Wacky news Swedish city Lund wants to acomodate Syrian ISIS fighters

I understand your anger about this. I really do. Some people in my area of Italy spent sixty years pursuing a case against some SS members who committed atrocities here in World War II. We won the case, but it was a pyrrhic victory: the German government blocked extradition for so long that most of them died without paying any price at all, having lived out a normal life span with their families while our family members were taken from us too soon and after great suffering.

There has to be punishment or there is no deterrence.

I was speaking mainly in general terms about whether or not there should be attempts to rehabilitate prisoners while they are confined.

If this prosecutor is proposing that former ISIS members of whom it is known that they committed atrocities, or who were present in the ranks of that group for long enough that there is a presumption of that type of involvement, be allowed to return and released unsupervised (and with full benefits) into the general population, she should be removed from office.

I think any government is within its rights to refuse re-entry. Let them stay in Syria or Iraq and meet their fate.

I hope that she was speaking about some of the young people who went to the Near East and quickly repented and came back. Even then, their return agreement should require they spend time in a supervised environment for deprogramming and psychiatric help. When released they should be kept under surveillance.

I'd also add that there are indeed people who can't be rehabilitated, and the people who make decisions about sentencing, parole, etc., have to be hard eyed realists not naive idealists.

I think refusing re-entry to ISIS fighters is a good idea.
But most of them leave anonymous to Turkey and there they cross the boarder.
Most of them return anonymous. Some of them got 'fame' over there and they come back as refugee, with another identity.
What exactly they did over there, we don't know. What we know, they volunteered for an organisation with the purpose of terrorising and killing other people. We know what's in the mind of these people and to what ideology they adhere.
I don't know the details of the plan of this lady who is responsable for the integration of Jihady fighters. She wants to offer free housing, I don't think prison or any other punishment is involved. I don't think she has the right to speak or decide in the name of the victims of ISIS.
I don't know if serious and decisive studies have been done about rehabilitation.
I think we don't know whether it works or not. There are not even reliable statistics to compare crime rates between two countries, because in every country statistics are made diffenently.
If we should believe statistics, Sweden has a very big problem with rape, compared to other countries, but I don't believe that is the case.
I guess rehabilitation can work for small criminals who act out of necessity or impulse or lost chances.
But I doubt it can work for people who make the free choice to join organistations like ISIS.
I'm afraid rehabilitation programs involve a lot of improvisation and wishful thinking.
It certainly seems the case with this lady who seems to have gotten some kind of political mandate without the proper competences but very biased by ideology.
That is at least the impression I get when I read this article.
 
Alcoholism and suicides are down and still going down, they where mainly related to the urbanization of the country in one generation, basically a jump from the iron age in to an developed nation, some cant keep up as fast.

But many Finns do have a different attitude towards violence and it is generally an accepted method for personal disputes, they view Swedes as soft, Finns are soft compared to Estonians etc.

Sweden has problems with socialist policies in immigration and other issues that are much larger in scale than anything we have in Finland.

Have fun with your "soft touch" policies, I dont consider you sane for stating that you support them in any shape or form.

lol Why would I care what you think? Swedes tend to think that Finns are primitive, pseudo-mongoloid drunks who smell bad and talk funny. My personal views on Finns are more balanced but unfortunately the same can't be said for many of my compatriots.

I know that Finns and many in the East see us as being "weak" and "soft" but just remember that Swedes were the ones raiding, trading with and colonizing the known world at the time, Finland included--we've been interacting with Muslims for over a thousand years, when their societies were the "dominant" ones. By nature, we are not a scared people; we have taken risks and were rewarded for it--I'm proud of this.

Having been "aggressors" for much of our history (like many other European nations), Swedes have learned new methods of interfacing with the rest of the world. "Civilization" and "evolution" can do that for a people. As our quality of life has risen, our social consciousness has with it. Finland was a subjugated, very poor country for much of its history and perhaps the epigenetic memories of this have not yet been wiped from your genes.

But when some gain power (particularly the formerly subjugated I tend to notice), they seem to become revisionists and denialists and conveniently forget where they've come from, perhaps as a means of reducing/mitigating shame--this is why I think everyone needs a reminder every now and again. It's a particular pet peeve of mine when people who have served as an oppressed underclass turn around and seek to denigrate and oppress others with no sense of irony. Times have changed--some of us are more reluctant to resort to the primitive ways that once terrorized the world (Finland included). We are trying to be better than our "enemies," not crush them under our feet. It actually takes greater strength to keep one's sword sheathed.
 
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lol Why would I care what you think? Swedes tend to think that Finns are primitive, pseudo-mongoloid drunks who smell bad and talk funny. My personal views on Finns are more balanced but unfortunately the same can't be said for many of my compatriots.

I know that Finns and many in the East see us as being "weak" and "soft" but just remember that Swedes were the ones raiding, trading with and colonizing the known world at the time, Finland included--we've been interacting with Muslims for over a thousand years, when their societies were the "dominant" ones. By nature, we are not a scared people; we have taken risks and were rewarded for it--I'm proud of this.

Having been "aggressors" for much of our history (like many other European nations), Swedes have learned new methods of interfacing with the rest of the world. "Civilization" and "evolution" can do that for a people. As our quality of life has risen, our social consciousness has with it. Finland was a subjugated, very poor country for much of its history and perhaps the epigenetic memories of this have not yet been wiped from your genes.

But when some gain power (particularly the formerly subjugated I tend to notice), they seem to become revisionists and denialists and conveniently forget where they've come from, perhaps as a means of reducing/mitigating shame--this is why I think everyone needs a reminder every now and again. It's a particular pet peeve of mine when people who have served as an oppressed underclass turn around and seek to denigrate and oppress others with no sense of irony. Times have changed--some of us are more reluctant to resort to the primitive ways that once terrorized the world (Finland included). We are trying to be better than our "enemies," not crush them under our feet. It actually takes greater strength to keep one's sword sheathed.


Your knowledge of history is severely lacking, you live in an fantasy world. :LOL:

I doubt your claim you have ever even visited Finland, where have these hunting trips taken place?

I will categorically destroy your claims one at a time if I have time this weekend. (y)

Sweden is a dying nation, your genes and culture will disappear from this planet, you can be in denial about is but that is a statistical fact.
 
But when some gain power (particularly the formerly subjugated I tend to notice), they seem to become revisionists and denialists and conveniently forget where they've come from, perhaps as a means of reducing/mitigating shame--this is why I think everyone needs a reminder every now and again. It's a particular pet peeve of mine when people who have served as an oppressed underclass turn around and seek to denigrate and oppress others with no sense of irony. Times have changed--some of us are more reluctant to resort to the primitive ways that once terrorized the world (Finland included). We are trying to be better than our "enemies," not crush them under our feet. It actually takes greater strength to keep one's sword sheathed.
Definitely there is something too it. I think oppression pushes oppressed people into a defensive mode, that includes hypernationalism. This one is known to overblow self value and degrade "the others". From thinking of themselves as special and chosen by God, to something benign like jokes, where the others are always the stupid ones.
 
I think refusing re-entry to ISIS fighters is a good idea.
But most of them leave anonymous to Turkey and there they cross the boarder.
Most of them return anonymous. Some of them got 'fame' over there and they come back as refugee, with another identity.
What exactly they did over there, we don't know. What we know, they volunteered for an organisation with the purpose of terrorising and killing other people. We know what's in the mind of these people and to what ideology they adhere.
I don't know the details of the plan of this lady who is responsable for the integration of Jihady fighters. She wants to offer free housing, I don't think prison or any other punishment is involved. I don't think she has the right to speak or decide in the name of the victims of ISIS.
I don't know if serious and decisive studies have been done about rehabilitation.
I think we don't know whether it works or not. There are not even reliable statistics to compare crime rates between two countries, because in every country statistics are made diffenently.
If we should believe statistics, Sweden has a very big problem with rape, compared to other countries, but I don't believe that is the case.
I guess rehabilitation can work for small criminals who act out of necessity or impulse or lost chances.
But I doubt it can work for people who make the free choice to join organistations like ISIS.

I'm afraid rehabilitation programs involve a lot of improvisation and wishful thinking.
It certainly seems the case with this lady who seems to have gotten some kind of political mandate without the proper competences but very biased by ideology.
That is at least the impression I get when I read this article.

You are speaking my mind, especially for the sentences I have highlighted in bold.
 
Your knowledge of history is severely lacking, you live in an fantasy world. :LOL:

I'm so not interested in any revisionist claptrap I'm fairly certain you're bursting at the seams to cite in order to validate whatever Nationalist delusion you subscribe to. Really not interested. Trust me, I don't care.

I doubt your claim you have ever even visited Finland, where have these hunting trips taken place?

None of your business.

I will categorically destroy your claims one at a time if I have time this weekend. (y)

Doubtful. But don't bother because I don't care.

Sweden is a dying nation, your genes and culture will disappear from this planet, you can be in denial about is but that is a statistical fact.

1.) It's rather disheartening to continue to encounter such mind numbing ignorance about universal human patterns and cultural trends on an anthropology board of all places. POPULATIONS CHANGE. POPULATIONS SHIFT. CULTURES CHANGE. CULTURES EVOLVE. That is an unstoppable INEVITABILITY. Are Scandinavians culturally and genetically the same as we were 1500 years ago? NO. Just within the span of the last 500 years, there was the creation of the "New World" that has produced many new population and genetic clusters! ((GOD BLESS BRAZIL)) Only the most irredeemably peonic and ignorant would argue that cultures stay the same for eternity and never evolve.

2.) Therefore, I don't care if my genes and culture "disappear from this planet (which, by the way, is melodramatic hyperbole--funny how Neanderthals died out 40,000 years ago and yet traces of them still show up in our DNA.)." I'm not that narcissistic and delusional as to think my genes are so magnificent and worth preserving. Who cares???? I won't be alive anyway--if anything, I'm more interested in enjoying the NOW. Furthermore, what should I want to preserve? Pickled herring? Some cheap IKEA armoir? ABBA? What is so great about you? Some old musty reindeer pelts? Your wonderful Finnish heritage diseases? Your disposition towards alcoholism? Angry Birds? These are rhetorical questions. I actually don't want you to respond because I have no desire to further communicate with you. I don't care.
 
Definitely there is something too it. I think oppression pushes oppressed people into a defensive mode, that includes hypernationalism. This one is known to overblow self value and degrade "the others". From thinking of themselves as special and chosen by God, to something benign like jokes, where the others are always the stupid ones.

Makes sense to me--these types reek of narcissism, on a more localized, individual level and a wider cultural one as well.

People with narcissistic personality disorder are characterized by their persistent grandiosity, excessive need for admiration, and a disdain and lack of empathy for others.These individuals often display arrogance, a sense of superiority, and power-seeking behaviors.Narcissistic personality disorder is different from having a strong sense of self-confidence; people with NPD typically value themselves over others to the extent that they disregard the feelings and wishes of others and expect to be treated as superior regardless of their actual status or achievements.In addition, people with NPD may exhibit fragile egos, an inability to tolerate criticism, and a tendency to belittle others in an attempt to validate their own superiority.

See how well that definition applies to these people? Supposedly, one of the causes of narcissism is severe emotional/mental abuse to the extent that the psyche erects and projects an overcompensating facade to conceal an underlying, core sense of nothingness and lack of worth. Their need to overcompensate for the perceived failures/shame associated with some of their very troubled histories is blatantly obvious to anyone with eyes. And that's tragically sad because the truth is that no one human group, not a one, has been spared some sort of indignity. That's why I think empathy is so important, because if we can see ourselves and our experiences in someone else, and understand the overarching breadth of human experience and interrelatedness, it can broaden our perceptions and create a sense of oneness and sameness. No one can smell better than someone else when we've all waded in feces.
 
Makes sense to me--these types reek of narcissism, on a more localized, individual level and a wider cultural one as well.



See how well that definition applies to these people? Supposedly, one of the causes of narcissism is severe emotional/mental abuse to the extent that the psyche erects and projects an overcompensating facade to conceal an underlying, core sense of nothingness and lack of worth. Their need to overcompensate for the perceived failures/shame associated with some of their very troubled histories is blatantly obvious to anyone with eyes. And that's tragically sad because the truth is that no one human group, not a one, has been spared some sort of indignity. That's why I think empathy is so important, because if we can see ourselves and our experiences in someone else, and understand the overarching breadth of human experience and interrelatedness, it can broaden our perceptions and create a sense of oneness and sameness. No one can smell better than someone else when we've all waded in feces.
There are times when I would gladly leave them to marinate in their own sauce of mutual admiration, and hatred for the others, and go open a new country. Libertarian Atheist country. I'm sure it would be instant success. I just need to find a decent piece of land to buy. ;)
 
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yesterday at Coloseum

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Makes sense to me--these types reek of narcissism, on a more localized, individual level and a wider cultural one as well.



See how well that definition applies to these people? Supposedly, one of the causes of narcissism is severe emotional/mental abuse to the extent that the psyche erects and projects an overcompensating facade to conceal an underlying, core sense of nothingness and lack of worth. Their need to overcompensate for the perceived failures/shame associated with some of their very troubled histories is blatantly obvious to anyone with eyes. And that's tragically sad because the truth is that no one human group, not a one, has been spared some sort of indignity. That's why I think empathy is so important, because if we can see ourselves and our experiences in someone else, and understand the overarching breadth of human experience and interrelatedness, it can broaden our perceptions and create a sense of oneness and sameness. No one can smell better than someone else when we've all waded in feces.

narcisism? maybe
never underestimate jealousy ; that not only affects other people, but also the neighbours
 
‘We work in fear’: 100s of French officers protest violence against police

https://www.rt.com/news/363310-france-police-protest-violence/

A recent Molotov-cocktail attack on police in a Paris suburb that left one officer in critical condition has sparked hundreds police officers to rally across France to protest the violent assaults for a second night. The first demonstration was staged on Paris’ central Champs-Elysées on Monday night, when some 500 officers joined the protest, according to French media.
“We’re sick of hearing about colleagues getting attacked,” one officer told BFM TV. “And on top of it all, it feels like we’re getting no emotional response from the government.”
 


1.) Off-topic.

2.) Considering the source, I'm not surprised that it omitted important factors that determined the (unfortunate) outcome of that case. The men were charged, convicted and sentenced to 4 years + a fine, but upon appeal, they went free because the court couldn't decide who did what; one of the perpetrators was not as involved; and the victim had a hazy recollection. A group of judges decided on the ruling and there were dissenters but the majority were in favor of an acquittal because they couldn't decide who deserved what punishment, if anything at all. And because they couldn't mete out justice proportionately and "fairly," they decided to not do anything. I disagreed with this and much of Sweden did as well--there was widespread outrage over this case. Rape laws are currently being reworked to get more convictions and less acquittals. Sweden would rather do the opposite of what has happened, in say, a country like the US where wrongful convictions (where race and ethnicity have factored) were an epidemic. Neither are right in my opinion but for the time being, it is what it is.

3.) But I must say, the unmitigated gall of an Albanian especially or ANYONE from the Balkans that dares point their finger at other "problematic" immigrant populations is beyond egregious. Mafia thugs from the Balkans are the TRUE plague/pestilence on our society. Serbian and ethnic Albanian clans today control heroin flowing north out of Afghanistan, weapons smuggled through the Balkans, prostitutes trafficked from Africa to Stockholm; they mastermind the brazen armed robberies of security trucks ferrying cash, and frequently utilize machine guns and Molotov cocktails to destroy their enemies. Sweden has endured a slew of bomb/grenade based assassinations, all carried out from your precious brethren. If certain immigrant communities should be targeted for expulsion or kept from entering, YOURS should be first on the list. Therefore, it would best serve you to remain silent on this issue.
 
When you can't propelery vet them you always have a chance letting in isis
 

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