the present, and demonize the future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeBrok View Post
    You are confusing Caucasian region with Caucasian admixture in this run. It is not what usually we call Caucasian, like per Caucasian Hunter Gatherer. In this run it seems Caucasian is really Anatolian Neolithic.
    What is the True Caucasian is actually called Baloch here, which is Iranian Neolithic and CHG, both almost identical anyway. So Baloch is True Caucasian, and what is called Caucasian is Anatolian Neolithic.
    We can only say that Maykop brought part of PIE, especially farming technology. We don't know their language and religion.


    Again, it is called Baloch here, and it is as CHG as Iranian Neolithic.

    Unless my R1b clade was found in Iran. ;)



    We just need to find genome of CHG or Iranian Neolithic guy in Gedmatch to solve the rest of the puzzle.
    You are wrong big time. Now you revealed yourself that you understand anything about it. What you are saying is nothing but bull.


    You are confused big time. CHG and Iranian Neolithic folks were 2 separate groups. Iosif Lazaridis study proved that. Maybe they were related to each other but they were separated. Caucasian component is at it's highest in Caucasus Mountains. Caucasian component peaks in the Caucasus Mountains. Caucasian component is highly related to CHG, period.


    Anatolian farmers could have both Caucasian + Mediterranean component.

    SW_Asian component is related to the Levant farmers, while Mediterranean component could be related to both of them, Levant & Anatolian Farmer.



    Again you are very confused. Yamnaya Horizon folks were partly West Asian in nature and partly native (Indo-Europized) Steppe folks. West Asian PIE folks Indo-Europized the Yamnaya Horizon. It has been proven by DNA, archeology etc..


    They found some crazy ancient R1b in West Asia (Armenia, next to Iran) and those R1b lineages were ancestral to the Yamnaya R1b lineages. FACT!!!


    In Iran they found some ancient Y-DNA P1 haplogroups. Where is P1 there has to be R1* and R2* haplogroups. Like, where is smoke there is fire. It is impossible that R1* evolved far way from P1.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeBrok View Post
    Good, so farmers lived there in organized settlements. Then the army of horsemen came from north and conquered them like many other farming civilizations. You know, we have good records how an army of horsemen conquered half the world not that far back. The world of farmers with much bigger populations and money. They were called Mongols. Remember?
    LMAO, you don't know what you are talking about. Well, if farmers in organized settlements were conquered how is it possible that they left so much of their DNA in the Steppes? There is so much of Iranian DNA in the Steppes that is obvious that the Steppe folks were invaded and conquered by the Iranians from the Iranian Plateau. They were only linguistically and culturally Iranized, but not fully genetically Iranizied, since they still kept for 66% of their native Steppe ancestry. Iranians/Aryans from BMAC left only 30% of their Aryan DNA in the Steppes and were later assimilated and their Aryan DNA was after some time diluted in the Steppes


    It were the highly ADVANCED mighty Aryans (East Iranian speakers) from the (proto-)BMAC (Iranian Plateau) who brought some civilization into the Steppes. There are huge archeological evidences for that!


    Those who were conquered by the Mongols, didn't left much of their genetic traces IN Mongolia, lol. Is there Arabian/Egyptian DNA in Mongolia??? But there IS Iranian DNA in the Steppes.


    At that time there was MUCH MORE Iranian (Aryan) DNA in the Steppes (more than 30% !!), than vice versa (Steppes DNA in Iran). And now tell me, who conquered who? Who was just a passive receiver of DNA and who was the real active DONOR of the conquest DNA?


    Y-DNA R1a entered the Steppes together with the MASSIVE amount of the Iranian auDNA. If R1a was not related to the Iranian auDNA (Gedrosia/Baloch/Hindu Kush), then what haplogorup could bring more than 30% of Iranian DNA in the Steppes? It has to be only R1a, there are no other options and haplogroup which we can take into consideration.



    East Iranias / East Aryans were so highly sexual active in their conquest of the Steppes, that they left more that 30% of their DNA in the Steppes and R1a lineages with those more than 30% of their auDNA, this is a fact. This was unprecedented, even the Mongols couldn't do that thousands of years after them...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goga View Post
    You are wrong big time. Now you revealed yourself that you understand anything about it. What you are saying is nothing but bull.


    You are confused big time. CHG and Iranian Neolithic folks were 2 separate groups. Iosif Lazaridis study proved that. Maybe they were related to each other but they were separated. Caucasian component is at it's highest in Caucasus Mountains. Caucasian component peaks in the Caucasus Mountains. Caucasian component is highly related to CHG, period.


    Anatolian farmers could have both Caucasian + Mediterranean component.

    SW_Asian component is related to the Levant farmers, while Mediterranean component could be related to both of them, Levant & Anatolian Farmer.



    Again you are very confused. Yamnaya Horizon folks were partly West Asian in nature and partly native (Indo-Europized) Steppe folks. West Asian PIE folks Indo-Europized the Yamnaya Horizon. It has been proven by DNA, archeology etc..


    They found some crazy ancient R1b in West Asia (Armenia, next to Iran) and those R1b lineages were ancestral to the Yamnaya R1b lineages. FACT!!!


    In Iran they found some ancient Y-DNA P1 haplogroups. Where is P1 there has to be R1* and R2* haplogroups. Like, where is smoke there is fire. It is impossible that R1* evolved far way from P1.
    Put it finally through your thick skull that what is called Caucasian or South-West Asian in Lazaridis paper is not the same as the Caucasian or South-West Asian in this calculator. These are not universal terms!
    How could you explain lack of S-W Asian and low level of Caucasian in Yamnaya/Catacomb Rise 552! Same goes to Afansievo and Sintashta. Can you see it, or you just pretend you can read and understand these calculator runs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goga View Post
    LMAO, you don't know what you are talking about. Well, if farmers in organized settlements were conquered how is it possible that they left so much of their DNA in the Steppes? There is so much of Iranian DNA in the Steppes that is obvious that the Steppe folks were invaded and conquered by the Iranians from the Iranian Plateau. They were only linguistically and culturally Iranized, but not fully genetically Iranizied, since they still kept for 66% of their native Steppe ancestry. Iranians/Aryans from BMAC left only 30% of their Aryan DNA in the Steppes and were later assimilated and their Aryan DNA was after some time diluted in the Steppes


    It were the highly ADVANCED mighty Aryans (East Iranian speakers) from the (proto-)BMAC (Iranian Plateau) who brought some civilization into the Steppes. There are huge archeological evidences for that!


    Those who were conquered by the Mongols, didn't left much of their genetic traces IN Mongolia, lol. Is there Arabian/Egyptian DNA in Mongolia??? But there IS Iranian DNA in the Steppes.


    At that time there was MUCH MORE Iranian (Aryan) DNA in the Steppes (more than 30% !!), than vice versa (Steppes DNA in Iran). And now tell me, who conquered who? Who was just a passive receiver of DNA and who was the real active DONOR of the conquest DNA?


    Y-DNA R1a entered the Steppes together with the MASSIVE amount of the Iranian auDNA. If R1a was not related to the Iranian auDNA (Gedrosia/Baloch/Hindu Kush), then what haplogorup could bring more than 30% of Iranian DNA in the Steppes? It has to be only R1a, there are no other options and haplogroup which we can take into consideration.



    East Iranias / East Aryans were so highly sexual active in their conquest of the Steppes, that they left more that 30% of their DNA in the Steppes and R1a lineages with those more than 30% of their auDNA, this is a fact. This was unprecedented, even the Mongols couldn't do that thousands of years after them...
    Oh you didn't get how it went yet? We have all the puzzle pieces in place, well almost. Have a listen:
    First Iranian Farmers went through Caucasus and settled in the Steppe around European Hunter Gatherers. Iranian Farmers brought Caucasus admixture (here called Baloch) and HGs where EHG kind (here as NE Europeans) They mixed together, became herders/farmers and domesticated horses. Their genetic example here is Rise 552, basically half NE European and half Baloch+Caucasian. Once they learned how to ride horses and move across the steppe they started spreading and conquering. That's how they brought Baloch-Caucasian to the rest of Asia and Europe. They also migrated and conquered South Asia as Indo-Aryans. They are the cause of NE European admixture in Iran today and since the Bronze Age. Check Iran1400 sample, having over 7% of it. For comparison check the Copper Age Iranian sample. It doesn't have NE European at all! Why is that? That's because Indo-Aryan invaded Iran during Bronze Age. So, it makes a lot of sense that the copper/neolithic Iranian guy couldn't have NE European admixture yet. He live before the invasion.
    I hope it will help you imagine how it all went down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeBrok View Post
    Put it finally through your thick skull that what is called Caucasian or South-West Asian in Lazaridis paper is not the same as the Caucasian or South-West Asian in this calculator. These are not universal terms!
    How could you explain lack of S-W Asian and low level of Caucasian in Yamnaya/Catacomb Rise 552! Same goes to Afansievo and Sintashta. Can you see it, or you just pretend you can read and understand these calculator runs?
    OMG. You don't understand anything.

    If Afansievo and Sintashta are not the same as Yamnaya, then it is a great evidence that Yamnaya never Indo-Europized Afansievo & Sintashta. Afansievo & Sintashta were NEVER directly Indo-Europized by the Maykop/Leyla Tepe folks. It was Yamnaya that was DIRECTLY Indo-Europized by Maykop/Leyla Tepe.


    And Yamnaya was Indo-Europized by people from Leyla-Tepe and not by people from Northern Caucasus.


    And we are using just 1 calculator, maybe other calculators would be better and will tell a different story! Dont rely on just 1 calculator!


    What don't you understand??


    According to Population Spreadsheet for HarappaWorld

    Abhkasian (Northern Caucasians) have 69.15 % Caucasian and 18.49 % Baloch.





    abc.jpg


    Are you saying that Abhkasians who live in the NORHTERN Caucasus are ONLY 18.49% CHG and 69.15 % Anatolian Farmers. This is definitely a very stupid thing to say.


    Sindhi from INDIA !!! score only 9.68 % Caucasian and 46.18 % Baloch? Are you saying that Sindhi from INDIA are MORE CHG than Abhkasians from NORHTERN Caucasus?


    Abhkasian from Northern Caucasus : Caucasian = 69.15 vs. Baloch = 9.68 %
    Sindhi from India : Caucasian = 9.68 % vs. Baloch 46.18 %


    So according to YOU Sindhi are more CHG than Abhkasians who are actually native to Northern Caucasus. This is crazy..


    Are you from real??

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    Goga, Iran Neolithic wasn't the same as modern Iranians just as Europe Neolithic isn't the same as modern Europeans. 50% or more of Iranian's ancestry is from different sources, mostly people related to Anatolia Neolithic. Don't treat them as the same people as modern Iranians or any nearby people(Kurds). Stop with the Iranian-supremacist bull shit. No matter how often your fantasies are proven incorrect you stick to them, it is very annoying. Why do you copy the idea of a superior Aryan race from white supremacist? You're copying from your enemies. Kurds are just people, they're not superior to anyone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goga View Post
    OMG. You don't understand anything.

    If Afansievo and Sintashta are not the same as Yamnaya, then it is a great evidence that Yamnaya never Indo-Europized Afansievo & Sintashta.


    What don't you understand??


    According to Population Spreadsheet for HarappaWorld

    Abhkasian (Northern Caucasians) have 69.15 % Caucasian and 18.49 % Baloch.



    abc.jpg


    Are you saying that Abhkasians who live in the NORHTERN Caucasus are ONLY 18.49% CHG?

    Sindhi from INDIA !!! score only 9.68 % Caucasian and 46.18 % Baloch? Are you saying that Sindhi from INDIA are MORE CHG than Abhkasians from NORHTERN Caucasus?



    Are you from real??
    Never mind Sintashta.

    Tell me why Yamnaya/Catacomb, the guy who lived just behind Caucasus-Rise 552, is so low on Caucasian admixture in this run? Should it be at 50% not mere 6? Tell us how you make sense out of it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fire Haired14 View Post
    Goga, Iran Neolithic wasn't the same as modern Iranians just as Europe Neolithic isn't the same as modern Europeans. 50% or more of Iranian's ancestry is from different sources, mostly people related to Anatolia Neolithic. Don't treat them as the same people as modern Iranians or any nearby people(Kurds). Stop with the Iranian-supremacist bull shit. No matter how often your fantasies are proven incorrect you stick to them, it is very annoying. Why do you copy the idea of a superior Aryan race from white supremacist? You're copying from your enemies. Kurds are just people, they're not superior to anyone.
    I'm so regretting we don't have Iranian Neolithic guy in this calculator. Things would become obvious even for Goga.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeBrok View Post
    Oh you didn't get how it went yet? We have all the puzzle pieces in place, well almost. Have a listen:
    First Iranian Farmers went through Caucasus and settled in the Steppe around European Hunter Gatherers. Iranian Farmers brought Caucasus admixture (here called Baloch) and HGs where EHG kind (here as NE Europeans) They mixed together, became herders/farmers and domesticated horses. Their genetic example here is Rise 552, basically half NE European and half Baloch+Caucasian. Once they learned how to ride horses and move across the steppe they started spreading and conquering. That's how they brought Baloch-Caucasian to the rest of Asia and Europe. They also migrated and conquered South Asia as Indo-Aryans. They are the cause of NE European admixture in Iran today and since the Bronze Age. Check Iran1400 sample, having over 7% of it. For comparison check the Copper Age Iranian sample. It doesn't have NE European at all! Why is that? That's because Indo-Aryan invaded Iran during Bronze Age. So, it makes a lot of sense that the copper/neolithic Iranian guy couldn't have NE European admixture yet. He live before the invasion.
    I hope it will help you imagine how it all went down.
    Only in YOUR dreams it was this way? It is a wishful thinking of the Eurocentric Europeans and wannabe Aryans and racist who can handle the real truth.

    What happened was NOT that difficult. It was much simpler.


    Leyla Tepe Proto-Indo-Europeans migrated into the Yamnaya Horzin from the Maykop culture. They Indo-Europized the Yamnaya folks of the Steppes. Than those Indo-Europized Yamnaaya folks invaded Europe.



    Afansievo, Sintashta etc. never got Indo-Eurpized by Yamnaya folks. Native Afansievo / Sintashta folks were not Indo-Europeans at all, and definately not Iranian, not by language, not by culture and not by race.


    Only LATER the Eastern Steppes cultures were Iranized by Aryans from the Iranian Plateau/BMAC. Aryans of BMAC/Iranian Plateau were much more advanced than primitive folks of the Steppes.

    This was the case. And now we have GENETIC evidences for this.




    10dsaoh.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fire Haired14 View Post
    Goga, Iran Neolithic wasn't the same as modern Iranians just as Europe Neolithic isn't the same as modern Europeans. 50% or more of Iranian's ancestry is from different sources, mostly people related to Anatolia Neolithic. Don't treat them as the same people as modern Iranians or any nearby people(Kurds). Stop with the Iranian-supremacist bull shit. No matter how often your fantasies are proven incorrect you stick to them, it is very annoying.
    Listen dude, I'm not 100% like those fellas of Iran Neolithic. Nobody is. But what I'm trying to say is that those people came from the Iranian Plateau. I'm talking about the migration patters and migration routes and URHEIMAT of original PIE and Aryan (Iranid) folks.

    And it was NOT in the Steppes and not in Europe.

    Iranian language evolved on the Iranian Plateau and NOT in the Steppes.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fire Haired14 View Post
    Why do you copy the idea of a superior Aryan race from white supremacist? You're copying from your enemies. Kurds are just people, they're not superior to anyone.
    Those wannabe Aryans are not my enemies. I'm not Semitic and I'm not a Jew.

    They want to be like me and want to have my history. My people the Medes, were the only one who called themselves the Aryans and were the true Aryans who found the real Great Aryan Empire.


    Those wannabe Aryans are stealing MY history and are talking about MY ancestors. Of course I will denounce and fight their lies. Because they do lie about ME and my history and my mighty Aryan ancestors.

    At the first day they will stop trying to steal my history, I'll stop to fight them. I'm not trying to steal their history, they are trying to steal MY history.


    The Medes were the ORIGINAL Aryan people and they were native to the Iranian Plateau, period!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goga View Post
    Only in YOUR dreams it was this way? It is a wishful thinking of the Eurocentric Europeans and wannabe Aryans and racist who can handle the real truth.

    What happened was NOT that difficult. It was much simpler.


    Leyla Tepe Proto-Indo-Europeans migrated into the Yamnaya Horzin from the Maykop culture. They Indo-Europized the Yamnaya folks of the Steppes. Than those Indo-Europized Yamnaaya folks invaded Europe.



    Afansievo, Sintashta etc. never got Indo-Eurpized by Yamnaya folks. Native Afansievo / Sintashta folks were not Indo-Europeans at all, and definately not Iranian, not by language, not by culture and not by race.


    Only LATER the Eastern Steppes cultures were Iranized by Aryans from the Iranian Plateau/BMAC. Aryans of BMAC/Iranian Plateau were much more advanced than primitive folks of the Steppes.

    This was the case. And now we have GENETIC evidences for this.




    10dsaoh.jpg
    Leave your fantasies alone and let's talk empirical evidence. Again how can you explain this, because I have a hunch that you don't understand this calculator at all:
    Tell me why Yamnaya/Catacomb, the guy who lived just behind Caucasus-Rise 552, is so low on Caucasian admixture in this run? Should it be at 50%, as per Lazaridis, not mere 6? Tell us how you make sense out of it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeBrok View Post
    Leave your fantasies alone and let's talk empirical evidence. Again how can you explain this, because I have a hunch that you don't understand this calculator at all:
    Tell me why Yamnaya/Catacomb, the guy who lived just behind Caucasus-Rise 552, is so low on Caucasian admixture in this run? Should it be at 50%, as per Lazaridis, not mere 6? Tell us how you make sense out of it?
    Very EASY.


    First of all like I wrote earlier we are using only 1 calculator. Maybe other calculators would be better and a show us a better and different picture.


    You don't get it, man. What is wrong with you? You think like a child. You are blinded by your willingness to be somebody else. Be proud of you are and simply don't try to steal history of other people.



    According to Population Spreadsheet for HarappaWorld:

    Abhkasian from Northern Caucasus : Caucasian = 69.15 vs. Baloch = 9.68 %
    Sindhi from India : Caucasian = 9.68 % vs. Baloch 46.18 %


    And according to YOU Sindhi are more CHG than Abhkasians who are actually native to Northern Caucasus. Are Abhkasians only 9.68 % CHG? Really? Are you serious? OPENYOUR EYESS!!!



    Yamnaya/Catacomb folks were NEVER Indo-Europized by CHG folks. Yamnaya Horzion was Indo-Europized by people from Leyla Tepe / Iranian Plateua via Maykop.
    There are many evidences that culture of Maykop was closely related to Leyla Tepe.


    " It has been suggested that the Leyla-Tepe were the founders of the Maykop culture.

    The culture has also been linked to the north Ubaid period monuments,[4] in particular, with the settlements in the Eastern Anatolia Region (Arslantepe, Coruchu-tepe, Tepechik, etc.).
    An expedition to Syria by the Russian Academy of Sciences revealed the similarity of the Maykop and Leyla-Tepe artifacts with those found recently while excavating the ancient city of Tel Khazneh I, from the 4th millennium BC "


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leyla-Tepe_culture

    http://www.paleog.ru/hazna.html





    It was all from Leyla Tepe / Iranian Plateau. They were the same people who brought CIVILIZATION to the Mesopotamia and Egypt.


    People from Leyla Tepe/Iranian Plateau went through Northern Caucasus/Maykop and from there they migrated and Indo-Europized the Yamnaya Horizon.



    P1, R*, R2, R1*, R1b* and R1a* are not related to CHG. (Caucasian)
    P1, R*, R2, R1*, R1b* and R1a* are related to the Iranian Plateau folks. (Gedrosia, Balcoh, Hindu Kush)

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeBrok View Post
    I'm so regretting we don't have Iranian Neolithic guy in this calculator. Things would become obvious even for Goga.
    Very simple. I see a very clear pattern. Folks from Iran more closer to the prehistoric times are getting more Gedrosia. So, pure Iranian Neolithic people would be mostly Gedrosia/Baloch/Hindu Kush people. Nothing to do with the Steppes.

    Later on, actually during very recently, only 2000 years ago, there was some back migration of East Iranized Scythians from the Steppes who migrated into the Median Empire / West Asia and those brought some Steppe ancestry with them. Again, nothing to do with PIE and proto-Indo-Iranians. But it was not much and much, much less than Indo-Europeans from the Iranian Plateau who left their Iranian/Indo-European DNA in the Steppes..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goga View Post
    Very EASY.


    First of all like I wrote earlier we are using only 1 calculator. Maybe other calculators would be better and a show us a better and different picture.


    You don't get it, man. What is wrong with you? You think like a child. You are blinded by your willingness to be somebody else. Be proud of you are and simply don't try to steal history of other people.
    Oh, you don't like the calculator, lol, tough lack. The world is not what you like it to be. In the real world you learn how it works from the data.
    Now we know that you don't have a clue and don't have an explanation to my question. You have no idea what are the admixtures here, and you confusing them with Lazaridis ones.
    No problem then for you to imagine your perfect fantasy world.
    Then you went straight to insults. Not nice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeBrok View Post
    Oh, you don't like the calculator, lol, tough lack. The world is not what you like it to be. In the real world you learn how it works from the data.
    Now we know that you don't have a clue and don't have an explanation to my question. You have no idea what are the admixtures here, and you confusing them with Lazaridis ones.
    No problem then for you to imagine your perfect fantasy world.
    Then you went straight to insults. Not nice.
    I did not insult you. You gave me an infraction for nothing. Like always, how cute.

    I gave a correct answer to your question and now you can't counter it.


    My answer was that Indo-Europeans from Maykop who Indo-Europized the Yamnaya Horizon were not CHG folks, but they came originally from Leyla Tepe and were therefore native Iranid people full of Gedrosia/Baloch/Hindu Kush auDNA. R1b was not related to CHG, but to the Iranian Plateau.
    The same people who came from Leyla Tepe, brought also civilization in the Mesopotamia and Egypt. Those folks were the true civilization builders.


    According to YOU Sindhi are more CHG than Abhkasians who are actually native to Northern Caucasus. Because Sindhi from India have more Baloch auDNA, while Abhkasian from Northern Caucasus have only 9.68 % Baloch and
    69.15 !!! Caucasian. I mean, really?

    Abhkasian : Caucasian = 69.15 vs. Baloch = 9.68 %
    Sindhi : Caucasian = 9.68 % vs. Baloch 46.18 %


    And now you're talking about the lala lulaby worlds.



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    LeBrok, Goga:

    Iran Neolithic samples are on Gedmatch as well:

    http://forum.molgen.org/index.php?topic=8462.0

    http://www.y-str.org/p/ancient-dna.html

    From the first link (forum molgen):

    I1290-IranN - Gedmatch kit M967114
    I1671-IranLN - Gedmatch kit M937770

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    When using HarappaWorld calculator:

    Kit M967114 (Iran Neolithic):

    Admix Results (sorted):


    # Population Percent
    1 Baloch 62.71
    2 Caucasian 24.97
    3 S-Indian 6.13
    4 SW-Asian 3.88
    5 W-African 1.78
    6 Papuan 0.35
    7 San 0.18

    Kit M937770 (Iran Late Neolithic):

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 Baloch 56.25
    2 Caucasian 32.91
    3 SW-Asian 8
    4 S-Indian 2.64
    5 Pygmy 0.21

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    HarappaWorld:
    Comparing Goga (Pure Aryan) with Ancient Iranian (supposed source of IEs)

    Admixture: Zoran: Arya: Goga: Iranian
    Neolithic
    IrnCopperAge Afansevo
    Rise 509
    Caucasian 40,79 40,88 40,84 24.97 49.91 2.03
    Baloch 27,95 29,33 27,86 62.71 37,82 29.56
    SW-Asian 13,29 14,96 13,9 3.88 10.88 -
    NE-Euro 4,3 4,75 3,92 0 - 63.24
    Mediterranean 8,05 4,17 8,27 0 - 1.89
    S-Indian 2,99 3,71 2,23 6.13 1.05 -
    Siberian 0,96 0,22 1,08 0 - 1.64
    W-African - - - 1.78 0.33 0.72
    SE-Asian - 0,27 0,57 0 - -
    Beringian - 0,26 - 0 - 1.45
    NE-Asian - 0,39 - 0 - -
    Papuan 0,28 0,92 0,36 0.35 - -
    American 0,67 - 0,98 0 - 1.40
    San 0,63 - - 0.18 - -
    E-African 0,07 0,14 - 0 - -
    Pygmy - - - 0 -

    Quote Originally Posted by Goga View Post
    Listen dude, I'm not 100% like those fellas of Iran Neolithic.
    Not even close.
    You and Neolithic guy are like from different planets. Your fantazy about purity of "your" race is gone. The hard truth of dynamic and ever changing world is obvious. Lots of mixing and remixing happened since.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeBrok View Post
    HarappaWorld:
    Comparing Goga (Pure Aryan) with Ancient Iranian (supposed source of IEs)

    Admixture: Zoran: Arya: Goga: Iranian
    Neolithic
    IrnCopperAge Afansevo
    Rise 509
    Caucasian 40,79 40,88 40,84 24.97 49.91 2.03
    Baloch 27,95 29,33 27,86 62.71 37,82 29.56
    SW-Asian 13,29 14,96 13,9 3.88 10.88 -
    NE-Euro 4,3 4,75 3,92 0 - 63.24
    Mediterranean 8,05 4,17 8,27 0 - 1.89
    S-Indian 2,99 3,71 2,23 6.13 1.05 -
    Siberian 0,96 0,22 1,08 0 - 1.64
    W-African - - - 1.78 0.33 0.72
    SE-Asian - 0,27 0,57 0 - -
    Beringian - 0,26 - 0 - 1.45
    NE-Asian - 0,39 - 0 - -
    Papuan 0,28 0,92 0,36 0.35 - -
    American 0,67 - 0,98 0 - 1.40
    San 0,63 - - 0.18 - -
    E-African 0,07 0,14 - 0 - -
    Pygmy - - - 0 -


    Not even close.
    You and Neolithic guy are like from different planets. Your fantazy about purity of "your" race is gone. The hard truth of dynamic and ever changing world is obvious. Lots of mixing and remixing happened since.
    He's close to Iran Copper Age. There's more continuity almost everywhere that what many would have supposed, although what you said is also true.

    People who believe that Afanasevo was Proto-Iranian are delusional.

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    Kit M381564 (Iran Iron Age, 971-832 BC):

    HarappaWorld - Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 Caucasian 47.6
    2 Baloch 29.17
    3 SW-Asian 13.43
    4 Mediterranean 6.66
    5 NE-Euro 3.01
    6 W-African 0.11
    7 Pygmy 0.03

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Kurd (xing) 4.36
    2 Kurd (yunusbayev) 4.4
    3 Kurd (harappa) 7.61
    4 Iranian (harappa) 8.38
    5 Iranian (behar) 9.29

    So now we have a lot of Iranians to compare with each other:

    Neolithic, Late Neolithic, Copper Age, Iron Age, Medieval and modern Iranians.

    Only a Bronze Age Iranian is still missing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tomenable View Post
    Kit M381564 (Iran Iron Age, 971-832 BC):

    HarappaWorld - Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 Caucasian 47.6
    2 Baloch 29.17
    3 SW-Asian 13.43
    4 Mediterranean 6.66
    5 NE-Euro 3.01
    6 W-African 0.11
    7 Pygmy 0.03

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Kurd (xing) 4.36
    2 Kurd (yunusbayev) 4.4
    3 Kurd (harappa) 7.61
    4 Iranian (harappa) 8.38
    5 Iranian (behar) 9.29

    So now we have a lot of Iranians to compare with each other:

    Neolithic, Late Neolithic, Copper Age, Iron Age, Medieval and modern Iranians.

    Only a Bronze Age Iranian is still missing.
    Seems like Kurds changed the least in the area from Iron Age, though Iranians drifted quite a bit.

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    There's continuity since the Copper Age. Mediterranean and NE Euro slightly increase in Iron Age. A few samples aren't enough but let's assume that they are represantative.

    So:
    1) Either the languages are native there (I don't believe that)
    2) or some people with mostly Caucasian and some South West Asian admixture brought IE during the Copper Age
    3) or some people with Mediterranean (~2/3) and NE Euro (~1/3) admixture brought IE after the Copper Age

    Baloch admixture peaks in Brahui people, Baloch etc
    Caucasian admixture peaks in Georgians, Abkhasians etc
    NE Euro admixture peaks in Finnish, Lithuanians etc
    Mediterranean admixture peaks in Sardinians, Basque etc
    SW Asian admixture peaks in Saudis, Bedouins etc

    Baloch decreases though, so I think it's unlikely that the culture which brought IE had it.

    [I personally don't accept kurgan theory at all, though I believe Western 'steppes' were IE]

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    HarappaWorld:
    Genetic transformation and similarities of Iranians through times.

    Admixture: Goga: Iranian
    Medieval
    Iranian
    Iron Age
    Iranian
    Copper
    Age
    Iranian
    Late
    Neolithic
    Iranian
    Neolithic
    Source
    of
    Admixtures
    Caucasian 40,84 45.47 47.6 49.91 32.91 24.97 Mostly in CHG
    Baloch 27,86 26.89 29.17 37,82 56.25 62.71 Mostly in Iranian Farmer
    SW-Asian 13,9 13.13 13.43 10.88 8.00 3.88 Mostly in Natufians
    NE-Euro 3,92 7.27 3.01 0 0 0 EHG
    Mediterranean 8,27 4.87 6.66 0 0 0 Anatolian EF/20% in WHG
    S-Indian 2,23 1.23 0 1.05 2.64 6.13
    Siberian 1,08 0.65 0 0 0 0
    W-African 0 0.20 0.11 0.33 0 1.78
    SE-Asian 0,57 0.57 0 0 0 0
    Beringian 0 0.12 0 0 0 0
    NE-Asian 0 0 0 0 0 0
    Papuan 0,36 0 0.35 0 0 0.35
    American 0,98 0 0 0 0 0
    San 0 0 0 0 0 0.18
    E-African 0 0 0 0 0 0
    Pygmy 0 0 0.03 0 0.21 0

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    Quote Originally Posted by A. Papadimitriou View Post
    There's continuity since the Copper Age.
    If not counting ~15% of European-like admixture after the Copper Age (migration from Bronze Age Steppe?).

    Later also some Siberian-East Asian and African after 1400 AD (Timurid invasion added East Asian-Siberian?):

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timurid_dynasty

    Here is a comparison with use of Dodecad K12b calculator:

    http://s17.postimg.org/vj5yem6jz/Iranians.png



    ^^^
    By the way, Arya is of Bakhtiari descent (they are a Lurish tribe from South-Western Iran):

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bakhtiari_people

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