MOESAN
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I'm sorry, I open e new thread without the aim to have it to perdure too long time; only because I don't find a previous thread where I was asked about Scythians (here I've only Sakas) concerning auDNA.
But this few words can maybe used in other thread here or in 'history'
Now a PCA is a PCA.
On a auDNA PCA comparing ancient an current pops - I don't find the origin - I noticed:
- Bactrians: between Pathans, Brahmin,Makrani on one side and Sakas, Alans'1' on the other side
-Sogdians: between Bactrians (close) and Alans'1'/Massagetae, close enough, these ones towards Lezgins/Adygei >> Georgians (very farther)
- Sakas: between Bactrians (close) and Chuvash, Sarmatians, Iazyges, Alans '2' (all a bit 1farther)
*: Chuvashs more drifted towards North and East pops
Cimmerians: between Roxolans/Sarmatians/Iazyges, all close, and Scots, Orcadians (N-W drifted) and Finland (East drifted) farther
on this PCA,
Sakas, Sarmatians, Iazyges, Roxolans, Alans, Cimmerians, all are - spite in different proportions - drifted more on the direction of Northern and North-Eastern pops than towards Caucasus or Arabia
If I keep on with an axis linking N-India Pakistan to N-W+N-E Europe pops (close enough on this PCA), roughly said, I have from India to N Europe the following gradiant:
Bactrians - Sogdians -- Massagetae/Alans'1'/Saka -- Sarmatians/Alans'2' ... Iazyges/Roxolans -- Cimmerians (these last ones close enough to N Europeans, particuliarly Russians)
* Bactrians, Sogdians are close to Pakistan/N India, very farther from Kurds/Iranians who are drifted towards Arabia - by example, Lezgins and Adygei are closer than Kurds/Iranians to Sogdians/Bactrians on one side and to the group Sarmatians/Iazyges/Roxolans/Massagetae on the other side...
** Bactrians show more attraction to Steppes than to Iran! More Indus Valley + Steppes (whatever the dates!): the 'gedrosia' component more than the 'caucasus' one I think - that said today pops of Iran are not completely the same ones as in past-
I don't know what worth to give to a lone PCA but it's for the fun...
But this few words can maybe used in other thread here or in 'history'
Now a PCA is a PCA.
On a auDNA PCA comparing ancient an current pops - I don't find the origin - I noticed:
- Bactrians: between Pathans, Brahmin,Makrani on one side and Sakas, Alans'1' on the other side
-Sogdians: between Bactrians (close) and Alans'1'/Massagetae, close enough, these ones towards Lezgins/Adygei >> Georgians (very farther)
- Sakas: between Bactrians (close) and Chuvash, Sarmatians, Iazyges, Alans '2' (all a bit 1farther)
*: Chuvashs more drifted towards North and East pops
Cimmerians: between Roxolans/Sarmatians/Iazyges, all close, and Scots, Orcadians (N-W drifted) and Finland (East drifted) farther
on this PCA,
Sakas, Sarmatians, Iazyges, Roxolans, Alans, Cimmerians, all are - spite in different proportions - drifted more on the direction of Northern and North-Eastern pops than towards Caucasus or Arabia
If I keep on with an axis linking N-India Pakistan to N-W+N-E Europe pops (close enough on this PCA), roughly said, I have from India to N Europe the following gradiant:
Bactrians - Sogdians -- Massagetae/Alans'1'/Saka -- Sarmatians/Alans'2' ... Iazyges/Roxolans -- Cimmerians (these last ones close enough to N Europeans, particuliarly Russians)
* Bactrians, Sogdians are close to Pakistan/N India, very farther from Kurds/Iranians who are drifted towards Arabia - by example, Lezgins and Adygei are closer than Kurds/Iranians to Sogdians/Bactrians on one side and to the group Sarmatians/Iazyges/Roxolans/Massagetae on the other side...
** Bactrians show more attraction to Steppes than to Iran! More Indus Valley + Steppes (whatever the dates!): the 'gedrosia' component more than the 'caucasus' one I think - that said today pops of Iran are not completely the same ones as in past-
I don't know what worth to give to a lone PCA but it's for the fun...