HarappaWorld Gedmatch, post and compare your admixtures to ancient and contemporary.

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HarappaWord admixtures. Use Gedmatch calculator:
https://www.gedmatch.com
First upload your genome data file to Gedmatch, if you there for the first time.
Go to Analyze Your Data, then click on Admixture (heritage), then select HarappaWorld, continue, type your Kit Number in the window, and continue. In about 15 seconds you should see your results.

Latest results for Europe and Ancient samples.

Europeans# of samplesS-IndianBalochCaucasianNE-EuroSE-AsianSiberianNE-AsianPapuanAmericanBeringianMediterraneanSW-AsianSanE-AfricanPygmyW-African
Norway7094560300112500000
Sweden11085560000002810000
Ireland20124500000003300000
Scotland40106510000013100000
Wales30106500000103200000
England70107500000003200000
Holland-North40106540000002900000
Germany, North8098530000102710000
Germany, South20912430000003130000
Switzerland-French30815410000003140000
FrenchHarappa0910420000003620000
South Francehrvclv0712390000003740000
Portugal70513310000003780101
SpainHarappa1610310000004550100
Basque4161330000005810000
Italy, NE70720340000003160000
Italy, NW50620330000003460000
Italy, Tuscany40725280000003280000
Italy, South508321700000027130100
Sicily509321800000027120100
Malta707331500000026140101
Sardinia 500241600010049100000
Europeans# of samplesS-IndianBalochCaucasianNE-EuroSE-AsianSiberianNE-AsianPapuanAmericanBeringianMediterraneanSW-AsianSanE-AfricanPygmyW-African
Saami4130591183124500003
Finland6143710610011130000
Latvia5177650100001900000
Lithuania5187620001012010000
RussiaHarappa1413640300111300000
BelorussiaHarappa1510641100001610000
UkraineHarappa1612580100001720000
Poland30811561100002220000
Czechy3199520000102620000
Slovenia30715500100002430000
Croatia80717450100002440000
Bosnia20921410100102350000
Serbia10820400100102740000
Austria20715431000003040000
Hungary30915470100102520000
Romania50823351100002560000
Bulgaria50925340000002470000
Macedoniaselectivememri0625350100012570000
Albania170628290000002780000
Albania, Tosk70730250000002790000
Greece, Mainland50730260000002690000
Greece, Ionian209341800000026120000
Greek, Islands, East1309381500000023140000
Crete508391500100021140000
Cyprus411044610000020170000
Europeans# of samplesS-IndianBalochCaucasianNE-EuroSE-AsianSiberianNE-AsianPapuanAmericanBeringianMediterraneanSW-AsianSanE-AfricanPygmyW-African
Ashkenazi1107331600000025150100
Sephardi, Tunisia61733800000024220301
Turkey411544110430011190000
Armenia712052300000010130000
Georgia6021587010000560000
Lebanon701145200000015240100
Samaritans30745000000015310200
PalestineHarappa1739100000012310502
IranHarappa4274051211015130000
Europeans# of samplesS-IndianBalochCaucasianNE-EuroSE-AsianSiberianNE-AsianPapuanAmericanBeringianMediterraneanSW-AsianSanE-AfricanPygmyW-African
Ancient samples
WHG 78 1 21
SHG 90 1217
EHG 14 76 10
CHG 13451611 6
Iran Neolithic 66325 4 2
Levant BA 437 1 1245
Yamnaya 33756 21 1
Armenia BA 233919 1 11195 2
Anatolia LN 9486 279
Hungary LN 1917 568
Hungary BA 31546 323
Italy BA 11211 615 1
Spain MN 1911 5812
Spain LN 424 635 3
Unetice BA 16658 1 19
Ireland BA 113253 1 1 27 2
BellBeaker 11254 32
Hungary IA 151544 3 2 21
Sarmatian, IA 25651 4 2111
England IA 11650 131 1
Sweden IA 10 61 1 28 1
Andronovo, BA 121356 2 1114 1
Greece LN 03541 4413 3
Minoan, average 471 3913
Mycenaean, average 33913 369

Here are the source/ancient best matching populations of Harappa admixtures:

AdmixturesIranian Neolithic
10,000 Years Ago
CHG
13KYA
Natufian
13 KYA
EHG Samara
7.5 KYA
Anatolian EF
8 KYA
WHG
Hungary K01
7.5 KYA
EEF
Stuttgart
7.5 KYA
Yamnaya
Rise 522
4.5 KYA
Notes
S-Indian6.130.62
Baloch62.7136.6314.3333.24Ancient Central Asian, high in Early Iranian Farmer, also present in Steppe
Caucasian24.9754.1513.9837.6430.66.58CHG mostly
NE-Euro3.8471.080.8682.067.8256.02EHG, mostly WHG/ANE
SE-Asian0.59
Siberian0.77
NE-Asian
Papuan0.350.680.2
American6.892.46
Beringian1.70.75
Mediterranean27.3947.2417.4449.46Anatolian EF and WHG mix
SW-Asian3.8853.6214.0012.01Mostly Natufian
San0.180.11
E-African4.33
Pygmy0.25
W-African1.783.010.130.270.260.98
Some observation:
Baloch is maxed out in Iranian Neolithic population, and 1/3 in CHG. Interestingly it exists also in EHG. In EHG it didn't come from INF or CHG because EHG lacks Caucasian admixture. It must be ancient?
Caucasian is highest in Caucasian Hunter Gatherer, and spills over to Natufians and Iranian Early Farmers. But it didn't spill over Caucasus mountain to European Hunter Gatherer. This is rather surprising.
Caucasian admixture is seen first time on other side of Caucasus in Yamnaya sample. Proportions of Baloch and Caucasian in Yamnaya point of its mediation from Iranian Farmers and not from CHG.
South West Asian admixture is highest in Natufian, which is almost not found in CHG or Iranian farmer. This admixture can easily identify Natufian genes.
Mediterranean admixture is highest in Anatolia. It also in part Natufian and in part WHG as we can see it in Hungarian Hunter gatherer at almost 20% level.

Here are the links to ancient samples with Kit Numbers:
http://www.y-str.org/p/ancient-dna.html
http://forum.molgen.org/index.php?topic=8462.0
http://www.anthrogenica.com/archive/index.php/t-6947.html



Here is something very interesting, genomes of Kostenki and Mal'ta boy which are very connected to ancient populations of this region:

AdmixturesKostenki
Black Sea
36 KYA
Mal'ta boy
Siberia
24 KYA
Notes
S-Indian13.1810.13
Baloch12.4924.09Early Iranian Farmer admixture mostly
Caucasian0.000.00CHG mostly
NE-Euro29.0240.14EHG, SHG and most of WHG/ANE
SE-Asian4.28
Siberian1.75
NE-Asian
Papuan5.160.7
American3.3217.71
Beringian1.436.74
Mediterranean18.760.00Anatolian EF and WHG mix
SW-Asian5.890.00Mostly Natufian, high in semitic countries
San1.240.3
E-African1.82
Pygmy0.920.19
W-African0.73
Mal'ta contains only Baloch and NE Euro. Pretty much what was present in EHG, and likewise they miss Mediterranean and SW-Asian.
Kostenki lived north of Black Sea area though much earlier. It contains all the admixtures, even in relation to Natufians, but it is missing Caucasian admixture, same as Mal'ta boy. It seems that Caucasian admixture was a late arrival to the area. These two have even the connection to S-Indian but not to Caucasian!? Where did Caucasian come from? Perhaps it is a young admixture of secluded HGs in Caucasus mountains, separated from Baloch group.


EthnicityDatasetNC1C2C3C4C5C6C7C8C9C10C11C12C13C14C15C16
S IndianBalochCaucasianNE EuroSE AsianSiberianNE AsianPapuanAmericanBeringianMediterraneanSW AsianSanE AfricanPygmyW African
basquehgdp240%8%1%33%0%0%0%0%0%0%58%0%0%0%0%0%
belorussianbehar91%5%10%64%1%1%0%0%0%0%16%1%0%0%0%0%
bulgarianyunusbayev130%5%28%36%0%1%0%0%0%1%23%5%0%0%0%0%
cypriotbehar120%7%49%6%0%0%0%0%0%0%19%17%0%0%0%0%
finnish1000genomes1001%1%2%80%0%6%0%0%0%1%5%5%0%0%0%0%
frenchhgdp280%9%10%42%0%0%0%0%0%0%36%2%0%0%0%0%
hungarianbehar190%7%15%49%0%1%0%0%0%0%24%3%0%0%0%0%
italianhgdp130%5%22%29%0%0%0%0%0%0%37%6%0%0%0%0%
lithuanianbehar100%7%5%72%0%0%0%0%0%0%15%0%0%0%0%0%
romanian-abehar141%6%26%36%0%1%0%0%0%0%23%5%0%0%0%0%
russianbehar21%4%13%64%1%3%0%1%1%1%13%0%0%0%0%0%
sardinianhgdp280%0%20%12%0%0%0%0%0%0%60%7%0%0%0%0%
serbianharappa10%8%23%42%1%0%0%0%0%0%22%3%0%0%0%0%
slovenianxing251%6%15%51%0%0%0%0%0%0%23%3%0%0%0%0%
spaniardbehar120%7%11%32%0%0%0%0%0%0%44%5%0%0%0%0%
turk-istanbulhodoglugil201%16%45%11%1%3%3%0%0%1%11%9%0%0%0%0%
tuscan1000genomes110%6%29%24%0%0%0%0%0%0%32%8%0%0%0%0%
ukranianyunusbayev201%6%12%58%0%1%0%0%0%0%17%2%0%0%0%0%


PopulationS-IndianBalochCaucasianNE-EuroSE-AsianSiberianNE-AsianPapuanAmericanBeringianMediterraneanSW-AsianSanE-AfricanPygmyW-African
algeria0.462.322.820.530.320.360.140.250.190.5838.8830.200.4610.300.3411.83
assyrian0.2419.3751.671.190.050.090.370.420.150.268.1717.890.020.040.000.07
egypt1.022.5528.480.760.140.260.100.420.230.2516.6032.750.0811.300.544.53
egyptian0.263.0630.480.360.270.140.110.350.190.2912.8433.110.2612.420.155.69
iraqi-arab3.8018.7237.812.050.180.920.970.770.170.768.0321.890.482.330.570.56
iraqi-mandaean0.8420.1847.800.000.060.000.000.180.590.607.0822.210.000.450.000.00
jordanian0.599.4338.851.220.240.220.500.310.210.4311.8928.280.155.050.272.36
lebanese0.5410.8441.422.870.610.580.610.330.240.2113.0923.470.193.350.141.49
lebanese-christian0.369.8649.260.100.340.450.321.060.500.7211.6622.860.661.630.230.00
lebanese-druze0.7610.6549.860.350.440.460.201.270.471.0710.5820.740.541.930.510.17
lebanese-muslim0.9510.9845.291.550.350.980.441.080.651.1110.7120.830.663.160.600.67
libya0.451.0910.750.810.370.360.220.270.360.4726.5438.710.1010.730.368.40
moroccan0.900.303.710.580.070.200.080.210.190.0535.1332.210.0010.610.0215.75
morocco-n0.701.151.691.130.340.370.100.510.250.4946.2828.240.2910.200.058.20
morocco-s0.310.000.050.060.180.320.040.280.040.1736.3523.010.2612.530.4025.99
mozabite0.390.320.560.540.080.610.030.100.030.2639.5733.740.0110.070.0013.67
palestinian0.887.4039.301.030.260.140.100.350.190.1711.8131.000.234.700.192.26
saudi0.864.8926.181.160.160.160.160.220.300.163.3957.740.313.030.340.93
syrian1.7412.1841.072.970.280.460.210.220.190.4310.0725.360.192.640.261.73
yemenese2.447.8526.760.930.460.240.210.430.280.555.4035.590.338.241.448.85
ashkenazi0.875.3633.8719.330.480.490.630.160.190.2524.0013.600.140.460.150.03
ashkenazy-jew0.696.6134.4615.630.380.710.400.380.280.2824.1414.880.160.880.070.07
azerbaijan-jew0.9017.3453.581.420.300.430.000.190.400.288.0117.020.040.080.030.00
bene-israel-jew34.9326.1621.281.090.240.480.320.810.240.834.678.080.110.490.120.16
ethiopian-jew0.050.036.460.000.120.100.040.260.080.124.1035.352.6950.040.480.10
georgia-jew0.3415.8052.142.360.510.120.040.120.420.307.9619.420.000.460.000.00
iranian-jew0.4718.9349.600.000.500.200.330.150.190.227.0621.970.040.260.070.00
iraq-jew0.5417.2748.770.150.300.000.000.360.130.058.6523.570.020.170.020.00
morocco-jew0.866.3632.768.330.160.040.060.130.100.1527.5420.000.221.960.061.26
sephardic-jew0.796.6136.389.220.180.330.090.280.100.1525.6018.420.101.070.190.49
uzbekistan-jew1.4420.5946.033.990.220.420.160.700.290.257.4118.310.000.190.000.00
yemen-jew0.781.5335.810.030.150.070.000.270.140.125.8750.720.174.340.030.00


PopulationS-IndianBalochCaucasianNE-EuroSE-AsianSiberianNE-AsianPapuanAmericanBeringianMediterraneanSW-AsianSanE-AfricanPygmyW-African
abhkasian0.3318.4969.157.620.400.830.420.260.300.710.670.710.020.020.010.07
adygei0.5318.3856.6016.370.583.101.010.300.530.671.700.230.000.000.000.00
armenian0.4117.0757.295.350.100.290.160.260.220.238.2110.400.000.010.000.00
armenian2.1218.2546.353.320.130.720.921.630.070.6210.2914.550.570.350.110.00
armenian0.5217.6556.612.950.130.090.090.270.180.208.4012.910.000.000.000.00
azeri3.0319.7345.697.840.043.831.410.290.271.366.369.500.120.130.210.17
chechen0.1522.4451.0020.050.401.890.620.300.910.700.870.670.000.000.000.00
georgian0.2917.4671.976.380.120.330.230.320.240.371.101.160.020.000.000.00
georgian0.0519.9362.406.080.400.260.790.550.180.861.836.380.220.060.000.00
iranian3.9327.4238.804.140.470.950.520.390.340.484.9815.080.140.810.301.26
iranian3.6927.1440.665.330.541.801.490.650.391.115.1711.350.210.300.140.03
kumyk0.3821.2047.5016.160.573.732.850.360.670.612.823.120.000.000.030.00
kurd3.0125.6441.134.690.431.290.580.810.620.876.3813.370.380.550.240.00
kurd0.7527.9044.124.870.300.570.280.390.750.514.8613.940.120.320.130.19
kurd1.5626.5245.345.550.320.490.580.380.380.195.6712.810.090.050.070.00
lezgin0.0228.1546.6920.100.141.050.320.140.920.840.740.880.020.010.000.00
stalskoe0.0723.7140.7320.551.652.760.810.591.561.343.971.550.200.070.240.21
urkarah0.2727.9043.1724.080.451.050.000.391.100.900.110.290.060.060.120.05
north-ossetian0.2819.3545.4113.790.975.353.101.411.320.574.123.080.510.000.750.00
north-ossetian0.1018.4356.3814.710.273.912.920.390.551.141.080.100.010.010.000.00

Maximums in modern populations:
EthnicityDatasetS IndianBalochCaucasianNE EuroSE AsianSiberianNE AsianPapuanAmericanBeringianMediterraneanSW AsianSanE AfricanPygmyW African
paniyachaubey384%0%3%0%4%2%2%4%1%0%0%0%0%0%0%0%
brahuihgdp2512%58%12%2%1%0%0%1%0%0%2%10%0%1%0%1%
georgianbehar200%17%72%6%0%0%0%0%0%0%1%1%0%0%0%0%
finnish1000genomes1001%1%2%80%0%6%0%0%0%1%5%5%0%0%0%0%
ibanxing255%0%0%0%87%4%0%2%0%0%0%0%0%0%0%0%
nganassanrasmussen120%1%1%3%0%89%1%0%0%4%1%0%0%0%0%0%
japanese1000genomes70%0%0%0%0%1%99%0%0%0%0%0%0%0%0%0%
papuanhgdp170%0%0%0%0%0%0%100%0%0%0%0%0%0%0%0%
colombianhgdp70%0%0%0%0%0%0%0%100%0%0%0%0%0%0%0%
chukchirasmussen150%0%1%5%0%12%0%0%1%80%1%0%0%0%0%0%
sardinianhgdp280%0%20%12%0%0%0%0%0%0%60%7%0%0%0%0%
saudibehar201%5%26%1%0%0%0%0%0%0%3%58%0%3%0%1%
sanhgdp60%0%0%0%0%0%0%0%0%0%0%0%100%0%0%0%
gumuzpagani180%0%0%0%1%0%0%0%0%0%0%2%1%93%3%0%
mbutipygmyhgdp130%0%0%0%0%0%0%0%0%0%0%0%0%0%100%0%
yoruba1000genomes50%0%0%0%0%0%0%0%0%0%0%0%0%0%0%100%


https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1l87nGSIYTP-h7m-VKjB-BZcuEoWdz765nU4f_krOdd4/edit#gid=0
 
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Interesting Iran_Recent had elevated NE Euro and more Caucasian. Can you run Neolithic Iranian through this calculator?
Nothing special. In general Kurds from Northern Kurdistan (Turkish occupied) score also more 'Caucasian' and 'NE Euro' than me or Kurds from South East Kurdistan (Iran) in general.


Native Caucasian speakers (like Adygeans) have also more 'Caucasian' and 'NE Euro' than Iranians.


So, Iran_Recent is more shifted toward Caucasus, while Southern Kurds / modern Iranians are slightly more shifted toward the Iranian Plateau.
 
LeBrok said:
Interesting Iran_Recent had elevated NE Euro and more Caucasian. Can you run Neolithic Iranian through this calculator?

I couldn't find that Neolithic Iranian on GEDmatch, but I found the Chalcolithic one (kit number M124870):

HarappaWorld:

Admixture:Zoran:Arya:Goga:Irn1400s:IrnCopperAgeIrnNeolithic
Caucasian40,7940,8840,8445,4749,91?
Baloch27,9529,3327,8626,8937,82?
SW-Asian13,2914,9613,913,1310,88?
NE-Euro4,34,753,927,27-?
Mediterranean8,054,178,274,87-?
S-Indian2,993,712,231,231,05?
Siberian0,960,221,080,65-?
W-African---0,20,33?
SE-Asian-0,270,570,18-?
Beringian-0,26-0,12-?
NE-Asian-0,39---?
Papuan0,280,920,36--?
American0,67-0,98--?
San0,63----?
E-African0,070,14---?
Pygmy-----?
 
I couldn't find that Neolithic Iranian on GEDmatch, but I found the Chalcolithic one (kit number M124870):

HarappaWorld:

Admixture:Zoran:Arya:Goga:Irn1400s:IrnCopperAgeIrnNeolithic
Caucasian40,7940,8840,8445,4749,91?
Baloch27,9529,3327,8626,8937,82?
SW-Asian13,2914,9613,913,1310,88?
NE-Euro4,34,753,927,27-?
Mediterranean8,054,178,274,87-?
S-Indian2,993,712,231,231,05?
Siberian0,960,221,080,65-?
W-African---0,20,33?
SE-Asian-0,270,570,18-?
Beringian-0,26-0,12-?
NE-Asian-0,39---?
Papuan0,280,920,36--?
American0,67-0,98--?
San0,63----?
E-African0,070,14---?
Pygmy-----?
Wow, now it is getting interesting. Copper Age guy has fewer admixtures. He/she is of much "purer" origin. Mainly two sources, Caucasus and Baloch. Is Baloch same as Gedrosia?
Could it be run by something showing Yamnaya/Afansievo or Step admixtures?

NE Euro and Mediterranean is missing completely. When did it come to The middle East? Greek/Roman/Anatolian/Turkic conquests?
Half of Mediterranean admixture in this run could contain Semitic/Arabic admixture, and some in SW Asian I suppose.

It'd be interesting to check other guys from the area to see what was native and what came with Steppe invasion of IEs, or source of Gedrosia. Even to check if Steppe theory holds water.
Mesolithic guys from Iran, Caucasus and Yamnaya. Whoever they have in this calculator, please.
 
He already had almost 11% SW Asian, and modern people have only 13-15%.

It's the North East European and Mediterranean that he's missing. The North East European could have come with steppe people in the Bronze or even the Iron Age, and so could the little bit of Mediterranean as well perhaps. The Srubnaya, Andronovo type people were, what, 40% Middle Neolithic as well as EHG?
 
He already had almost 11% SW Asian, and modern people have only 13-15%.

It's the North East European and Mediterranean that he's missing. The North East European could have come with steppe people in the Bronze or even the Iron Age, and so could the little bit of Mediterranean as well perhaps. The Srubnaya, Andronovo type people were, what, 40% Middle Neolithic as well as EHG?
Good point angela NE European could have been connected to the Steppe admixture. In this case this copper age Iranian could have been Iranian Neolithic Farmer like before Steppe invasion.
 
I share 701 matching segments with RISE150 and 921 with BR2.

Numbers such as 701 - 921 matching segments seem to be a lot.

I made a similar comparison with ancient and modern Iranians:

Kit T637158 (Medieval Iranian) shares 758 segments with a modern Iranian.

Kit M124870 (Copper Age Iranian) shares 597 segments with a modern Iranian.

Finally, T637158 and M124870 share 380 matching segments with each other.

Criteria of comparison were the same in each case:

Minimum threshold size to be included in total = 25 SNPs
Mismatch-bunching Limit = 25 SNPs
Minimum segment cM to be included in total = 1.0 cM
 
It seems that there was a some kind of a migration from the Balkans into the western parts of the Iranian Plateau, and Aryans (West Iranian like the Medes and Persians) mixed a little bit with those people. Maybe from the Indo-European West Anatolians like the Hittites and Phrygia or something???


Y-DNA hg. I2a and E-V13 are not native to Iranian/Aryans otherwise there would be some Y-DNA hg. I2a and E-V13 in BMAC and SouthCentral Asia or even in India.
Has to be either from the Lydians who lived on the western side of the Aryan Medes or has to be from the East Iranized Scythians who lived just north of the first Aryan mighty Median Empire. Or both, from Lydians AND Scythians. Althought we have DNA of Alano-Sarmatians, but they were not I2a & E-V13, BUT J1, J2, G2a, R1a-Z93 which are very common among the modern day Aryan people (Kurds & Persians) of the western Iranian Plateau


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http://ancientworldlibrary.com/through-the-land-of-the-medes-april-3-5-2016
 
LeBrok, you have a lot of Hindu Kush as well, and your wife too.

Interesting, where did it come from? Why do we have so much?

How did Hindu Kush got to Poland? With Gypsies?

Check how much of "South India" do you have in HarappaWorld.

Someone with Gypsy ancestry should score a lot of South India.

On the other hand, "Hindu Kush" is more similar to "Baloch".

My results:

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LeBrok, you have a lot of Hindu Kush as well, and your wife too.

Interesting, where did it come from? Why do we have so much?



Check how much of "South India" do you have in HarappaWorld.

Someone with Gypsy ancestry should score a lot of South India.

On the other hand, "Hindu Kush" is more similar to "Baloch".

My results:

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Population
S-Indian0.62
Baloch7.47
Caucasian10.05
NE-Euro57.28
SE-Asian0.54
Siberian1.22
NE-Asian0.35
Papuan-
American-
Beringian0.07
Mediterranean21.53
SW-Asian0.86
San-
E-African-
Pygmy-
W-African-

Nothing extraordinary here, though I have bunch of many small admixtures. Some of my far ancestors have been around, lol.
 
This 0,62 South Indian is not enough for Gypsy ancestors. At least not anything recent.

Gypsies most probably have some "Hindu Kush", but they have even more of S-Indian.

It is too elevated to be explained with few Gypsies in Poland

Maybe it is from Armenians in Poland ???

You are from southern regions (Cracow and Galicia, right?) so maybe "Hindu Kush" is higher there.

Surprisingly, for a guy who loves HGs, your Farmer/Near Eastern is the highest, Tomenable. ;)

Maybe that's why I love HGs, lol. ;)

The "average" group of Poles was really high on WHG and Steppe and low on Farmer. I wonder what region they were from?

Perhaps from North-Eastern Poland? It is Davidski's calculator, so he probably chose the sample.
 
How do you check who from ancient samples they have in Gedmatch calculator? I would like to see Yamnaya folks, Afansievo, and Samara HGs in K15.
 
Maybe it is from Armenians in Poland ???

You are from southern regions (Cracow and Galicia, right?) so maybe "Hindu Kush" is higher there.
Armenians are also receivers and not donors of this component. Armenians don't have as much of the so called 'Gedrosia' "Hindu Kush" component as Iranians and native people of the Iranian Plateau.


from Dodecad K12b results Armenians score between 15 - 178 % of Gedrosian.


My Dodecad K12b results :


#PopulationPercent
1Caucasus37.76
2Gedrosia28.04
3Southwest_Asian14.71
4Atlantic_Med8.76
5North_European4.87
6South_Asian2.69
7Northwest_African1.76
8Siberian0.88
9Southeast_Asian0.32
10East_Asian0.21


from Spreadsheet for Dodecad K12b

PopulationGedrosiaSiberianNorthwest_AfricaSoutheast_AsiaAtlantic_MedNorth_EuropeSouth_AsiaEast_AfricaSouthwest_AsiaEast_AsiaCaucasusSub_Sahara
Armenian16.820.000.000.0010.313.000.000.0014.010.0055.860.00
Armenians15.800.000.000.009.804.500.200.009.900.0059.800.00
Armenians_1518.000.000.000.008.803.400.400.0013.700.0055.700.00
 
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HarappaWorld:
Added late Afanasevo Culture samples Rise 509, or (early Andronovo?).

Admixture:Zoran:Arya:Goga:Irn1400s:IrnCopperAgeAfansevo
Rise 509
Caucasian40,7940,8840,8445,4749,912.03
Baloch27,9529,3327,8626,8937,8229.56
SW-Asian13,2914,9613,913,1310,88-
NE-Euro4,34,753,927,27-63.24
Mediterranean8,054,178,274,87-1.89
S-Indian2,993,712,231,231,05-
Siberian0,960,221,080,65-1.64
W-African---0,20,330.72
SE-Asian-0,270,570,18--
Beringian-0,26-0,12-1.45
NE-Asian-0,39----
Papuan0,280,920,36---
American0,67-0,98--1.40
San0,63-----
E-African0,070,14----
Pygmy------

Interestingly Rise 509 has a lot of Baloch, but almost no Caucasian. Perhaps the Baloch is same as Early Neolithic Iranian Farmer, who migrated to the Steppe.
It has a lot of Euro at 63%. In this case, if Rise 509 is a good proxy of IE who invaded South, the ratio would need to be 1 invader to 9 locals. In order to leave only 7% of NE Euro in ancient Iranian (Iran1400).
 
HarappaWorld:
Added Catacomb Culture (post Yamanya) Rise 552, ~2000 BC, just North of Caucasus. It has more Caucasian and Baloch. I'm starting to think that Caucasian admixture in this run is the same as Anatolian/Levant Neolithic and Baloch is the Iranian Neolithic. NE European is all the WHG/ANE from hunter gatherers. Well, all very roughly counted, I should add.

Admixture:Zoran:Arya:Goga:Irn1400s:IrnCopperAgeAfansevo
Rise 509
Catacomb
Rise 552
Caucasian40,7940,8840,8445,4749,912.036.58
Baloch27,9529,3327,8626,8937,8229.5633.24
SW-Asian13,2914,9613,913,1310,88-
NE-Euro4,34,753,927,27-63.2456.02
Mediterranean8,054,178,274,87-1.89
S-Indian2,993,712,231,231,05-
Siberian0,960,221,080,65-1.64
W-African---0,20,330.720.95
SE-Asian-0,270,570,18--
Beringian-0,26-0,12-1.450.75
NE-Asian-0,39----
Papuan0,280,920,36---
American0,67-0,98--1.402.46
San0,63-----
E-African0,070,14----
Pygmy------
 
HarappaWorld:
Added mine and extra description.
Admixture:Zoran:Arya:Goga:Irn1400s:IrnCopperAgeAfansevo
Rise 509
Catacomb
Rise 552
Modern
Polish
Caucasian40,7940,8840,8445,4749,912.036.5810.05Part of EEF
Baloch27,9529,3327,8626,8937,8229.5633.247.47Iranian Neolithic
SW-Asian13,2914,9613,913,1310,88-0.86Semitic?
NE-Euro4,34,753,927,27-63.2456.0257.25EHG
Mediterranean8,054,178,274,87-1.8921.53Part of EEF
S-Indian2,993,712,231,231,05-0.62
Siberian0,960,221,080,65-1.641.22
W-African---0,20,330.720.95
SE-Asian-0,270,570,18--0.54
Beringian-0,26-0,12-1.450.750.07
NE-Asian-0,39----
Papuan0,280,920,36---
American0,67-0,98--1.402.46
San0,63-----
E-African0,070,14----
Pygmy------
 
HarappaWorld:
Added late Afanasevo Culture samples Rise 509, or (early Andronovo?).

Interestingly Rise 509 has a lot of Baloch, but almost no Caucasian. Perhaps the Baloch is same as Early Neolithic Iranian Farmer, who migrated to the Steppe.
It has a lot of Euro at 63%. In this case, if Rise 509 is a good proxy of IE who invaded South, the ratio would need to be 1 invader to 9 locals. In order to leave only 7% of NE Euro in ancient Iranian (Iran1400).
Nice try.


It was actually the other way around.


proto-East Iranians from proto-BMAC culture from SouthCentral Asia went to the Eastern Steppes and 'Iranized' the natives of the Andronovo horizon.



Caucasian and Baloch components were brought into the Yamnaya Horzion by PIE folks from Maykop/Leyla Tepe. Those PIE from Maykop/Leyla Tepe were folks with 2 main components: Caucasian and Baloch. Than Yamnaya invaded Europe and brought Baloch/Gedrosia component into Europe.


Afansevo can't be directly from Yamnaya Horizon (second stage of PIE) because there is not much of Caucasian auDNA there.


That means that there was a migration from the Iranian Plateau into the Steppes who Indo-Europized ( / Iranized ) native people of the Steppes.


By the time when Iranians from proto-BMAC invaded the Steppes, the Eastern Steppes were not Indo-European yet because there was not enough Caucasian auDNA yet, while in Yamnaya was a lot Caucasian auDNA.



Baloch components is true PIE and later even an Iranian (Aryan) component.
 
" Hints of a northward movement from the Southern Central Asian oases are also in Ferghana, a region rich in tin deposits, because there has been found a store of bronze and silver objects of southern origin (op. cit., pp.243-244). It is remarkable that Bactrian camels are among the animals bred in the Andronovo cultures succeeding Sintashta culture (they are dated 1800-1000 BC), and camels were domesticated in Turkmenistan at least in the first half of the 3rd millennium BC (see here); they had an Indo-Iranian name (*uštra-), which was borrowed into Finno-Ugric and Turkic languages. "

http://new-indology.blogspot.nl/2013/02/indo-iranians-new-perspectives.html
 
Nice.

It was the other way.

proto-East Iranians Iranians from proto-BMAC culture from South Central Asia went to the Eastern Steppes and 'Iranized' the natives of the Andronovo horizon.
We don't have genetic from this place, so lets not get ahead of ourselves.


Caucasian and Baloch components were brought into the Yamnaya Horzion by PIE from Maykop/Leyla Tepe. Those PIE from Maykop/Leyla Tepe were folks with 2 main components: Caucasian and Baloch.
Baloch yes, we see lots of it in the Steppe, but Caucasian is barely trickling. It look like Iranian Farmers were mostly Baloch admixtures went to the Steppe. Caucasian, which I'm guessing is like Levant Neolithic here, came later and slowly trickled down through Caucasus. Look at Rise samples, not much Caucasian there. It means that at the time farmers of Maykop crosse the mountains they had mostly Baloch admixture and nothing else.

Afansevo can't be directly from Yamnaya Horizon (second stage of PIE) becasue there is not much of Caucasian auDNA there.
Caucasian in this run is not Caucasian you expect. I think it must be Anatolian Neolithic, which came later to this area.


That means that there was a migration from the Iranian Plateau into the Steppes who Indo-Europized ( / Iranized ) native people of the Steppes.
There was, nobody can deny it. In this run it shows in Baloch admixture in steppe people.
 
HarappaWorld:
Added Sintashta, which is a better fit for Steppe invasion of South with their R1a Z-93 marker.
Admixture:Zoran:Arya:Goga:Irn1400s:IrnCopperAgeAfansevo
Rise 509
Sintashta
Rise 395
Modern
Polish
Caucasian40,7940,8840,8445,4749,912.030.0010.05Part of EEF
Baloch27,9529,3327,8626,8937,8229.5617.647.47Iranian Neolithic
SW-Asian13,2914,9613,913,1310,88-0.86Semitic?
NE-Euro4,34,753,927,27-63.2458.4457.25EHG
Mediterranean8,054,178,274,87-1.8923.0621.53Part of EEF
S-Indian2,993,712,231,231,05-0.62
Siberian0,960,221,080,65-1.641.22
W-African---0,20,330.720.82
SE-Asian-0,270,570,18--0.54
Beringian-0,26-0,12-1.450.07
NE-Asian-0,39----
Papuan0,280,920,36---
American0,67-0,98--1.40
San0,63-----
E-African0,070,14----
Pygmy------
 

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