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    Quote Originally Posted by Joey37 View Post
    Me-
    1NE-Euro 45.04
    2Mediterranean 31.78
    3Caucasian 12.05
    4Baloch 9.24
    5American 0.98
    6Siberian 0.32
    7NE-Asian 0.26
    8Beringian 0.17
    9SW-Asian 0.15
    Closest population match-French
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    Thanks very much interesting..

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    My Fathers results. the sw Asian is 1.5% and my mothers has 0.8% sw Asian
    so why have I got higher reading.

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    My Dads results
    Population
    S-Indian -
    Baloch 8.35
    Caucasian 8.16
    NE-Euro 48.43
    SE-Asian -
    Siberian -
    NE-Asian -
    Papuan -
    American -
    Beringian 1.05
    Mediterranean 32.75
    SW-Asian 1.22
    San -
    E-African -
    Pygmy -
    W-African

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    My Mums results
    Population
    S-Indian 0.46
    Baloch 10.38
    Caucasian 7.00
    NE-Euro 47.11
    SE-Asian -
    Siberian -
    NE-Asian -
    Papuan 0.08
    American 1.08
    Beringian -
    Mediterranean 33.22
    SW-Asian 0.08
    San 0.57
    E-African -
    Pygmy -
    W-African -

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    Quote Originally Posted by RobbieMink View Post
    My Mums results
    Population
    S-Indian 0.46
    Baloch 10.38
    Caucasian 7.00
    NE-Euro 47.11
    SE-Asian -
    Siberian -
    NE-Asian -
    Papuan 0.08
    American 1.08
    Beringian -
    Mediterranean 33.22
    SW-Asian 0.08
    San 0.57
    E-African -
    Pygmy -
    W-African -
    Actually it says 0.08% not 0.8%. We might have a mystery here. ;)

    Your mother's run looks typical british. Your father however is partially looking like North German, or some interesting combination from his parents.
    Last edited by LeBrok; 18-12-18 at 18:00.

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    Thanks very much, your spot on I think my Father Great Grandfather was half North German and the rest where British as far as I can tell.
    but his maternal side the majority are British but his great grandmother doesn't show her surname.

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    Hi - Hoping someone can help me. Total newbie and my appologies in advance if I am posting in the wrong spot. I did a DNA test with 23&me, I uploaded raw data to Gedmatch. I then ran my HarappaWorld admixture z- below are my results. trying to figure out what this means? on 23&me it stated I was 99.7% South Asian and .03% Broadly European. As a result I dont know how to interpret my admixture

    Population
    S-Indian 31.57 Pct
    Baloch 39.26 Pct
    Caucasian 15.18 Pct
    NE-Euro 10.43 Pct
    SE-Asian -
    Siberian 0.45 Pct
    NE-Asian -
    Papuan -
    American 0.49 Pct
    Beringian 0.30 Pct
    Mediterranean 0.37 Pct
    SW-Asian 0.85 Pct
    San 0.32 Pct
    E-African 0.78 Pct
    Pygmy -
    W-African

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam1971 View Post
    Hi - Hoping someone can help me. Total newbie and my appologies in advance if I am posting in the wrong spot. I did a DNA test with 23&me, I uploaded raw data to Gedmatch. I then ran my HarappaWorld admixture z- below are my results. trying to figure out what this means? on 23&me it stated I was 99.7% South Asian and .03% Broadly European. As a result I dont know how to interpret my admixture

    Population
    S-Indian 31.57 Pct
    Baloch 39.26 Pct
    Caucasian 15.18 Pct
    NE-Euro 10.43 Pct
    SE-Asian -
    Siberian 0.45 Pct
    NE-Asian -
    Papuan -
    American 0.49 Pct
    Beringian 0.30 Pct
    Mediterranean 0.37 Pct
    SW-Asian 0.85 Pct
    San 0.32 Pct
    E-African 0.78 Pct
    Pygmy -
    W-African
    By numbers you fit Punjab or Pakistan-Afghanistan area.

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    Post My HarappaWorld Gedmatch

    # Population Percent
    1 Mediterranean 39.04
    2 NE-Euro 28.92
    3 Caucasian 12.6
    4 Baloch 5.63
    5 SW-Asian 4.78
    6 W-African 4.63
    7 E-African 1.35
    8 American 0.84
    9 Pygmy 0.81
    10 Papuan 0.72
    11 NE-Asian 0.4
    12 SE-Asian 0.3
    13 S-Indian -
    14 Siberian -
    15 Beringian -
    16 San -
    I'm from the Southeast Region of Brazil, city of Belo Horizonte.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duarte View Post
    # Population Percent
    1 Mediterranean 39.04
    2 NE-Euro 28.92
    3 Caucasian 12.6
    4 Baloch 5.63
    5 SW-Asian 4.78
    6 W-African 4.63
    7 E-African 1.35
    8 American 0.84
    9 Pygmy 0.81
    10 Papuan 0.72
    11 NE-Asian 0.4
    12 SE-Asian 0.3
    13 S-Indian -
    14 Siberian -
    15 Beringian -
    16 San -
    I'm from the Southeast Region of Brazil, city of Belo Horizonte.
    I'd say that your origin is definitely Iberian with 5 percent sub saharan African admixture. I have too few samples to pinpoint a region from Iberia. I'd guess more Spanish than Portuguese though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeBrok View Post
    I'd say that your origin is definitely Iberian with 5 percent sub saharan African admixture. I have too few samples to pinpoint a region from Iberia. I'd guess more Spanish than Portuguese though.
    Thank you for the attention and courtesy of reply, Dr. LeBrok. What you say seems to confirm the impression that I had when I saw the results of the autosomal tests I did on MyHeritage and the Family Tree DNA-FTDNA.Now that I have the answer of an expert like you, my suspicious became an almost absolute assurance. Warm Greetings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Duarte View Post
    Thank you for the attention and courtesy of reply, Dr. LeBrok. What you say seems to confirm the impression that I had when I saw the results of the autosomal tests I did on MyHeritage and the Family Tree DNA-FTDNA.Now that I have the answer of an expert like you, my suspicious became an almost absolute assurance. Warm Greetings.
    Duarte
    If I remember your results and your account of your family history correctly, I was under the impression that the fact that some of the calculators estimated Spanish_Extremadura (that is, the westernmost part of Spain bordering Portugal) as the closest fit to your ancestry can just be a misleading consequence of the specific Portuguese + Spanish mix (did you say one of your female ancestors were from Andalucia?) that contributed to most of your genetic makeup. Is it perhaps possible that Extremadurans are kind of Portuguese-shifted in comparison with Castillians and Andalusians and therefore an Andalusian + Portuguese mixed person like you end up being closer to some western Spanish population? Do you know where exactly your Portuguese ancestors came from (I find it a hard task as the Portuguese immigrants came from everywhere in the country, unless your ancestry in Brazil is very recent and mostly unmixed with "old stock" Brazilians)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ygorcs View Post
    If I remember your results and your account of your family history correctly, I was under the impression that the fact that some of the calculators estimated Spanish_Extremadura (that is, the westernmost part of Spain bordering Portugal) as the closest fit to your ancestry can just be a misleading consequence of the specific Portuguese + Spanish mix (did you say one of your female ancestors were from Andalucia?) that contributed to most of your genetic makeup. Is it perhaps possible that Extremadurans are kind of Portuguese-shifted in comparison with Castillians and Andalusians and therefore an Andalusian + Portuguese mixed person like you end up being closer to some western Spanish population? Do you know where exactly your Portuguese ancestors came from (I find it a hard task as the Portuguese immigrants came from everywhere in the country, unless your ancestry in Brazil is very recent and mostly unmixed with "old stock" Brazilians)?
    Hello Yorcs,
    The ancestry of my maternal great-grandmother's family is certain. She is portuguese from the Minho Region, bordering Galicia.
    Her husband, my maternal great-grandfather, is son of Andaluzes.
    In this sense I estimate that my maternal grandmother was 50% Portuguese (from Minho) and 50% Spanish (Andalusian).
    My maternal grandfather is of colonial Portuguese origin (uncertain origin in Portugal). In the same way, the whole of my paternal family (uncertain origin in Portugal).
    From my paternal family, and from my maternal grandfather's family, probably, comes my SSA DNA (probably slaves of Yoruba origin comimg from State of Bahia to work in the gold mines of the State of Minas Gerais).
    Thanks by reply.

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    Me (French - Italian):

    Population Percent

    1 Mediterranean 31.3
    2 NE-Euro 30.63
    3 Caucasian 20.36
    4 SW-Asian 9.46
    5 Baloch 6.69
    6 Siberian 0.77
    7 S-Indian 0.6
    8 Pygmy 0.18

    Single Population Sharing:

    Population (source) Distance

    1 italian (hgdp) 7.14
    2 tuscan (hapmap) 9.67
    3 tuscan (hgdp) 9.87
    4 tuscan (1000genomes) 10.16

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    Primary Population (source)Secondary Population (source)Distance

    1 73.3% french (hgdp)+ 26.7% samaritian (behar) 1.76
    2 55.1% french (hgdp)+ 44.9% ashkenazy-jew (behar) 2.03
    3 61.2% french (hgdp)+ 38.8% sephardic-jew (behar) 2.18
    4 51.6% french (hgdp)+ 48.4% ashkenazi (harappa) 2.27
    5 50.4% british (1000genomes)+ 49.6% sephardic-jew (behar) 2.72
    6 51.8% utahn-white (1000genomes)+ 48.2% sephardic-jew (behar) 2.75

    4-ancestors oracle:

    Using 2 populations approximation:

    1 50% ashkenazi_harappa +50% french_hgdp 2.497094

    Using 3 populations approximation:

    1 50% ashkenazi_harappa +25% spaniard_1000genomes +25% utahn-white_hapmap 1.499977

    Using 4 populations approximation:
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    1 basque_hgdp + n-european_xing + romanian-a_behar + samaritian_behar 0.736129
    2 basque_hgdp + bulgarian_yunusbayev + samaritian_behar + utahn-white_hapmap 0.827741
    3 basque_hgdp + bulgarian_yunusbayev + n-european_xing + samaritian_behar 0.915656
    4 n-european_xing + romanian-a_behar + samaritian_behar + spain-basc_henn2012 0.999701
    5 bulgarian_yunusbayev + samaritian_behar + spain-basc_henn2012 + utahn-white_hapmap 1.020037

    My mother (French):

    Population Percent

    1 NE-Euro 45.55
    2 Mediterranean 32.97
    3 Caucasian 10.07
    4 Baloch 6.38
    5 SW-Asian 4.4
    6 E-African 0.25
    7 NE-Asian 0.13
    8 American 0.13
    9 Papuan 0.12

    Single Population Sharing:

    Population (source) Distance

    1 french (hgdp) 5.32
    2 utahn-white (1000genomes) 8.09
    3 n-european (xing) 8.58
    4 utahn-white (hapmap) 9.34

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance

    1 57.8% spaniard (1000genomes)+ 42.2% belorussian (behar) 1.26
    2 52.5% spaniard (1000genomes)+ 47.5% ukranian (yunusbayev) 2.23
    3 69.9% slovenian (xing)+ 30.1% spain-basc (henn2012) 2.38
    4 63.3% spaniard (1000genomes)+ 36.7% lithuanian (behar) 2.39

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    These are my results, I am Galician, northwestern Spain:

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    S-Indian 2.18
    Baloch 5.41
    Caucasian 15.84
    NE-Euro 30.64
    SE-Asian -
    Siberian -
    NE-Asian -
    Papuan 1.05
    American 0.35
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    Mediterranean 38.42
    SW-Asian 5.80
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    These are my results. I'm Andalusian. Western Andalusia.
    # Population Percent

    1 Mediterranean 40´53
    2 NE-Euro 33´16
    3 Caucasian 12´19
    4 Baloch 6´23
    5 SW-Asian 4´71
    6 E-African 1´37
    7 Siberian 0´81
    8 W-African 0´4
    9 San 0´39
    10 NE-Asian 0´17
    11 S-Indian 0´03


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    Thanks guys, it would be nice to have more samples from Spain. Anyone else?
    I have 7 from Portugal but only 2 from Spain, and already somewhat different than Spanish "default" in Harappa.

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    I just noticed how Basque samples, I have, are so much different than modern Spanish and Portuguese ones.

    Europeans # of samples S-Indian Baloch Caucasian NE-Euro SE-Asian Siberian NE-Asian Papuan American Beringian Mediterranean SW-Asian San E-African Pygmy W-African
    South France hrvclv 0 7 12 39 0 0 0 0 0 0 37 4 0 0 0 0 100
    Portugal 7 0 5 13 31 0 0 0 0 0 0 37 8 0 1 0 1 100
    Spain 2 1 6 14 32 0 0 0 1 0 0 39 5 0 1 0 0 100
    Basque 4 1 6 1 33 0 0 0 0 0 0 58 1 0 0 0 0 100
    Italy, NE 7 0 7 20 34 0 0 0 0 0 0 31 6 0 0 0 0 100


    Look at Caucasian and SW-Asian. Basque has almost nothing. I think the Basques hid away from some sort of Anatolian/Armenian/Caucasian migration of Late Bronze Age/Early Iron Age. Their Mediterranean is much higher. Spanish Late Neolithic sample had Mediterranean at 63 (highest in all Europe in place and time)
    Here is an average guy from Chalcolithic/Bronze Age Iberia:

    Average
    Spain Chalc/Bronze
    Run Time 7.57
    S-Indian -
    Baloch -
    Caucasian 4.80
    NE-Euro 26.53
    SE-Asian -
    Siberian -
    NE-Asian -
    Papuan -
    American -
    Beringian -
    Mediterranean 64.19
    SW-Asian 3.49
    San -
    E-African -
    Pygmy -
    W-African 0.79

    It is closer to modern Basque than to modern Spanish and Portuguese.
    Last edited by LeBrok; 10-02-19 at 04:32.

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    I've run samples through modeling and found the best fit for Modern Basque. It's pretty close, I took the average Bronze Age Iberian and mixed it with Bronze Age Steppe, sample from Samara 2000 BC, but it is similar to Sintashta and Andronovo. 70% of Iberian Bronze and 30% of Steppe Bronze.

    First column is for Bronze Age Spain, second for Steppe Bronze Age, third is for combining first two with proportions 7:3 (the calculated experimental values), and 4th is Real life modern Basque sample.
    As you can see that last two are very close, therefore the two components from Bronze Age and their proportions might be true.

    0.7 0.3
    Average M370663 I0419 Modeled Modern
    Spain Chalc/Bronze Samara, Potapovka, R1a-M417>Z93 2200-1900 BC Basque Basque
    Run Time 8 Run time 6 Run time Run Time
    S-Indian - S-Indian - S-Indian - S-Indian 1
    Baloch - Baloch 22 Baloch 7 Baloch 6
    Caucasian 5 Caucasian 1 Caucasian 4 Caucasian 1
    NE-Euro 27 NE-Euro 53 NE-Euro 34 NE-Euro 32
    SE-Asian - SE-Asian - SE-Asian - SE-Asian -
    Siberian - Siberian - Siberian - Siberian -
    NE-Asian - NE-Asian - NE-Asian - NE-Asian -
    Papuan - Papuan - Papuan - Papuan -
    American - American 0 American 0 American -
    Beringian - Beringian - Beringian - Beringian -
    Mediterranean 64 Mediterranean 24 Mediterranean 52 Mediterranean 56
    SW-Asian 3 SW-Asian - SW-Asian 2 SW-Asian 2
    San - San - San - San -
    E-African - E-African - E-African - E-African -
    Pygmy - Pygmy - Pygmy - Pygmy -
    W-African 1 W-African 0 W-African 1 W-African


    I'm also getting fairly close numbers if the Bronze Invasion came from Lusatian Culture, though half of Baloch is missing. Further on the list was Ireland Bronze and Unetice. So the best much is with Steppe Bronze, so far.

    I think that modern Basque might be a good proxy for Late Bronze Age and Early Iron Age Iberian. Same way as Sardinian person is a good proxy for Early Neolithic European.
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    How modern Spaniards and Portuguese came about.

    Let's assume that in Early/Mid Iron Age all Iberians looked genetically like today's Basques. The question is what genetic/migratory events produced today's Spaniards and Portuguese?

    I played with numbers for some time yesterday and this is the closest model I came with. It has a big chance to be right based on known historical events.

    There are 3 components:
    1. Early/Mid Iron Age Iberian/Basque like - 60%
    2. Modern South Italian/ Core of Roman Empire proxy - 30%. Possible genetic contribution of Roman Empire to Romanization of Iberian peninsula.
    3. Modern North German/ Germanic tribes proxy - 10%. Possible genetic contribution of Germanic Tribes, the Visigoths, Suevi and Vandals.

    4. Fourth column are the calculated values for hypothetical modeled Iberian.
    5. Last column is for real life average Spaniard.

    As we can see the last two columns are very similar giving validity to the model.


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    Iron Age proxy Average Modeled Modern
    Basque Italy, South North German Spanish Spanish
    Run time Total run time - Run time Run time Run Time
    S-Indian - S-Indian - S-Indian - S-Indian - S-Indian 1
    Baloch 7 Baloch 8 Baloch 9 Baloch 7 Baloch 6
    Caucasian 4 Caucasian 32 Caucasian 8 Caucasian 13 Caucasian 14
    NE-Euro 34 NE-Euro 17 NE-Euro 53 NE-Euro 31 NE-Euro 32
    SE-Asian - SE-Asian - SE-Asian - SE-Asian - SE-Asian -
    Siberian - Siberian - Siberian - Siberian - Siberian -
    NE-Asian - NE-Asian - NE-Asian - NE-Asian - NE-Asian -
    Papuan - Papuan - Papuan - Papuan - Papuan -
    American 0 American 0 American - American 0 American -
    Beringian - Beringian - Beringian - Beringian - Beringian -
    Mediterranean 52 Mediterranean 27 Mediterranean 27 Mediterranean 42 Mediterranean 39
    SW-Asian 2 SW-Asian 13 SW-Asian 1 SW-Asian 5 SW-Asian 5
    San 0 San 0.0175 San 0 San 0 San -
    E-African 0 E-African 1 E-African 0 E-African 0 E-African 1
    Pygmy 0 Pygmy 0 Pygmy 0 Pygmy - Pygmy -
    W-African 0.634 W-African 0.0775 W-African 0 W-African 0 W-African

    PS. Look at post above for Basque/Iron Age Iberian for compositions. And two posts above for Late Bronze Age Iberian.

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    Very interesting, but where 1% South Indian and 1% E-African came from in modern Iberians?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Davidtab View Post
    Very interesting, but where 1% South Indian and 1% E-African came from in modern Iberians?
    East African might be the Muslim/Arab invasion plus some noise level. It also pops up in South Italians and Malta. West African countries like Libya and Morocco have it at 10%.
    South Indian is probably all noise and it lingers in few European populations without historical connections. Everything around 1 percent and below could be treated as noise.

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    These are my results:

    1. NE-Euro 41.16
    2. Mediterranean 25.44
    3. W-African 11.41
    4. Caucasian 9.23
    5. Baluch 9.19
    6. American 1.11
    7. SW-Asian 1.05

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