GEDMatch HarappaWorld Gedmatch, post and compare your admixtures to ancient and contemporary.

[Duarte]

My HarappaWorld Gedmatch

#	Population	Percent
1	Mediterranean	39.04
2	NE-Euro	28.92
3	Caucasian	12.6
4	Baloch	5.63
5	SW-Asian	4.78
6	W-African	4.63
7	E-African	1.35
8	American	0.84
9	Pygmy	0.81
10	Papuan	0.72
11	NE-Asian	0.4
12	SE-Asian	0.3
13	S-Indian	-
14	Siberian	-
15	Beringian	-
16	San	-

I'm from the Southeast Region of Brazil, city of Belo Horizonte.

 

[LeBrok]

#	Population	Percent
1	Mediterranean	39.04
2	NE-Euro	28.92
3	Caucasian	12.6
4	Baloch	5.63
5	SW-Asian	4.78
6	W-African	4.63
7	E-African	1.35
8	American	0.84
9	Pygmy	0.81
10	Papuan	0.72
11	NE-Asian	0.4
12	SE-Asian	0.3
13	S-Indian	-
14	Siberian	-
15	Beringian	-
16	San	-

I'm from the Southeast Region of Brazil, city of Belo Horizonte.

I'd say that your origin is definitely Iberian with 5 percent sub saharan African admixture. I have too few samples to pinpoint a region from Iberia. I'd guess more Spanish than Portuguese though.

 

[Duarte]

I'd say that your origin is definitely Iberian with 5 percent sub saharan African admixture. I have too few samples to pinpoint a region from Iberia. I'd guess more Spanish than Portuguese though.

Thank you for the attention and courtesy of reply, Dr. LeBrok. What you say seems to confirm the impression that I had when I saw the results of the autosomal tests I did on MyHeritage and the Family Tree DNA-FTDNA.Now that I have the answer of an expert like you, my suspicious became an almost absolute assurance. Warm Greetings.
Duarte

 

[Ygorcs]

Thank you for the attention and courtesy of reply, Dr. LeBrok. What you say seems to confirm the impression that I had when I saw the results of the autosomal tests I did on MyHeritage and the Family Tree DNA-FTDNA.Now that I have the answer of an expert like you, my suspicious became an almost absolute assurance. Warm Greetings.
Duarte

If I remember your results and your account of your family history correctly, I was under the impression that the fact that some of the calculators estimated Spanish_Extremadura (that is, the westernmost part of Spain bordering Portugal) as the closest fit to your ancestry can just be a misleading consequence of the specific Portuguese + Spanish mix (did you say one of your female ancestors were from Andalucia?) that contributed to most of your genetic makeup. Is it perhaps possible that Extremadurans are kind of Portuguese-shifted in comparison with Castillians and Andalusians and therefore an Andalusian + Portuguese mixed person like you end up being closer to some western Spanish population? Do you know where exactly your Portuguese ancestors came from (I find it a hard task as the Portuguese immigrants came from everywhere in the country, unless your ancestry in Brazil is very recent and mostly unmixed with "old stock" Brazilians)?

 

[Duarte]

If I remember your results and your account of your family history correctly, I was under the impression that the fact that some of the calculators estimated Spanish_Extremadura (that is, the westernmost part of Spain bordering Portugal) as the closest fit to your ancestry can just be a misleading consequence of the specific Portuguese + Spanish mix (did you say one of your female ancestors were from Andalucia?) that contributed to most of your genetic makeup. Is it perhaps possible that Extremadurans are kind of Portuguese-shifted in comparison with Castillians and Andalusians and therefore an Andalusian + Portuguese mixed person like you end up being closer to some western Spanish population? Do you know where exactly your Portuguese ancestors came from (I find it a hard task as the Portuguese immigrants came from everywhere in the country, unless your ancestry in Brazil is very recent and mostly unmixed with "old stock" Brazilians)?

Hello Yorcs,
The ancestry of my maternal great-grandmother's family is certain. She is portuguese from the Minho Region, bordering Galicia.
Her husband, my maternal great-grandfather, is son of Andaluzes.
In this sense I estimate that my maternal grandmother was 50% Portuguese (from Minho) and 50% Spanish (Andalusian).
My maternal grandfather is of colonial Portuguese origin (uncertain origin in Portugal). In the same way, the whole of my paternal family (uncertain origin in Portugal).
From my paternal family, and from my maternal grandfather's family, probably, comes my SSA DNA (probably slaves of Yoruba origin comimg from State of Bahia to work in the gold mines of the State of Minas Gerais).
Thanks by reply.

 

[TardisBlue]

Me (French - Italian):

Population Percent

1 Mediterranean 31.3
2 NE-Euro 30.63
3 Caucasian 20.36
4 SW-Asian 9.46
5 Baloch 6.69
6 Siberian 0.77
7 S-Indian 0.6
8 Pygmy 0.18

Single Population Sharing:

Population (source) Distance

1 italian (hgdp) 7.14
2 tuscan (hapmap) 9.67
3 tuscan (hgdp) 9.87
4 tuscan (1000genomes) 10.16

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

Primary Population (source)Secondary Population (source)Distance

1 73.3% french (hgdp)+ 26.7% samaritian (behar) 1.76
2 55.1% french (hgdp)+ 44.9% ashkenazy-jew (behar) 2.03
3 61.2% french (hgdp)+ 38.8% sephardic-jew (behar) 2.18
4 51.6% french (hgdp)+ 48.4% ashkenazi (harappa) 2.27
5 50.4% british (1000genomes)+ 49.6% sephardic-jew (behar) 2.72
6 51.8% utahn-white (1000genomes)+ 48.2% sephardic-jew (behar) 2.75

4-ancestors oracle:

Using 2 populations approximation:

1 50% ashkenazi_harappa +50% french_hgdp 2.497094

Using 3 populations approximation:

1 50% ashkenazi_harappa +25% spaniard_1000genomes +25% utahn-white_hapmap 1.499977

Using 4 populations approximation:
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 basque_hgdp + n-european_xing + romanian-a_behar + samaritian_behar 0.736129
2 basque_hgdp + bulgarian_yunusbayev + samaritian_behar + utahn-white_hapmap 0.827741
3 basque_hgdp + bulgarian_yunusbayev + n-european_xing + samaritian_behar 0.915656
4 n-european_xing + romanian-a_behar + samaritian_behar + spain-basc_henn2012 0.999701
5 bulgarian_yunusbayev + samaritian_behar + spain-basc_henn2012 + utahn-white_hapmap 1.020037

My mother (French):

Population Percent

1 NE-Euro 45.55
2 Mediterranean 32.97
3 Caucasian 10.07
4 Baloch 6.38
5 SW-Asian 4.4
6 E-African 0.25
7 NE-Asian 0.13
8 American 0.13
9 Papuan 0.12

Single Population Sharing:

Population (source) Distance

1 french (hgdp) 5.32
2 utahn-white (1000genomes) 8.09
3 n-european (xing) 8.58
4 utahn-white (hapmap) 9.34

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance

1 57.8% spaniard (1000genomes)+ 42.2% belorussian (behar) 1.26
2 52.5% spaniard (1000genomes)+ 47.5% ukranian (yunusbayev) 2.23
3 69.9% slovenian (xing)+ 30.1% spain-basc (henn2012) 2.38
4 63.3% spaniard (1000genomes)+ 36.7% lithuanian (behar) 2.39

 

[Davidtab]

These are my results, I am Galician, northwestern Spain:

Population
S-Indian	2.18
Baloch	5.41
Caucasian	15.84
NE-Euro	30.64
SE-Asian	-
Siberian	-
NE-Asian	-
Papuan	1.05
American	0.35
Beringian	-
Mediterranean	38.42
SW-Asian	5.80
San	-
E-African	-
Pygmy	-
W-African	0.28

 

[Carlos]

These are my results. I'm Andalusian. Western Andalusia.
# Population Percent

1 Mediterranean 40´53
2 NE-Euro 33´16
3 Caucasian 12´19
4 Baloch 6´23
5 SW-Asian 4´71
6 E-African 1´37
7 Siberian 0´81
8 W-African 0´4
9 San 0´39
10 NE-Asian 0´17
11 S-Indian 0´03

 

[LeBrok]

Thanks guys, it would be nice to have more samples from Spain. Anyone else?
I have 7 from Portugal but only 2 from Spain, and already somewhat different than Spanish "default" in Harappa.

 

[LeBrok]

I just noticed how Basque samples, I have, are so much different than modern Spanish and Portuguese ones.

Europeans	# of samples	S-Indian	Baloch	Caucasian	NE-Euro	SE-Asian	Siberian	NE-Asian	Papuan	American	Beringian	Mediterranean	SW-Asian	San	E-African	Pygmy	W-African
South France	hrvclv	0	7	12	39	0	0	0	0	0	0	37	4	0	0	0	0	100
Portugal	7	0	5	13	31	0	0	0	0	0	0	37	8	0	1	0	1	100
Spain	2	1	6	14	32	0	0	0	1	0	0	39	5	0	1	0	0	100
Basque	4	1	6	1	33	0	0	0	0	0	0	58	1	0	0	0	0	100
Italy, NE	7	0	7	20	34	0	0	0	0	0	0	31	6	0	0	0	0	100

Look at Caucasian and SW-Asian. Basque has almost nothing. I think the Basques hid away from some sort of Anatolian/Armenian/Caucasian migration of Late Bronze Age/Early Iron Age. Their Mediterranean is much higher. Spanish Late Neolithic sample had Mediterranean at 63 (highest in all Europe in place and time)
Here is an average guy from Chalcolithic/Bronze Age Iberia:

Average
Spain	Chalc/Bronze
Run Time	7.57
S-Indian	-
Baloch	-
Caucasian	4.80
NE-Euro	26.53
SE-Asian	-
Siberian	-
NE-Asian	-
Papuan	-
American	-
Beringian	-
Mediterranean	64.19
SW-Asian	3.49
San	-
E-African	-
Pygmy	-
W-African	0.79

It is closer to modern Basque than to modern Spanish and Portuguese.

 

[LeBrok]

I've run samples through modeling and found the best fit for Modern Basque. It's pretty close, I took the average Bronze Age Iberian and mixed it with Bronze Age Steppe, sample from Samara 2000 BC, but it is similar to Sintashta and Andronovo. 70% of Iberian Bronze and 30% of Steppe Bronze.

First column is for Bronze Age Spain, second for Steppe Bronze Age, third is for combining first two with proportions 7:3 (the calculated experimental values), and 4th is Real life modern Basque sample.
As you can see that last two are very close, therefore the two components from Bronze Age and their proportions might be true.

	0.7			0.3
Average			M370663	I0419		Modeled			Modern
Spain	Chalc/Bronze	Samara, Potapovka, R1a-M417>Z93	2200-1900 BC	Basque			Basque
Run Time	8		Run time	6		Run time			Run Time
S-Indian	-		S-Indian	-		S-Indian	-		S-Indian	1
Baloch	-		Baloch	22		Baloch	7		Baloch	6
Caucasian	5		Caucasian	1		Caucasian	4		Caucasian	1
NE-Euro	27		NE-Euro	53		NE-Euro	34		NE-Euro	32
SE-Asian	-		SE-Asian	-		SE-Asian	-		SE-Asian	-
Siberian	-		Siberian	-		Siberian	-		Siberian	-
NE-Asian	-		NE-Asian	-		NE-Asian	-		NE-Asian	-
Papuan	-		Papuan	-		Papuan	-		Papuan	-
American	-		American	0		American	0		American	-
Beringian	-		Beringian	-		Beringian	-		Beringian	-
Mediterranean	64		Mediterranean	24		Mediterranean	52		Mediterranean	56
SW-Asian	3		SW-Asian	-		SW-Asian	2		SW-Asian	2
San	-		San	-		San	-		San	-
E-African	-		E-African	-		E-African	-		E-African	-
Pygmy	-		Pygmy	-		Pygmy	-		Pygmy	-
W-African	1		W-African	0		W-African	1		W-African

I'm also getting fairly close numbers if the Bronze Invasion came from Lusatian Culture, though half of Baloch is missing. Further on the list was Ireland Bronze and Unetice. So the best much is with Steppe Bronze, so far.

I think that modern Basque might be a good proxy for Late Bronze Age and Early Iron Age Iberian. Same way as Sardinian person is a good proxy for Early Neolithic European.

 

[LeBrok]

How modern Spaniards and Portuguese came about.

Let's assume that in Early/Mid Iron Age all Iberians looked genetically like today's Basques. The question is what genetic/migratory events produced today's Spaniards and Portuguese?

I played with numbers for some time yesterday and this is the closest model I came with. It has a big chance to be right based on known historical events.

There are 3 components:
1. Early/Mid Iron Age Iberian/Basque like - 60%
2. Modern South Italian/ Core of Roman Empire proxy - 30%. Possible genetic contribution of Roman Empire to Romanization of Iberian peninsula.
3. Modern North German/ Germanic tribes proxy - 10%. Possible genetic contribution of Germanic Tribes, the Visigoths, Suevi and Vandals.

4. Fourth column are the calculated values for hypothetical modeled Iberian.
5. Last column is for real life average Spaniard.

As we can see the last two columns are very similar giving validity to the model.

	0.6			0.3			0.1
Iron Age proxy		Average						Modeled			Modern
Basque			Italy, South		North German		Spanish			Spanish
Run time			Total run time	-		Run time			Run time			Run Time
S-Indian	-		S-Indian	-		S-Indian	-		S-Indian	-		S-Indian	1
Baloch	7		Baloch	8		Baloch	9		Baloch	7		Baloch	6
Caucasian	4		Caucasian	32		Caucasian	8		Caucasian	13		Caucasian	14
NE-Euro	34		NE-Euro	17		NE-Euro	53		NE-Euro	31		NE-Euro	32
SE-Asian	-		SE-Asian	-		SE-Asian	-		SE-Asian	-		SE-Asian	-
Siberian	-		Siberian	-		Siberian	-		Siberian	-		Siberian	-
NE-Asian	-		NE-Asian	-		NE-Asian	-		NE-Asian	-		NE-Asian	-
Papuan	-		Papuan	-		Papuan	-		Papuan	-		Papuan	-
American	0		American	0		American	-		American	0		American	-
Beringian	-		Beringian	-		Beringian	-		Beringian	-		Beringian	-
Mediterranean	52		Mediterranean	27		Mediterranean	27		Mediterranean	42		Mediterranean	39
SW-Asian	2		SW-Asian	13		SW-Asian	1		SW-Asian	5		SW-Asian	5
San	0		San	0.0175		San	0		San	0		San	-
E-African	0		E-African	1		E-African	0		E-African	0		E-African	1
Pygmy	0		Pygmy	0		Pygmy	0		Pygmy	-		Pygmy	-
W-African	0.634		W-African	0.0775		W-African	0		W-African	0		W-African

PS. Look at post above for Basque/Iron Age Iberian for compositions. And two posts above for Late Bronze Age Iberian.

 

[Davidtab]

Very interesting, but where 1% South Indian and 1% E-African came from in modern Iberians?

 

[LeBrok]

Very interesting, but where 1% South Indian and 1% E-African came from in modern Iberians?

East African might be the Muslim/Arab invasion plus some noise level. It also pops up in South Italians and Malta. West African countries like Libya and Morocco have it at 10%.
South Indian is probably all noise and it lingers in few European populations without historical connections. Everything around 1 percent and below could be treated as noise.

 

[Aspen]

These are my results:

1. NE-Euro 41.16
2. Mediterranean 25.44
3. W-African 11.41
4. Caucasian 9.23
5. Baluch 9.19
6. American 1.11
7. SW-Asian 1.05

 

[Armonia]

My results
I come from Tuscany - Italy

Baloch 7.10
Caucasian 23.81
NE-Euro 28.00
SE-Asian 0.76
Siberian 0.36
Papuan 0.98
American 0.13
Mediterranean 32.58
SW-Asian 6.07
Pygmy 0.21

 

[halfalp]

Actually i need to edit my latest post, because i saw something. So i just discovered the MDLP project K11 and i would want to know how it is really relatable? And how actually interprete the results?

 

[Duarte]

Let's assume that in Early/Mid Iron Age all Iberians looked genetically like today's Basques. The question is what genetic/migratory events produced today's Spaniards and Portuguese?

I played with numbers for some time yesterday and this is the closest model I came with. It has a big chance to be right based on known historical events.

There are 3 components:
1. Early/Mid Iron Age Iberian/Basque like - 60%
2. Modern South Italian/ Core of Roman Empire proxy - 30%. Possible genetic contribution of Roman Empire to Romanization of Iberian peninsula.
3. Modern North German/ Germanic tribes proxy - 10%. Possible genetic contribution of Germanic Tribes, the Visigoths, Suevi and Vandals.

4. Fourth column are the calculated values for hypothetical modeled Iberian.
5. Last column is for real life average Spaniard.

As we can see the last two columns are very similar giving validity to the model.

	0.6			0.3			0.1
Iron Age proxy		Average						Modeled			Modern
Basque			Italy, South		North German		Spanish			Spanish
Run time			Total run time	-		Run time			Run time			Run Time
S-Indian	-		S-Indian	-		S-Indian	-		S-Indian	-		S-Indian	1
Baloch	7		Baloch	8		Baloch	9		Baloch	7		Baloch	6
Caucasian	4		Caucasian	32		Caucasian	8		Caucasian	13		Caucasian	14
NE-Euro	34		NE-Euro	17		NE-Euro	53		NE-Euro	31		NE-Euro	32
SE-Asian	-		SE-Asian	-		SE-Asian	-		SE-Asian	-		SE-Asian	-
Siberian	-		Siberian	-		Siberian	-		Siberian	-		Siberian	-
NE-Asian	-		NE-Asian	-		NE-Asian	-		NE-Asian	-		NE-Asian	-
Papuan	-		Papuan	-		Papuan	-		Papuan	-		Papuan	-
American	0		American	0		American	-		American	0		American	-
Beringian	-		Beringian	-		Beringian	-		Beringian	-		Beringian	-
Mediterranean	52		Mediterranean	27		Mediterranean	27		Mediterranean	42		Mediterranean	39
SW-Asian	2		SW-Asian	13		SW-Asian	1		SW-Asian	5		SW-Asian	5
San	0		San	0.0175		San	0		San	0		San	-
E-African	0		E-African	1		E-African	0		E-African	0		E-African	1
Pygmy	0		Pygmy	0		Pygmy	0		Pygmy	-		Pygmy	-
W-African	0.634		W-African	0.0775		W-African	0		W-African	0		W-African

PS. Look at post above for Basque/Iron Age Iberian for compositions. And two posts above for Late Bronze Age Iberian.

Hello LeBrok.
First of all I would like to greet you for sharing the conclusions of your studies with all of us. In fact a valuable contribution to the understanding of the ethnic composition of the modern Iberian population. I have always shared the idea that the contribution of the Germanic peoples and the Romans had been significant for the formation of modern Iberians, contrary to the sense of many scholars. Their conclusions support this view.
I share with you my results of Oracle 4, obtained in the GEDmatch Eurogenes K13 (Using 4 populations approximation) calculator that are headed towards your conclusions.
Although my sample differs slightly from the average of the typical Iberians, since it contains 4.88% of SSA DNA, I believe that this does not affect the gradient of the results, which show, on average, 50% Basque, 25% Germanic and 25% of Tunisia or from other regions of the Maghreb (Algerian or Mozabite Berber). I believe that the displacement from southern Italy to Tunisia or other regions of the Maghreb is due to SSA DNA's greatest contribution to my overall ethnic composition.
However, we can not fail to consider that during the Roman period the area of ​​present-day Tunisia had a huge development. The economy, especially during the Roman Empire, thrived on account of agriculture. Called the "barn of the Empire", the area of ​​Tunisia and Tripolitania, according to one estimate, produced one million tons of grain per year, a quarter of what was exported by the Empire. Additional crops included beans, figs, grapes and other fruits. Roughly, I can consider this as a Roman contribution. LOL.
Greetings and congratulations for the conclusions.
Duarte.

Admix Results (sorted):

#	Population	Percent
1	North_Atlantic	37.44
2	West_Med	28.54
3	East_Med	11.17
4	Baltic	8.95
5	Sub-Saharan	4.88
6	West_Asian	2.32
7	Northeast_African	2.29
8	Red_Sea	1.67
9	Amerindian	1.42

[FONT=&quot]Using 1 population approximation:[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]1 Spanish_Extremadura @ 5.875919[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]2 Spanish_Andalucia @ 6.084557[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]3 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 6.363086[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]4 Spanish_Galicia @ 6.723697[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]5 Spanish_Murcia @ 6.738213[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]6 Portuguese @ 6.779630[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]7 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 6.817693[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]8 Spanish_Cantabria @ 6.959575[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]9 Spanish_Valencia @ 7.106572[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]10 Spanish_Cataluna @ 7.740384[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]11 Spanish_Aragon @ 8.586516[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]12 Southwest_French @ 9.309721[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]13 North_Italian @ 13.181855[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]14 French @ 14.848392[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]15 Tuscan @ 19.700567[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]16 French_Basque @ 19.831991[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]17 South_Dutch @ 21.213432[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]18 West_German @ 21.421259[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]19 Southeast_English @ 25.737713[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]20 Southwest_English @ 25.943127[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Using 2 populations approximation:[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]1 50% Spanish_Andalucia +50% Spanish_Galicia @ 5.562061[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Using 3 populations approximation:[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]1 50% French_Basque +25% Tunisian +25% West_German @ 4.243699

[/FONT][FONT=&quot]Using 4 populations approximation:[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]1 French_Basque + French_Basque + Tunisian + West_German @ 4.243699[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]2 Austrian + French_Basque + French_Basque + Mozabite_Berber @ 4.309890[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]3 French_Basque + French_Basque + Mozabite_Berber + West_German @ 4.334445[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]4 Austrian + French_Basque + French_Basque + Tunisian @ 4.384938[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]5 French_Basque + French_Basque + Hungarian + Mozabite_Berber @ 4.396873[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]6 French_Basque + French_Basque + Mozabite_Berber + Serbian @ 4.468435[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]7 French + French_Basque + Mozabite_Berber + Southwest_French @ 4.478426[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]8 French_Basque + Mozabite_Berber + Southwest_French + Spanish_Cataluna @ 4.521615[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]9 French_Basque + French_Basque + South_Dutch + Tunisian @ 4.522835[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]10 French + French_Basque + French_Basque + Tunisian @ 4.588130[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]11 East_German + French_Basque + French_Basque + Tunisian @ 4.598396[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]12 Algerian + Austrian + French_Basque + French_Basque @ 4.606368[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]13 East_German + French_Basque + French_Basque + Mozabite_Berber @ 4.606632[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]14 Algerian + French_Basque + French_Basque + West_German @ 4.647876[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]15 French_Basque + Mozabite_Berber + Southwest_French + Southwest_French @ 4.655926[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]16 French_Basque + Mozabite_Berber + South_Dutch + Southwest_French @ 4.658337[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]17 French_Basque + Mozabite_Berber + Southwest_French + West_German @ 4.662471[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]18 French_Basque + Southwest_French + Southwest_French + Tunisian @ 4.713262[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]19 French_Basque + French_Basque + Hungarian + Tunisian @ 4.717680[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]20 French + French_Basque + Mozabite_Berber + Spanish_Cantabria @ 4.717741[/FONT]

 

[Carlos]

My life has taken a 360 turn because it's late, there are trains that only pass once, I'm sorry, it's too late.

 

[LeBrok]

Hello LeBrok.
First of all I would like to greet you for sharing the conclusions of your studies with all of us. In fact a valuable contribution to the understanding of the ethnic composition of the modern Iberian population. I have always shared the idea that the contribution of the Germanic peoples and the Romans had been significant for the formation of modern Iberians, contrary to the sense of many scholars. Their conclusions support this view.
I share with you my results of Oracle 4, obtained in the GEDmatch Eurogenes K13 (Using 4 populations approximation) calculator that are headed towards your conclusions.
Although my sample differs slightly from the average of the typical Iberians, since it contains 4.88% of SSA DNA, I believe that this does not affect the gradient of the results, which show, on average, 50% Basque, 25% Germanic and 25% of Tunisia or from other regions of the Maghreb (Algerian or Mozabite Berber). I believe that the displacement from southern Italy to Tunisia or other regions of the Maghreb is due to SSA DNA's greatest contribution to my overall ethnic composition.
However, we can not fail to consider that during the Roman period the area of ​​present-day Tunisia had a huge development. The economy, especially during the Roman Empire, thrived on account of agriculture. Called the "barn of the Empire", the area of ​​Tunisia and Tripolitania, according to one estimate, produced one million tons of grain per year, a quarter of what was exported by the Empire. Additional crops included beans, figs, grapes and other fruits. Roughly, I can consider this as a Roman contribution. LOL.
Greetings and congratulations for the conclusions.
Duarte.

I'm glad you share my conclusion. I went where the numbers has lead me. With time and more samples we will know better.