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  1. #1
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    Population averages of Czechs

    I decided to test some Czech samples on Gedmatch, because they are often missing in most of spreadsheets of admixture calculators. I have tested 15 Czech samples that I had found through one-to-many tool. My purpose was to learn something new about genetic history of my own country, not only to know that Czechs are very mixed as is often claimed by haplogroup fans. I discovered that there is something like a "stereotypical Czech". I call it average Czech. It is surprisingly stable - Czechs seem to be relatively homogeneous population, but I didn't look for regional details about the samples.
    To avoid bias, I only tested samples with small or no level of relationship.
    Closest populations are in brackets. Numbers are averages of admixture percentages and numbers in brackets show individual variability range.
    I hope it will be useful, especially for admixture maps in Eupedia. Use it freely as you want.
    I am going to add more averages from other calculators gradually.

    Dodecad V3

    (Slovenian)
    W EURO 42,59 (40,19 - 46,19)
    E EURO 24,91 (20,62 - 27,32)
    MEDIT 21,47 (19,65 - 24,44)
    W ASIAN 8,06 (5,74 - 9,88)
    SW ASIAN 1,18 (0 - 2,39)
    NE ASIAN 0,36 (0 - 0,53)
    S ASIAN 0,96 (0 - 1,86)
    NW AFR 0,25 (0 - 1,33)
    SE ASIAN 0,14 (0 - 0,63)
    NEO AFR 0,01 (0 - 0,10)
    E AFR 0,00 (0 - 0,03)
    PALEO_AFR 0,06 (0 - 0,47)
    Dodecad K12b

    (Hungarian)
    N EURO 50,63 (47,37 - 52,13)
    ATL_MED 27,97 (24,13 - 32,86)
    CAUCASUS 12,45 (11,00 - 14,21)
    GEDROSIA 5,29 (3,98 - 7,13)
    SW ASIA 1,88 (0,96 - 3,45)
    SIBERIAN 0,45 (0 - 0,71)
    NW AFR 0,25 (0 - 1,06)
    S ASIA 0,73 (0,04 - 1,68)
    SE ASIA 0,15 (0 - 0,45)
    E AFR 0,04 (0 - 0,31)
    SUB_SAH 0,03 (0 - 0,32)
    E ASIAN 0,13 (0 - 0,87)
    Dodecad K7b
    (German)

    ATL_BAL 72,42 (69,91 - 74,98)
    W ASIAN 13,61 (11,65 - 16,29)
    SOUTHERN 11,69 (10,24 - 13,29)
    SIBERIAN 1,10 (0,03 - 1,72)
    S ASIAN 1,00 (0,03 - 2,13)
    AFRICAN 0,08 (0 - 0,32)
    E ASIAN 0,09 (0 - 0,42)
    Dodecad world9

    (Mixed Germanic)
    ATL_BAL 71,65 (69,46 - 74,31)
    CAU_GED 14,34 (12,16 - 16,91)
    SOUTHERN 11,22 (9,91 - 12,94)
    SIBERIAN 1,14 (0 - 2,14)
    S ASIAN 0,83 (0,18 - 1,90)
    AMERIND 0,55 (0 - 1,03)
    AFRICAN 0,09 (0 - 0,36)
    AUSTR 0,13 (0 - 0,51)
    E ASIAN 0,06 (0 - 0,33)
    Eurogenes ANE_K7

    WHG+UHG 63,34 (61,36 - 65,57)
    ANE 16,56 (15,53 - 17,58)
    ENF 16,59 (15,33 - 18,95)
    ASE 2,15 (0,86 - 2,76)
    E EURASIAN 0,56 (0 - 1,16)
    W AFRICAN 0,34 (0 - 0,96)
    E AFRICAN 0,46 (0 - 1,09)
    Eurogenes Hunter_Gatherer vs. Farmer

    BALTIC HG 60,02 (56,91 - 62,85)
    MED FARMER 25,40 (22,65 - 29,46)
    ANATOLIAN FARMER 9,89 (6,9 - 14,03)
    ME HERDER 1,81 (0 - 4,38)
    E ASIAN FARMER 0,16 (0 - 0,36)
    S AMERICAN HG 0,39 (0 - 0,68)
    S ASIAN HG 0,99 (0 - 2,09)
    N EURASIAN HG 0,41 (0 - 0,78)
    E AFR PASTORALIST 0,08 (0 - 0,53)
    OCEANIAN HG 0,09 (0 - 0,63)
    PYGMY HG 0,08 (0 - 0,33)
    BANTU FARMER 0,05 (0 - 0,36)
    WHG – ANE – EEF test

    (counted from average Czech in K13)
    EEF 47,736
    WHG 36,597
    ANE 15,667

    Eurogenes K13

    (East German)
    BALTIC 37,14 (31,98 - 40,21)
    N_ATLANTIC 33,53 (26,27 - 37,45)
    W ASIAN 5,94 (3,51 - 8,68)
    W_MED 12,43 (9,34 - 15,89)
    E_MED 7,18 (4,31 - 10,85)
    SIBERIAN 0,66 (0 - 1,55)
    RED SEA 0,90 (0 - 3,07)
    E ASIAN 0,14 (0 - 0,75)
    S ASIAN 1,18 (0 - 2,65)
    AMERIND 0,59 (0 - 1,39)
    OCEANIAN 0,26 (0 - 0,95)
    NE AFRICAN 0,19 (0 - 0,72)
    SUB_SAH 0,13 (0 - 1,29)

    Eurogenes V2 K15

    (East German and Austrian equally)
    N_SEA 24,06 (14,11? - 32,2)
    BALTIC 22,98 (19,07 - 28,22)
    ATLANTIC 20,11 (14,45 - 23,99)
    E_EURO 14,59 (10,33 - 18,28)
    W_ASIAN 4,39 (0,79 - 7,65)
    W_MED 7,98 (5,41 - 11,72)
    E_MED 3,65 (1,68 - 6,77)
    SIBERIAN 0,25 (0 - 0,74)
    RED SEA 0,70 (0 - 2,56)
    S_ASIAN 0,50 (0 - 1,13)
    AMERIND 0,24 (0 - 0,67)
    OCEANIAN 0,14 (0 - 0,56)
    NE_AFR 0,14 (0 - 0,86)
    SUB_SAH 0,09 (0 - 1,07)
    SE_ASIAN 0,07 (0 - 0,19)
    Eurogenes EUTest

    (Hungarian)
    S BALTIC 24,34 (18,33 - 27,76)
    ATLANTIC 17,91 (14,2 - 21,30)
    NC EURO 20,00 (17,41 - 24,69)
    E EURO 17,23 (11,85 - 20,70)
    W MED 9,47 (7,12 - 11,83)
    W ASIAN 3,92 (0,01? - 7,65)
    E MED 6,31 (2,05 - 8,53)
    MID EAST 0,17 (0 - 1,45)
    W AFRICAN 0,03 (0 - 0,13)
    E AFRICAN 0,05 (0 - 0,26)
    E ASIAN 0,00 (0 - 0)
    SIBERIAN 0,20 (0 - 0)
    S ASIAN 0,31 (0 - 1,29)

    Eurogenes K12

    S BALTIC 24,30 (19,38 - 28,02)
    NORTH SEA 22,39 (14,82 - 29,21)
    W EURO 20,74 (17,59 - 23,92)
    VOLGA_URAL 13,20 (9,83 - 15,38)
    MEDIT 10,95 (6,22 - 15,38)
    CAUCASUS 6,72 (3,89 - 11,1)
    SW ASIAN 1,15 (0 - 2,96)
    N.AMERIND_ARC 0,15 (0 - 0,53)
    SIBERIAN 0,00 0
    S ASIAN 0,38 (0 - 1,14)
    E ASIAN 0,00 0
    W AFRICAN 0,02 (0 - 0,17)
    Last edited by Syky; 19-11-16 at 22:43.

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    Interesting to see Hungarian average, the following results are from Hungarians of Transylvania origin:

    Based on Eurogenes K12&K15 calculator:

    1.,
    [spoiler]
    Population
    South Asian 3.66
    Caucasus 9.85
    Southwest Asian 4.51
    North Amerindian + Arctic 0.97
    Siberian 0.92
    Mediterranean 11.90
    East Asian 0.42
    West African 0.11
    Volga-Ural 10.58
    South Baltic 22.41
    Western European 14.51
    North Sea 20.15

    Eurogenes K15

    # Population Percent
    1 North_Sea 20.85
    2 Baltic 20.67
    3 Atlantic 13.18
    4 Eastern_Euro 12.21
    5 West_Med 9.77
    6 West_Asian 6.75
    7 East_Med 6.47
    8 South_Asian 3.9
    9 Red_Sea 2.97
    10 Siberian 1.73
    11 Amerindian 1.09
    12 Southeast_Asian 0.41
    [/spoiler]

    [spoiler]
    2.,
    Population
    South Asian 1.13
    Caucasus 9.51
    Southwest Asian 7.41
    North Amerindian + Arctic 0.61
    Siberian 2.15
    Mediterranean 13.07
    East Asian 1.03
    West African -
    Volga-Ural 11.77
    South Baltic 18.73
    Western European 17.90
    North Sea 16.68

    Eurogenes K15
    #
    Population Percent
    1 North_Sea 20.11
    2 Baltic 15.7
    3 Eastern_Euro 15.46
    4 Atlantic 14.84
    5 West_Med 10.56
    6 East_Med 9.57
    7 West_Asian 4.36
    8 Red_Sea 3.35
    9 Siberian 2.24
    10 Amerindian 1.19
    11 Southeast_Asian 1.13
    12 South_Asian 0.79
    13 Northeast_African 0.54
    14 Oceanian 0.18
    [/spoiler]

    [spoiler]
    3.,
    Population
    South Asian 0.89
    Caucasus 11.17
    Southwest Asian 4.45
    North Amerindian + Arctic 0.20
    Siberian 1.08
    Mediterranean 15.46
    East Asian 2.28
    West African -
    Volga-Ural 7.17
    South Baltic 22.10
    Western European 15.05
    North Sea 20.15

    K15
    #
    Population Percent
    1 North_Sea 21.46
    2 Baltic 20.38
    3 Atlantic 14.34
    4 East_Med 13.87
    5 West_Med 10.81
    6 Eastern_Euro 8.23
    7 West_Asian 5.61
    8 Southeast_Asian 2.07
    9 Siberian 1.7
    10 South_Asian 1.04
    11 Oceanian 0.47
    12 Red_Sea 0.02
    [/spoiler]

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    Here is a very interesting East German EU K15 score:

    http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthre...l=1#post199430

    His ancestors, according to what he wrote, are from four places:

    1) - present-day East Germany
    2) - Sudetenland (Czech Republic)
    3) - Western Pomerania (Poland)
    4) - and German from Austria

    And these are his Eurogenes K15 results:

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 Baltic 23.09
    2 North_Sea 23.02
    3 Atlantic 22.26
    4 Eastern_Euro 15.19
    5 West_Med 6.82
    6 West_Asian 4.54
    7 East_Med 3.58
    8 Siberian 0.57
    9 Red_Sea 0.47
    10 Amerindian 0.22
    11 Sub-Saharan 0.18
    12 Oceanian 0.07

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 South_Polish 6.34
    2 Austrian 6.42
    3 East_German 6.6
    4 Hungarian 6.88
    5 Croatian 7.14
    6 Polish 7.28
    7 Ukrainian_Lviv 8.34
    8 Ukrainian 8.51
    9 Southwest_Finnish 8.77
    10 Russian_Smolensk 9.66
    11 Moldavian 10.64
    12 Finnish 10.78
    13 Belorussian 11.35
    14 Southwest_Russian 11.51
    15 Estonian_Polish 11.64
    16 Ukrainian_Belgorod 11.69
    17 Estonian 11.77
    18 Serbian 13.09
    19 East_Finnish 13.27
    20 North_German 13.69

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 60.7% Russian_Smolensk + 39.3% South_Dutch @ 1.57
    2 56.7% Belorussian + 43.3% South_Dutch @ 1.83
    3 65.8% Russian_Smolensk + 34.2% Southwest_English @ 2.01
    4 65.6% Austrian + 34.4% Estonian @ 2.04
    5 65.6% Russian_Smolensk + 34.4% Southeast_English @ 2.12
    6 61.9% Belorussian + 38.1% French @ 2.38
    7 56.2% Estonian_Polish + 43.8% South_Dutch @ 2.44
    8 59.1% Russian_Smolensk + 40.9% North_German @ 2.49
    9 60.4% East_German + 39.6% Russian_Smolensk @ 2.51
    10 68.1% Polish + 31.9% South_Dutch @ 2.52
    11 53.7% Austrian + 46.3% Polish @ 2.53
    12 50.4% South_Dutch + 49.6% Lithuanian @ 2.54
    13 65.9% Russian_Smolensk + 34.1% French @ 2.57
    14 64.6% East_German + 35.4% Belorussian @ 2.64
    15 56.5% Southwest_Russian + 43.5% South_Dutch @ 2.67
    16 66% Russian_Smolensk + 34% Irish @ 2.69
    17 63.6% Russian_Smolensk + 36.4% West_German @ 2.69
    18 72.7% Polish + 27.3% French @ 2.72
    19 71.8% South_Polish + 28.2% South_Dutch @ 2.78
    20 75.9% South_Polish + 24.1% Southeast_English @ 2.8

    Clearly he has a lot of Germanized Slavic ancestry.

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    OK, I will start a separate thread for this stuff later. :)
    Last edited by Tomenable; 04-12-16 at 12:55.

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    Michael Eisenriegler:

    http://michael.eisenriegler.at/micha...atives-finder/

    Genealogical ancestry:

    Like most people who are into family research I’m always interested in finding new relatives and to get in touch with distant cousins. To make this easier I had my DNA tested on 23andme and on Ancestry DNA and also uploaded it to GEDmatch (Kit # M368955) as well as FTDNA. My full family tree is available on MyHeritage, please ask for access.

    My paternal haplogroup is J2b2* (23andme), J-M172 (FTDNA)
    My maternal haplogroup is H1 (23andme)

    Here’s a list of family names of the last seven generations of my ancestors and the places they lived. The list is by far not complete yet, there are still some brick walls to overcome:

    Paternal Ancestors:

    Greil (Greill, Greyl, Greilach) from Göriach, Dölsach and Stronach, Lienz District, Eastern Tyrol, Austria
    Glantschnig from Dölsach
    Weingartner from Dölsach
    Teutsch (Deutsch) from Stronach
    Mayr (Mayr in der Gassen) from Nußdorf (Unter-Nußdorf) and Stribach, Lienz District, Eastern Tyrol, Austria
    Tembl from Nußdorf
    Plautz from Iselsberg, Lienz District, Eastern Tyrol, Austria
    Rainer from Iselsberg
    Eder from Nußdorf (Ober-Nußdorf), Dölsach and Iselsberg
    Haidenberger (Haidenperger) from Nußdorf-Debant
    Amort (Amorth, Am Ort) from Lavant, Lienz District, Eastern Tyrol, Austria
    Ulgener from Oberleibnig, Lienz District, Eastern Tyrol, Austria
    Jelwitschger from Oberdrum, Lienz District, Eastern Tyrol, Austria
    Winkler from Görtschach, Lienz District, Eastern Tyrol, Austria
    Oberhofer (Hofer) from Gödnach, Lienz District, Eastern Tyrol, Austria
    Inwinkl (Winkler) from Gödnach
    Unterbrunner from Patriasdorf, Lienz District, Eastern Tyrol, Austria
    Zabernig from Gaimberg, Lienz District, Eastern Tyrol, Austria
    Klocker, most likely from somewhere in the Lienz area
    Regulati, most likely from somewhere in the Lienz area
    Gander, most likely from somewhere in the Lienz area
    Mosser, most likely from somewhere in the Lienz area
    Täbernig (Tabernig), most likely from somewhere in the Lienz area
    Aichholzer, most likely from Dölsach
    Reiter from Thurn, Eastern Tyrol, Austria
    Zimmermann from Thurn and Lienz
    Wohlgemuth (Wohlgemut) from Matrei in Osttirol (Windisch-Matrei), Eastern Tyrol, Austria
    Koczian (Kotzian, Kocijan, Kocyan, Koczyan, Kocián with or without „von Kronenfeld“, „von Kronfeld“, “z Kronfeldu” or “z Kronenfeldu”) from Vysoké Mýto (Hohenmauth), Brno (Brünn), Brumov na Vláře (Brumov) and a number of other places in Bohemia and Moravia, Czech Republic
    Kohlschreiber from Vysoké Mýto (Hohenmauth), Bohemia, Czech Republic
    Popek from Vysoké Mýto (Hohenmauth)
    Zeisel (Zeisl, Zeißl, Zeissl) from Brno (Brünn)
    Krziwanek, probably also from Brno (Brünn)
    Weidemann (Waidmann, Weydmann, Weideman) from Čermná na Moravě (Groß-Dittersdorf) and Velká Střelná (Groß Waltersdorf), Moravia, and Klosterneuburg, Lower Austria
    Lausecker (Lauseker) from Velká Střelná (Groß Waltersdorf) and Kaplice (Kaplitz), Bohemia
    Goth from somewhere in Bohemia and from Neugattersleben (Hohendorf), Sachsen-Anhalt, Germany
    Hunziker (Honsinger, Hunsaker, Hunsecker, Hunsicker, Hunsinger, Hunsucker, Huntsinger, Huntzinger, Hunzeker, Hunziker, Unzicker) from Aargau, Switzerland and possibly also from Neugattersleben (Hohendorf)
    Klimesch from Černé Údolí (Schwarzthal), Bohemia
    Schicho from Pořešinec (Klein Poreschin), Bohemia
    Raab (Rab), probably from somewhere in Bohemia

    Maternal Ancestors:

    Haszprunár (Hauszprunar, Hasprunar, Hausbrunner) from Gajary (Gajár, Gajar, Gayring, Gairing, Gajáre), Slovakia
    Szpuszta (Spusta) from Gajary
    Ambra from Veľké Leváre (Velké Leváry, Großschützen, Nagylévárd), Slovakia
    Stora, possibly also from Veľké Leváre
    Maruschka (Marusska, Maruška, Maruska) from Gajary
    Vlk (Wlk) from Gajary
    Lackner (Lakner) from Vienna, Austria and possibly also from Gajary
    Břen (Bren) from the area around Oldřiš, Borová and Polička, Bohemia and from Vienna
    Heltl from Betlém near Polička
    Kroulik from Kobylí (Kobyly, Roßhöfen) near Polička
    Jann from Lhotice (Lhotec), Bohemia
    Wohanka, probably from somewhere in Bohemia
    Vávra, probably from somewhere in Bohemia
    Glatter from Velké Kunětice (Groß Kunzendorf), Moravian Silesia (České Slezsko, Mährisch Schlesien), Moravia
    Losse from Rejvíz (Reihwiesen), Moravian Silesia
    Merkel from Loučná nad Desnou (Wiesenberg), Moravian Silesia
    Schatter from somewhere in Preußisch Schlesien (Prussian part of Silesia), today part of Poland
    Teufert from Liptaň (Liebenthal), Moravia
    Müller, probably from somewhere in Silesia
    Spielvogel from Česká Ves (Böhmischdorf) and Rejvíz, Moravian Silesia
    Überall (Überal) from Rejvíz, Česká Ves and possibly Jeseník (Frývaldov, Freiwaldau, Freiwalldau), Moravian Silesia
    Ruisinger from Eybach, Württemberg (Baden-Württemberg), Germany and Vienna
    Steinlehner, possibly from Württemberg
    Kaiser from Schnittlingen, Württemberg
    Geiger from Schnittlingen, Württemberg
    Schuster from Kvilda (Außergefild), Bohemia
    Mandl from Kvilda
    Dik from Podlesí (Vogelsang), Bohemia
    Anger from Úvaly (Garschönthal), Moravia and Hausbrunn, Lower Austria
    Hammer from Hausbrunn
    Schwingenschrot, possibly from Northern Lower Austria (Weinviertel) or Southern Moravia
    Hartmann from Schwertberg, Upper Austria
    Roiß from Schwertberg and Langenstein, Upper Austria
    Maresch from Jaroměř (Jermer), Bohemia
    Dörfler (Dörffler) from Kaplice (Kaplitz), Bohemia and Vienna
    Benda from Střítež u Kaplice (Tritesch), Bohemia
    Günner from Horšov (Horschau), Bohemia
    Stöhr from Velký Kozi Hřbet (Großziegenruck), part of Rejštejn (Unterreichenstein) and Nuzarov (Nimvorgut), Bohemia
    Klostermann from Malý Kozí Hřbet (Kleinziegenruck), part of Rejštejn (Unterreichenstein)
    Harant from Žlibek (Rindlau), Bohemia
    Metzling from Žlibek
    Karlovsky (Karlovský) from Přední Lhota (Vorderlhota) near Poděbrady (Podiebrad), Bohemia and Inzersdorf, Lower Austria
    Plaček (Placek) from Vestec (Westetz) near Poděbrady
    Panek (Pannek) from Odřepsy (Odreps) near Poděbrady
    Wlik from Poděbrady
    Smrčina from Dehtín (Dechtin), part of Klatovy (Klattau) and Švihov (Svichov, Schwihau), Bohemia
    Čepička from Klatovy
    And his Eurogenes K15 result:

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 Atlantic 23.72
    2 North_Sea 20.33
    3 Baltic 15.86
    4 West_Med 12.51
    5 Eastern_Euro 9.58
    6 West_Asian 7.53
    7 East_Med 7.37
    8 Red_Sea 2.14
    9 Northeast_African 0.8
    10 Southeast_Asian 0.16

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Austrian 5.34
    2 Serbian 7.61
    3 East_German 8.37
    4 Hungarian 8.53
    5 Croatian 9.88
    6 Romanian 10.14
    7 South_Dutch 10.53
    8 French 10.83
    9 Moldavian 11.42
    10 Bulgarian 12.55
    11 West_German 13.1
    12 Spanish_Cataluna 13.59
    13 North_German 13.77
    14 Spanish_Galicia 13.98
    15 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 14.23
    16 Portuguese 14.41
    17 North_Italian 14.55
    18 South_Polish 15.22
    19 Spanish_Extremadura 15.32
    20 Spanish_Murcia 15.6

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 74.8% Austrian + 25.2% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 2.51
    2 75.2% Austrian + 24.8% Portuguese @ 2.57
    3 76.4% Austrian + 23.6% Spanish_Extremadura @ 2.6
    4 75.4% Austrian + 24.6% North_Italian @ 2.6
    5 74.7% Austrian + 25.3% Spanish_Galicia @ 2.63
    6 78.4% Austrian + 21.6% Spanish_Andalucia @ 2.7
    7 74.4% Austrian + 25.6% Spanish_Cataluna @ 2.77
    8 78.7% Austrian + 21.3% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 2.8
    9 77.1% Austrian + 22.9% Spanish_Murcia @ 2.8
    10 78.5% Austrian + 21.5% Spanish_Cantabria @ 2.9
    11 78.3% Austrian + 21.7% Spanish_Valencia @ 3.03
    12 80.6% Austrian + 19.4% Spanish_Aragon @ 3.08
    13 67.9% Hungarian + 32.1% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 3.22
    14 59.8% Croatian + 40.2% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 3.23
    15 58.6% Croatian + 41.4% Spanish_Cataluna @ 3.26
    16 78.9% Austrian + 21.1% Southwest_French @ 3.28
    17 90.2% Austrian + 9.8% Sardinian @ 3.3
    18 67.8% Hungarian + 32.2% Spanish_Andalucia @ 3.3
    19 80.8% Austrian + 19.2% Tuscan @ 3.33
    20 67% Hungarian + 33% Spanish_Valencia @ 3.44

  6. #6
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    Country: Albania



    @syky great thread I finally get to see some Czech results! I some how have never seen this post.

    Here are some results from my father. His ancestry is exclusively (from what I know) from the nitra region in Slovakia.

    Eurogenes Jtest
    Population Percent
    1 SOUTH_BALTIC 23.67
    2 NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 21.09
    3 EAST_EURO 20.74
    4 ATLANTIC 12.87
    5 EAST_MED 8.25
    6 WEST_MED 7.11
    7 ASHKENAZI 4.75
    8 WEST_ASIAN 0.91
    9 EAST_ASIAN 0.31
    10 WEST_AFRICAN 0.15
    11 MIDDLE_EASTERN 0.13
    12 SIBERIAN 0.02
    13 SOUTH_ASIAN 0.01

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 PL 7.88
    2 UA 8.38
    3 Ukrainian-Russian 9.13
    4 HU 9.79
    5 West_Russian 9.95
    6 Belorussian 10.88
    7 AT 11.74
    8 South_Finnish 12.01
    9 EE 12.66
    10 Serbian 13.02
    11 Northwest_Russian 13.59
    12 East_Russian 13.78
    13 East_Finnish 14.07
    14 North_Swedish 14.53
    15 North_Russian 15.45
    16 LIT 15.96
    17 South_&_Central_Swedish 16.05
    18 RO 16.31
    19 West_&_Central_German 16.72
    20 NO 17.05


    His dodecad V3
    Population Percent
    1 West_European 41.26
    2 East_European 26.24
    3 Mediterranean 19.92
    4 West_Asian 8.77
    5 Southwest_Asian 2.16
    6 South_Asian 0.69
    7 Northeast_Asian 0.53
    8 Southeast_Asian 0.26
    9 East_African 0.16
    10 Neo_African 0.02

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Slovenian (Xing) 5.1
    2 Hungarians (Behar) 6.37
    3 German (Dodecad) 13.6
    4 Balkans (Dodecad) 18.36
    5 N._European (Xing) 18.41
    6 Polish (Dodecad) 18.44
    7 CEU (HapMap) 18.6
    8 Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) 18.68
    9 Argyll (1000 Genomes) 18.85
    10 FIN (1000Genomes) 19.52
    11 Orcadian (HGDP) 19.81
    12 Orkney (1000 Genomes) 19.99
    13 Romanians_14 (Behar) 22.03
    14 Finnish (Dodecad) 22.87
    15 Russian (Dodecad) 23.86
    16 Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) 25.28
    17 French (Dodecad) 25.49
    18 French (HGDP) 25.87
    19 Swedish (Dodecad) 26.19
    20 Dutch (Dodecad) 26.97
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    Srdceleva, your father looks very Czech. I previously thought that Slovaks are more Slavic, even though from western part of Slovakia. This is a "purely" south Moravian guy, which is more eastern looking:

    DV3
    # Population Percent
    1 West_European 42.4
    2 East_European 27.78
    3 Mediterranean 18.78
    4 West_Asian 7.38
    5 Southwest_Asian 1.72
    6 Northeast_Asian 0.93
    7 Southeast_Asian 0.41
    8 South_Asian 0.4
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    1 Slovenian (Xing) 7.3
    2 Hungarians (Behar) 7.92
    3 German (Dodecad) 13.89
    4 Polish (Dodecad) 17.15

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    # Population Percent
    1 SOUTH_BALTIC 27.21
    2 NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 18.96
    3 EAST_EURO 18.59
    4 ATLANTIC 15.81
    5 WEST_MED 7.57
    6 EAST_MED 6.57
    7 WEST_ASIAN 4.5
    8 SIBERIAN 0.42
    9 SOUTH_ASIAN 0.37

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 PL 3.84
    2 UA 5.04
    3 West_Russian 6.91
    4 Ukrainian-Russian 7.26
    5 Belorussian 8.49
    6 HU 8.51
    7 EE 10.29
    8 Northwest_Russian 11.29
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    Well I don't know if less or more Slavic is the best way to describe it. Lithuanias, lativians, and Finnish people all score extremely high on Baltic and Eastern European results and they aren't technically Slavic.

    There seems to be a genetic continuity between Moravians, Slovaks, south poles, and western ukrainians. As you can see on the other thread the ethnic pole from lyvov has similar results to slovaks and Czechs. I also posted results from a women who's three grandparents are from South East Poland and a fourth from Western Ukraine. Though two of her grandparents were technically ethnic Germans living in Poland a study I read done on polish Germans and Slavic poles showed ethnic Germans in Poland to be of polish origin. So germanicized poles basically . And this women results also looked similar to my father and your results. Davidiski from eurogenes also seems to have some biased results as he takes most samples from north east polish people and makes them a proxy group for many of his Eastern Europe results. If you look at results from Lebrok and tomenable they also are not as extreme as some of the tables for poles on the dodecad and eurogenes test.

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    You are right, I often use Slavic in "Eastern Euro" meaning (Baltic, Eastern Euro etc. components), it is not 100% correct but easy to use :) And you are right with the genetic continuity, it seems plausible. Eurogenes often puts me close to "South Polish" in its Oracles. But who are the carriers of those "eastern" components? Eastern Slavs, connected to R1a-CTS1211? It is a bit mystery for me. Yamna and Corded Ware peoples were more "western" in both Dodecad and Eurogenes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syky View Post
    You are right, I often use Slavic in "Eastern Euro" meaning (Baltic, Eastern Euro etc. components), it is not 100% correct but easy to use :) And you are right with the genetic continuity, it seems plausible. Eurogenes often puts me close to "South Polish" in its Oracles. But who are the carriers of those "eastern" components? Eastern Slavs, connected to R1a-CTS1211? It is a bit mystery for me. Yamna and Corded Ware peoples were more "western" in both Dodecad and Eurogenes.
    What's interesting is that both me and my father's "Eastern euro " results from the eurogenes EU test and from the K36 results seem to be higher than many poles and Czechs I've seen on those tests when compared to "Baltic" or "central East European" results where poles and Czechs score higher. This could possibly be due to the fact that slovaks have higher rates of east Slavic R1a than both Czechs and poles.

    I'm not exactly sure who these original Eastern euros were but they seem to be a northern branch of Indo Europeans connected to R1a in general. I'm still waiting for them to finally test a proto slav so we really can test " Slavic genes" :).


    any czech results that resemble mine :)

    dodecad v3

    Population
    East_European 22.70
    West_European 46.50
    Mediterranean 20.96
    Neo_African -
    West_Asian 6.66
    South_Asian -
    Northeast_Asian 0.49
    Southeast_Asian 0.68
    East_African 0.36
    Southwest_Asian 1.47
    Northwest_African 0.19
    Palaeo_African -

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    Population
    SOUTH_BALTIC 22.14
    EAST_EURO 18.49
    NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 23.99
    ATLANTIC 18.15
    WEST_MED 8.28
    EAST_MED 6.74
    WEST_ASIAN 1.35
    MIDDLE_EASTERN -
    SOUTH_ASIAN 0.06
    EAST_AFRICAN 0.24
    EAST_ASIAN 0.56
    SIBERIAN -
    WEST_AFRICAN -

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    The problem is that Corded Ware people were "western" and predominantly R1a. Therefore I still don't understand who were the "eastern" peoples.
    This is a Corded individual from Estonia, now genetically very "eastern" country:
    Kit F999955

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 West_European 58.61
    2 East_European 18.84
    3 Mediterranean 16.19
    4 West_Asian 4.89
    5 South_Asian 0.49
    6 Northeast_Asian 0.35
    7 Palaeo_African 0.33
    8 Neo_African 0.3
    Eurogenes K13:
    #PopulationPercent
    1 North_Atlantic 54.58
    2 Baltic 36.96
    3 West_Asian 4.41
    4 West_Med 4.04

    Now the Slavs and Balts are different from these R1a Corded peoples.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syky View Post
    The problem is that Corded Ware people were "western" and predominantly R1a. Therefore I still don't understand who were the "eastern" peoples.
    This is a Corded individual from Estonia, now genetically very "eastern" country:
    Kit F999955

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 West_European 58.61
    2 East_European 18.84
    3 Mediterranean 16.19
    4 West_Asian 4.89
    5 South_Asian 0.49
    6 Northeast_Asian 0.35
    7 Palaeo_African 0.33
    8 Neo_African 0.3
    Eurogenes K13:
    #PopulationPercent
    1 North_Atlantic 54.58
    2 Baltic 36.96
    3 West_Asian 4.41
    4 West_Med 4.04

    Now the Slavs and Balts are different from these R1a Corded peoples.
    Yes that is very interesting, maybe the ancestors of modern slavs and balts were farther east at the time. However the eastern european results aren't too low, 18 % on dodecad is still higher than modern Germans. However dodecad seems to be less and less reliable to me. The table for different populations seem disproportionate as modern slavs that I've seen never seem to be as high on Eastern European as the tables show. I recently saw results for a belarusian I know who scores 96% north Slavic on DNA land and clusters with Belarus on almost every eurogenes test, and even he on dodecad is only 37% eastern euro according to the test. No where near 50% considered the average for Belarusians...

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    It is true that Dodecad V3 is somewhat old, but I like its simplicity with only few caucasoid components, it is easy to imagine. But as you see from K13, this Corded female is much more "Atlantic" than "Baltic". Her K15:

    1 North_Sea 37.87
    2 Atlantic 30.48
    3 Baltic 18.5
    4 Eastern_Euro 13.16

    Still more "western"... interesting.

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    whats interesting is the results from two czech samples 2000 years ago
    Dodecad V3

    Brandysek, Czech Republic

    Kit F999954

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 West_European 45.18
    2 East_European 26.58
    3 Mediterranean 23.46
    4 West_Asian 4.43
    5 Neo_African 0.31
    6 Northwest_African 0.04

    Velke Prilepy, Czech Republic

    Kit F999951

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 West_European 54.43
    2 Mediterranean 22.3
    3 East_European 13.76
    4 West_Asian 8.84
    5 Neo_African 0.36
    6 Palaeo_African 0.23
    7 Southeast_Asian 0.09

    The first one Looks like a modern czech while the second one looks more western

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syky View Post
    The problem is that Corded Ware people were "western"
    Only in Eurogenes calculators (which are not so good for ancient DNA according to their author).

    In many other calculators - like Gedrosia series - they (and Bell Beakers too) look pretty eastern.

    It probably has more to do with genetic drift than migrations ("Baltic" being a drifted component).

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    Here are some more eastern-looking samples from Poland, but most of them are low coverage:

    RISE139 (Poland, 2135-1923 BC, Unetice culture) - GEDmatch M484113
    RISE145 (Poland, 2188-1958 BC, Unetice culture) - GEDmatch M069028
    PL_N17 (Poland, 1953-1880 BC, Early Bronze Age) - GEDmatch Z378359
    RISE598 (Lithuania, 908-485 BC, Late Bronze Age) - GEDmatch M483824
    IR1
    (Hungary, 980-930 BC, Iron Age Mezocsat culture) - GEDmatch F999929
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    What do typical Czechs score in this new MDLP K16 calculator?:

    http://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads...bs-on-GEDmatch

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    My fathers results

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    # Population Percent
    1 NorthEastEuropean 29.76
    2 Neolithic 26.16
    3 Steppe 20.69
    4 Caucasian 20.33
    5 Arctic 0.85
    6 Indian 0.78
    7 NearEast 0.67
    8 Siberian 0.33
    9 Australian 0.29
    10 NorthAfrican 0.15

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    1 Pole 2.53
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    3 Sorb 2.72
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    German_Lipsian are Germans from Leipzig, so they are neighbours of Sorbs.

    Probably largely descended from Germanized Sorbs, hence so similar to them.

    Some maps (mostly made by me):

    R1a frequency correlates with former Slavic lands in 800-850 AD (peak of Slavic expansion):



    "Ludność słowiańska w rozproszeniu" = ethnically mixed (where Slavs were not clear majority):



    Slavic lands (orange) and German-ruled lands (black) in the 9th (IX) century AD:

    Black area = lands from which "Ostsiedlung" settlers came (ca. 400,000 km2)
    Orange area = Slavic-inhabited lands in the 800s (in total ca. 2,700,000 km2)



    Elbe Slavs:

    1) Ethnic divisions:

    Areas with white dots = ethnically mixed (not fully Slavic):



    2) Tribal divisions:



    Sorbian-speakinga areas:



    About Slavs in Bornholm:

    https://lup.lub.lu.se/search/publication/1258368

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    The highest frequency of R1a in Germany is in this area:

    - Chemnitz in Saxony (ca. 40%),
    - Dessau in Saxony-Anhalt (ca. 43%)
    - Brandenburg an der Havel (ca. 50%),
    - Lusatia (ethnic Sorbs: ca. 65%)

    In Austria: Graz in Styria (ca. 43%)

    One Austrian from Styria and Carinthia on GEDmatch:

    Kit number - M130545

    I asked him about his ancestry. All of his known ancestors have German surnames and spoke German. But all of them were from Styria and Carinthia, and his GEDmatch results are very Slavic-like (he scores more "Baltic" than "North Atlantic" in Eurogenes K13). In DNA.Land he is 1/2 "North Slavic" and the rest split between "Balkan" and "North-Western Euro".

    Lands inhabited by ethnic Slovenes in Early Middle Ages vs. modern Slovenia:

    http://www.gis.si/egw/ZSS_T04_P02/img/karta2.jpg



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    From FTDNA projects I collected data on Y-DNA haplogroups in pre-war Easternmost Germany.

    Frequencies of R1a and N1 haplogroups in pre-war:

    Upper Silesia (sample 48) = 62,5% (30) R1a + 4,2% (2) N1
    Lower Silesia (sample 48) = 47,9% (23) R1a + 2,1% (1) N1

    East Prussia (sample 84) = 45,2% (38) R1a + 22,6% (19) N1

    Elevated frequency of N1 in East Prussia suggests ethnic Baltic (mostly Old Prussian) ancestry.

    Especially considering that most of East Prussian N1 belongs to Z16975 / FGC13372 subclade:

    https://www.yfull.com/arch-3.15/tree/N-Z16975/

    This subclade is not common in Lithuania. It had to be the original Old Prussian N1c subclade:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Prussians

    Among 19 samples of N1 from East Prussia, there were 18 N1c and, surprise, also one N1b:

    https://www.yfull.com/arch-3.15/tree/N-L732/

    FTDNA kit 217892 Johann Gröning born in 1800 in Horsterbusch (Krzewiny), hg. N1b-L732

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    Quote Originally Posted by srdceleva View Post
    My fathers results

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    # Population Percent
    1 NorthEastEuropean 29.76
    2 Neolithic 26.16
    3 Steppe 20.69
    4 Caucasian 20.33
    5 Arctic 0.85
    6 Indian 0.78
    7 NearEast 0.67
    8 Siberian 0.33
    9 Australian 0.29
    10 NorthAfrican 0.15

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Pole 2.53
    2 German_Lipsian 2.66
    3 Sorb 2.72
    4 Dutch 2.76
    5 Pole 2.99
    6 Slovak 3.03
    My results (when using my FTDNA raw data, but converted to 23andMe format by DNA.Land):

    There are four different "Poles" in Single Pop. Sharing because they are different regional groups of Poles (unfortunately there was some error when uploading this calculator to GEDmatch, and names of regions are not listed):

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 NorthEastEuropean 30.01
    2 Neolithic 23.49
    3 Caucasian 23.39
    4 Steppe 21.43
    5 NearEast 0.78
    6 Amerindian 0.74
    7 EastAfrican 0.15

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Pole 2.47
    2 Slovak 3.32
    3 Pole 3.49
    4 Pole 3.5
    5 Ukrainian 3.6
    6 Hungarian 3.92
    7 Sorb 4.1
    8 German_Lipsian 4.29
    9 Ukrainians_west 4.55
    10 Ukrainians_north 4.92
    11 Dutch 4.96
    12 Czech 5.01
    13 Belarusian 5.06
    14 Hungarian 5.11
    15 Hungarian 5.17
    16 Russian 5.19
    17 Pole 5.6
    18 Russian 5.66
    19 Belarusian 5.79
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    Extremely interesting. I didn't know R1a percentages were so high in east Germany among (supposedly) non sorbs. Austrians don't surprise me at all. Slavic influence is evident in everything here and most people from corinthia do know of having a lot of Slovenian ancestry so im surprised this guy doesn't, though his results are probably very similar to Slovenians, especially with such a high Balkan component on dna.land.

    this women's kit number is M111259. This is what she says about her grandparents.


    Michael Reichert b. 1879 in
    "Rauchersdorf, Austria" according to his naturalization record in 1913. In his WW2 draft registration in 1942, he reports his birthplace as "Kuryna, Poland." (which is probably modern-day
    Kurzyna, Nisko, Poland) The Roman Catholic center for this town was Rauchersdorf so it would make sense.


    Frances Gubernat b. 1881 in "Zglobien" according to her arrival manifest in 1902. On her husband's naturalization record in 1913, her birthplace is recorded as "Dombrovka, Austria" (which is probably modern-day
    Dąbrówka, Nisko, Poland).




    Andreas Bartusiak b. 1879 in "Roztoka Mala" according to his arrival manifest in 1903. He also says that he is "Ruthenian" which I believe suggests the area around modern-day Ukraine. There is a place called Mala Roztoka in Ukraine near the borders of Hungary and Romania so that could be where he came from.


    Alexandra Sawczak b. 1884 in "Maciejowa" according to a passenger manifest which I believe is her in 1901. I've not found any other records for her indicating where she was born.

    her K13 results

    # Population Percent
    1 Baltic 39.26
    2 North_Atlantic 30.87
    3 West_Med 14.07
    4 West_Asian 9.81
    5 East_Med 3.39
    6 Oceanian 0.92
    7 Red_Sea 0.81
    8 South_Asian 0.4
    9 Siberian 0.28
    10 Amerindian 0.19

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 South_Polish 5.39
    2 Ukrainian_Lviv 5.43
    3 Ukrainian 6.57
    4 Croatian 7.01
    5 Polish 7.6
    6 Hungarian 9.44
    7 East_German 9.48


    Two of her grandparents from south Poland seem to be ethnic germans and have german names. Doesn't seem like she has much german ancestry. Were ethnic germans in Poland german at all?

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    my results




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    1 NorthEastEuropean 29.88
    2 Neolithic 27.17
    3 Steppe 20.62
    4 Caucasian 20.48
    5 Siberian 1.01
    6 Amerindian 0.6
    7 EastAfrican 0.2
    8 Oceanic 0.04

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    1 German_Lipsian 2.89
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    3 Pole 3.11
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    5 Slovak 3.54
    6 Pole 3.77
    7 German 3.84
    8 Swede 3.99
    9 Pole 4.4
    10 Hungarian 4.53

    My closest population is very often east german on gedmatch, due to my mixed ancestry. Good to know they are so Slavic in ancestry though, makes me feel vindicated a bit lol.

    do you have R1a percentages for lower Austria and historical Vienna region of Austria?

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    I am not su sure about the spread of slavic lands 800 AD. Some of them could have been Finnic or Baltic or a mixture.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dagne View Post
    I am not su sure about the spread of slavic lands 800 AD. Some of them could have been Finnic or Baltic or a mixture.
    The ones with red dots in Russia and Belarus are mixed Slavic-Finnic or mixed Slavic-Baltic.

    Quote Originally Posted by srdceleva View Post
    Two of her grandparents from south Poland seem to be ethnic germans and have german names.
    I'm not sure if Gubernat is a surname of German origin. But it is common in Southern Poland.

    Surnames of the Tarnów region: http://www.mmtarnow.com/2012/07/hist...h-czyli-o.html

    Distribution of surname Gubernat: http://www.moikrewni.pl/mapa/kompletny/gubernat.html

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    Syky, I made my own search and found 3 more ethnic Czechs who are not in your sample of 15.

    GEDmatch kit T406334
    GEDmatch kit T129685
    GEDmatch kit T972882

    I'm not sure if they are fully Czech, but they have Czech surnames. You can verify this, I guess.

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