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    Quote Originally Posted by Tomenable View Post


    How is it a "racist agenda" to say - for example - that Australian Aborigines are only about 90% human ???

    We already know that they have a lot of Denisovan admixture (in addition to Neanderthal admixture). This is also the case with Africans, by they way, since they have Non-Neanderthal archaic admixtures as has been proven recently. Archaic admixtures in Sub-Saharan Africa probably come from Iwo Eleru and similar Hominids, who survived until surprisingly recently in Central Africa:

    http://yorubaparapo.com/thread/393/e...olution?page=1

    http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2011/09...-features.html

    Australoids also have admixture from an Early Out-of-Africa group that got mostly wiped out by Neanderthals and by Toba eruption:

    http://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads...ion-90-000-ybp

    We all admixed with very different archaic species, and this is one (but not the sole) reason why modern humans can be divided into races (sub-species). Some of archaic genes were selected for and rose to high frequency in certain populations:

    The Upper Paleolithic "Cognitive-Behavioral Revolution" happened around 50,000 years ago. And there is no evidence that Sub-Saharan humans were also affected by that cognitive-behavioral change. Only those living in Northern Africa started developing more complex tools, while tools in Sub-Saharan Africa remained simple. So there is no evidence that Sub-Saharans are modern humans in a cognitive sense (they are anatomically modern, but not necessarily behaviorally modern to the same extent as Eurasians):

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Behavi...2Revolution.22

    Recently David Reich addressed this issue in his summary of the peopling of Europe and Eurasia.

    And if you watch his lecture you will notice, that he said: "maybe it also affected Sub-Saharan Africa":

    http://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads...tory-of-Europe

    This is all very politically incorrect, but you cannot continue to suppress this evolutionary truth forever.
    For the thousand times already. It is not about the differences between people and talking about them. It is foremost about your attitude towards them, and your feelings about them. This is what make you and others racists or not.
    Be wary of people who tend to glorify the past, underestimate the present, and demonize the future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gyms View Post
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    How is your depression recently? Feeling better to write your own thoughts, or so depressed you can only copy from internet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tomenable View Post
    In Pakistan alone at least 1000 women are stoned to death per year, according to official estimates:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...ill-happening/
    You seem to have a hard time properly deciphering the stats and sources you cite, perhaps that's why you remain so painfully ignorant. That article stated that 1,000 women die in HONOR KILLINGS annually, of which stonings and other brutal, inhumane acts are included. And that's heinous, but besides the point and off-topic. You're the one who derailed the thread with a straw man argument, as usual.

    You seriously need to focus on the plight of the people in your own country--things could be better for all of you. If you want to actually do some good and help, focus on that. Be a "warrior" for you own people. And don't worry, muslims and other immigrants are not dying to come to Poland. Not even Poles want to stay in Poland. So again, worry about how to get Poles to stay in your country and contribute to its betterment.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tomenable View Post
    Not everywhere, perhaps in Sweden:

    The richest and most powerful countries on the planet (Qatar, UAE, the USA, Canada, Switzerland, Norway, Germany, France, Sweden, Australia, etc...) are all diverse, inclusive nations. Any country that matters is relatively immigrant friendly or comprised primarily of immigrants. Interesting how not a single, largely homogeneous Eastern European nation makes the top 25 for richest nation, or even comes close to it. You honestly need to relax. Immigrants have no interest in where you are. It seems no one does.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tomenable View Post
    Turks should have voting rights in their own country, but they apparently prefer Erdogan's dictatorship.
    It says "weird things which can't discribe how to happen"

    fazil-say-2.jpg

    These things happened, is happening and will happen

    and including Poland

    The dismantling of Poland's democracy
    http://www.dw.com/en/opinion-the-dis...acy/a-19490004

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tomenable View Post
    By contrast this is the truth, genetic facts suggest that the POCs are not oppressed:

    Herregud, please stop with these bigoted, asinine, idiotic, juvenile videos--again, if this is where you get your information from, that explains a lot about why you evidently know so little.

    You seem to be so preoccupied with IQ tests and its effects on certain populations and yet you belong to a population that has been on the losing end for over a millennia; so how has IQ impacted your lot in life?

    First of all, IQ tests, which have been historically rendered in hapless and problematic ways, tend to

    1.) not encompass the full breadth of one's intelligence, which involves more than reading comprehension skills or math, and usually ignores creativity, spacial, social and auditory intelligence. And "something" tells me that though you may have some ability with numbers and figures, your creativity and social intelligence is sorely lacking.

    2.) Moreover, they tend not to take into consideration the language, socioeconomic, cultural and personality differences that can lead to the underestimation of one's actual intelligence. These factors make IQ tests imperfect predictors of one's potential. Notwithstanding the fact that there are people with high IQs who do absolutely nothing with their lives and then there are those with lower IQs who become quite successful. During one of my stays in Poland, I met some African-American basketball players (who had done moderately well in school and academics but weren't geniuses) that they were living FAR better than the majority of white Poles. How interesting.

    I believe that there are environmental and genetic influences in IQ at an individual level, and the proportions are debatable, but at a population level, they are explained entirely by environmental factors, which makes it ridiculous and absurd to compare populations--plebeians like you refuse to grasp this fact. The gap between black American and White American IQs is ever closing as they are being exposed to greater education and higher standards of living. Early in the 20th century Ashkenazi Jewish IQs in the US were below average; not they are above average. In the 1960s Asian American IQs were below average, now they are above average. Virtually all serious IQ theorists acknowledge there is no point in comparing IQ scores of different populations because these differences are entirely the result of environmental difference--basically exposure to abstract logic and the scientific way of viewing the world. If tested on today’s IQ tests, Americans of 100 years ago would have average IQs of below 70. They haven’t changed genetically in a century. The reason relates to exposure to abstraction.

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    Wanderlust,

    If tested on today’s IQ tests, Americans of 100 years ago would have average IQs of below 70. They haven’t changed genetically in a century. The reason relates to exposure to abstraction.
    This is what James Flynn has claimed (and it has been called "the Flynn Effect").

    But it is a rather bogus argument and Linda Gottfredson ( http://www1.udel.edu/educ/gottfredson/ ) explained why.

    Gottfredson is the President of the "International Society for Intelligence Research", so she is definitely a reliable source when it comes to IQ-related matters. That's why I recommend this discussion betwen Gottfredson and Molyneux, she explains a lot here:



    you belong to a population that has been on the losing end for over a millennia
    So were for example European Jews, and as you can see this boosted their IQ.

    Harsh eugenic conditions (i.e. when only the smartest can survive) boost IQ.
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    Wanderlust,

    Have you at least bothered to take a look at Daivde Piffer's data that I linked before?

    It is actually quite optimistic - at least for Africa, India, Latin America and Vietnam:

    https://s18.postimg.org/4kaqg7ik9/Piffer_Graph.png



    https://s12.postimg.org/8v77d7wnh/Piffer_Table.png



    at a population level, they are explained entirely by environmental factors
    It is a ridiculous claim. Frequencies of alleles correlated with intelligence differ between populations.

    However, environmental factors are dumbing down some populations, as Piffer's data above shows.

    But as you can see, African-Americans in the USA are not one of these disadvantaged populations.

    The richest and most powerful countries on the planet (Qatar, UAE, the USA, Canada, Switzerland, Norway, Germany, France, Sweden, Australia, etc...) are all diverse, inclusive nations.
    They became rich and powerful several decades ago, when they were still ethnically homogeneous.

    Only recently they are becoming diverse, and this is because rich countries are immigration and welfare magnets.

    But your country is not rich thanks to immigrants - it was made rich by White Swedes, before 1970.

    The gap between black American and White American IQs is ever closing as they are being exposed to greater education and higher standards of living. Early in the 20th century Ashkenazi Jewish IQs in the US were below average; not they are above average. In the 1960s Asian American IQs were below average, now they are above average.
    Sources, please.

    2.) Moreover, they tend not to take into consideration the language, socioeconomic, cultural and personality differences that can lead to the underestimation of one's actual intelligence. These factors make IQ tests imperfect predictors of one's potential.
    There exist also culturally neutral IQ tests, AFAIK.

    Notwithstanding the fact that there are people with high IQs who do absolutely nothing with their lives and then there are those with lower IQs who become quite successful.
    Of course - did I ever claim that it is not the case ???

    That said, having a high IQ is surely an advantage.

    1.) not encompass the full breadth of one's intelligence, which involves more than reading comprehension skills or math, and usually ignores creativity, spacial, social and auditory intelligence.
    AFAIK, IQ tests measure the "general intelligence" (so called "g" factor), which is defined as:

    "The ability to perceive, comprehend, and reason" (and AFAIK this includes things such as: short-term memory, learning speed, the ability to embrace a given subject, to process and understand information, to think flexibly and solve problems, to imagine objects in space and think about their position in relation to each other, as well as mathematical skills).

    So spacial-visual intelligence is being measured by IQ tests as well, I think. Not sure about auditory intelligence.

    As for social and emotional intelligence - it is something different, and EQ tests measure it.

    How do you want to measure creativity ???

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wanderlust View Post
    You seem to have a hard time properly deciphering the stats and sources you cite, perhaps that's why you remain so painfully ignorant. That article stated that 1,000 women die in HONOR KILLINGS annually, of which stonings and other brutal, inhumane acts are included. And that's heinous, but besides the point and off-topic. You're the one who derailed the thread with a straw man argument, as usual.

    You seriously need to focus on the plight of the people in your own country--things could be better for all of you. If you want to actually do some good and help, focus on that. Be a "warrior" for you own people. And don't worry, muslims and other immigrants are not dying to come to Poland. Not even Poles want to stay in Poland. So again, worry about how to get Poles to stay in your country and contribute to its betterment.



    The richest and most powerful countries on the planet (Qatar, UAE, the USA, Canada, Switzerland, Norway, Germany, France, Sweden, Australia, etc...) are all diverse, inclusive nations. Any country that matters is relatively immigrant friendly or comprised primarily of immigrants. Interesting how not a single, largely homogeneous Eastern European nation makes the top 25 for richest nation, or even comes close to it. You honestly need to relax. Immigrants have no interest in where you are. It seems no one does.
    How do you explain Finland?

    Qatar and UAE are the first in your list, why?
    They are wealthy because they pump oil and gas, later also invested that loose money.
    They have not actually created anything of value, both are big financial supporters of global jihad in the state and private level and can be classified as organised crime run by former camel caravan raiders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ukko View Post
    How do you explain Finland?

    Qatar and UAE are the first in your list, why?
    They are wealthy because they pump oil and gas, later also invested that loose money.
    They have not actually created anything of value,
    Hmmm, 10 million barrels of oil a day doesn't have value?! I'll be damned. Next time I will demand gasoline for free in my gas station.
    Did you notice that you managed to contradict yourself in span of two sentences?


    both are big financial supporters of global jihad in the state and private level and can be classified as organised crime run by former camel caravan raiders.
    And it is coming from a reindeer raider.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wanderlust
    creativity
    OK, Africans have creativity:



    It's a funny parody of action movies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeBrok View Post
    Hmmm, 10 million barrels of oil a day doesn't have value?! I'll be damned. Next time I will demand gasoline for free in my gas station.
    Did you notice that you managed to contradict yourself in span of two sentences?


    And it is coming from a reindeer raider.
    Pumping and selling crude oil that was formed million of years ago, trough an legalized cartel (OPEC), is really grasping at straws if you want claim they created the wealth by their own innovations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ukko View Post
    Pumping and selling crude oil that was formed million of years ago, trough an legalized cartel (OPEC), is really grasping at straws if you want claim they created the wealth by their own innovations.
    Are you sure there are no UAE or Saudis companies ever inventing anything if it comes to oil? Regardless, you and I, didn't invent anything but surely helped to produce GDP with someone else's tools.

    Pumping and selling crude oil that was formed million of years ago, trough an legalized cartel
    How is Finnish lumber production going? Did you invent wood, an axe or a saw? Yet, eagerly chopping what mother nature gave the world to make a buck. How is the fishing industry? Should we call it industry or nightmare of the sea?
    I hope you get my point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeBrok View Post
    How is your depression recently? Feeling better to write your own thoughts, or so depressed you can only copy from internet?
    The so-called typical "attacking a straw man" argument creates the illusion of having completely refuted or defeated an opponent's proposition by covertly replacing it with a different proposition (i.e. "stand up a straw man") and then refuting that false argument ("knock down a straw man") instead of the original proposition.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LeBrok View Post
    Are you sure there are no UAE or Saudis companies ever inventing anything if it comes to oil? Regardless, you and I, didn't invent anything but surely helped to produce GDP with someone else's tools.

    How is Finnish lumber production going? Did you invent wood, an axe or a saw? Yet, eagerly chopping what mother nature gave the world to make a buck. How is the fishing industry? Should we call it industry or nightmare of the sea?
    I hope you get my point.
    a bit of seriousness please

    there is no comparison between Arabic oilproducing economies who indeed are fully dependant on oil and the diversifiated Finnish economy

    not to mention the situation of slavery for many workers from Pakistan and Thailand who are employed in Arabia

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    Quote Originally Posted by bicicleur View Post
    a bit of seriousness please

    there is no comparison between Arabic oilproducing economies who indeed are fully dependant on oil and the diversifiated Finnish economy

    not to mention the situation of slavery for many workers from Pakistan and Thailand who are employed in Arabia
    Do you have any idea what was the issue here? It is good to know before barging here with your strawman arguments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gyms View Post
    The so-called typical "attacking a straw man" argument creates the illusion of having completely refuted or defeated an opponent's proposition by covertly replacing it with a different proposition (i.e. "stand up a straw man") and then refuting that false argument ("knock down a straw man") instead of the original proposition.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man
    Any independent thoughts in your head or just two actions left copy and paste? Every time I'm trying to have conversation with you, you only copy and past stuff of other's creation. I don't want to argue with wikipedia.
    Do you have any other interests or just the end of the world depressing thoughts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeBrok View Post
    Any independent thoughts in your head or just two actions left copy and paste? Every time I'm trying to have conversation with you, you only copy and past stuff of other's creation. I don't want to argue with wikipedia.
    Do you have any other interests or just the end of the world depressing thoughts?
    The Master suppression techniques is a framework articulated in 1945 by the Norwegian psychologist and philosopher Ingjald Nissen.[1] These techniques identified by Nissen are ways to indirectly suppress and humiliate opponents.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeBrok View Post
    Do you have any idea what was the issue here? It is good to know before barging here with your strawman arguments.
    nope, I just read the latest posts and the invalidity of the comparison was striking

    I check this site for archeogenetics.
    As there is no spectacular news on that front lately, I sometimes read some of the other chit-chat, but not all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeBrok View Post
    Are you sure there are no UAE or Saudis companies ever inventing anything if it comes to oil? Regardless, you and I, didn't invent anything but surely helped to produce GDP with someone else's tools.

    How is Finnish lumber production going? Did you invent wood, an axe or a saw? Yet, eagerly chopping what mother nature gave the world to make a buck. How is the fishing industry? Should we call it industry or nightmare of the sea?
    I hope you get my point.
    They are refining only a small amount of their production, do tell if they invented something?

    Finns have one of the best forestry sectors in the world, first you have to make the forests produce in an renewable way, then have the logistics to collect it.
    Also most of the wood is processed in to products in Finland and then sold to the world market, if anyone can do it then many more countries should be making money from it.

    Part of the forest cluster are also the high tech companies making equipment and machinery for the industry and selling their innovations to the world.



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    This off-topic digression has gone on long enough. The topic is the abortion ban in Poland.

    Stick to it, or there will be consequences.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ukko View Post
    They are refining only a small amount of their production, do tell if they invented something?
    You came up with a claim that they didn't. I said you better make sure. Did you? The proof always lies on claimant.
    Now you want me to do the job?

    Finns have one of the best forestry sectors in the world, first you have to make the forests produce in an renewable way, then have the logistics to collect it.
    Also most of the wood is processed in to products in Finland and then sold to the world market, if anyone can do it then many more countries should be making money from it.

    Part of the forest cluster are also the high tech companies making equipment and machinery for the industry and selling their innovations to the world.
    And you managed to miss the point. Which was that oil production as well as forestry is part of production and services and part of GDP. Remember? Now you spamming this thread with finnish wood products in some patriotic rage.

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