Italians of the Diaspora

I find Venetian more understandable than other northern Italian languages.





This is an example of dialetto pontremolese, it's uber gallo-italic, even in northern Italy it is increasingly rare to find people who speaks such a strong dialect. The guy is from Pontremoli but is he fully native of Pontremoli? Because one of the surnames sounds Piedmontese, the other is both Lombard and Emilian








I have grandparents from different areas of Italy, I cover the whole country.

I posted that video on another thread. From what he says, he grew up in the shadow of the Piagnaro, and he's speaking to a group of Pontremolesi, so this is his dialect, the dialect of Pontremoli, whether or not he might have an ancestor from furthern north.

This is another example of Pontremolese:


This is the dialect of the slightly more southern part of the valley, near Liciana Nardi, and my mother's Bagnone.

Collecchia:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqfSW48RsV8

Ninna Nanna:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtw9uSSxIGA&list=PLW0GdsvlVOzjPiMwgr-eyz7N8s7oQNp_5

Filastrocca:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=soKtJmImYTs&list=PLW0GdsvlVOzjPiMwgr-eyz7N8s7oQNp_5

Zucchero sings with Bugelli occassionally during the summers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFJNtjJlH08


This is the dialect of Sarzana, just over the border in Liguria.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vuh29plPPts

Spezzino:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlN1g09Elfk&t=9s


As for parmigiano...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_a8zjY6bBk

The language of the Veneto is easier to understand than any of them, imo.

We won't even get into Zenese. :)


@Regio,

For your father...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j57VMotWCx0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5LC6Cl6Bdw
 
I posted that video on another thread. From what he says, he grew up in the shadow of the Piagnaro, and he's speaking to a group of Pontremolesi, so this is his dialect, the dialect of Pontremoli, whether or not he might have an ancestor from furthern north.

This is another example of Pontremolese:


This is the dialect of the slightly more southern part of the valley, near Liciana Nardi, and my mother's Bagnone.

Collecchia:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqfSW48RsV8

Ninna Nanna:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtw9uSSxIGA&list=PLW0GdsvlVOzjPiMwgr-eyz7N8s7oQNp_5

Filastrocca:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=soKtJmImYTs&list=PLW0GdsvlVOzjPiMwgr-eyz7N8s7oQNp_5

Zucchero sings with Bugelli occassionally during the summers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFJNtjJlH08


This is the dialect of Sarzana, just over the border in Liguria.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vuh29plPPts

Spezzino:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlN1g09Elfk&t=9s


As for parmigiano...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_a8zjY6bBk

The language of the Veneto is easier to understand than any of them, imo.

We won't even get into Zenese. :)


@Regio,

For your father...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j57VMotWCx0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5LC6Cl6Bdw

This just came up on my feed. Just had to share....Partigiano to video of the Gladiator...:)

 
You guys have even more dialects than Greeks.
 
You guys have even more dialects than Greeks.

Well, that's about 200 kilometers and in the old days, some of it was by mule trains over the Appennines, so....

It's three different political regions too: Parma (Emilia), Liguria, and Toscana.

Still, I didn't even include all of them, like the dialect of Fivizzano in east, which is really Tuscan, and the ones to the west of the River Magra, which are much more Ligurian.

Worse than Greece? :)

They're all dying out though; only the old people still speak them regularly. The young ones may do it to have a laugh, but not for real life.
 
Thanks again for the videos. I've been learning abt. Italy a lot here with knowledgeble Italians like you. Thanks for that.
I'll watch them carefully, little by little, as time and circumstances allow. But I already saw the Muti's Va Pensiero. Awe-inspiring. It maked me shive for a second time with a small interval, which is not common . :)
Regarding Italian language, I remember of when we were in an "interview" for the Italian citizenship, the last stage before the conclusion of the process. In certain moment my father and the interviewer were talking somewhat informally, and then Dante arrived. My father started reciting the beginning of Divina Commedia by heart, in Italian, and then the interviewer followed him. At the end, the interviewer was near to say: "hey, here is your citizenship". Lol
I agree that the current hymn is in the right place. I like to hear it also in soccer games, a capella or not. It can be breathtaking.
This one is good:
https://youtu.be/mT6ApDSKl7s
Some of these Rugby players really got emotive, je je:
https://youtu.be/NAZ7iFji2s4
Italian hymn is one of the most beautiful imo, together with Brazilian, French, and even American, English and Russian. Maybe the German too (also very beautiful).
As for coffee, a friend Brazilian, living in Seattle, explained me that the "problem" with the American coffee is the way it's ground, the thicker granularity, which generally results in a too weak beverage. So never mind the amount of ground coffee in the filter, supposedly. Anyway, if they like it, who am I to say them how to do it? Still, it seems dirty water to me. :)
a translator
https://glosbe.com/en/vec/today
 
Both sides both my Dads family come from Campania. Picture includes Grandparents and Great Grandfathers.

Surname - Location
My Grandmothers family (Traditional Food: Stuffed Artichoke)
DiGiacomo - Candida, Avellino / Jamaca Plains, MA
Baldasaro - "Naples" / Bellows Falls, Vt
Marino - ? / Bellows Falls, Vt

Grandfathers Family (Traditional Food: Eggplant)
Salerno - "Salerno"? / Revere, MA
Zizza - ? / Revere, MA
Zetto? - ?
Rivello? - ?
Faniglette? - ?
 

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Both sides both my Dads family come from Campania. Picture includes Grandparents and Great Grandfathers.

Surname - Location
My Grandmothers family (Traditional Food: Stuffed Artichoke)
DiGiacomo - Candida, Avellino / Jamaca Plains, MA
Baldasaro - "Naples" / Bellows Falls, Vt
Marino - ? / Bellows Falls, Vt

Grandfathers Family (Traditional Food: Eggplant)
Salerno - "Salerno"? / Revere, MA
Zizza - ? / Revere, MA
Zetto? - ?
Rivello? - ?
Faniglette? - ?

Zizza
http://www.gens.info/italia/it/turi...=cognomi&cognome=Zizza&x=26&y=16#.XL4UtOhKhPY


Zetto:
http://www.gens.info/italia/it/turi...=cognomi&cognome=Zizza&x=26&y=16#.XL4UtOhKhPY

Rivello:
http://www.gens.info/italia/it/turi...=cognomi&cognome=Rivello&x=0&y=0#.XL4VH-hKhPY

Faniglette:This may be spelled incorrectly
http://www.gens.info/italia/it/turi...gnomi&cognome=Faniglette&x=0&y=0#.XL4VqOhKhPY

There are Ferrarelli in Avellino, but that's pretty different.

Quite an attractive couple. Her waist is so tiny: it's covered by her bouquet. :)
 
From Oct 2018. Saw it just now.
"Diaspora" at school:
https://www.corriere.it/sette/mano-...ti-d373c390-c58c-11e8-994e-6382a2ca0409.shtml
~5.459.000 Venetians... Wow! That's an invaluable (what we could call) "human capital".
http://www.bassano.eu/Lingua-Veneta-Nomi.htm
my grandmother, father and 29 year old cousin from Venice proper ( last month visitor ) all used the language
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in link there is Jijo name for Luigi ...............pronounced yee..yo
my great great grandfather Luigi ( known as Jijo ) below born 1853 with one of his daughters Rosa born 1881 and 2 of her daughters elisabetta b 1910 and Clelia b 1912
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http://www.bassano.eu/Lingua-Veneta-Nomi.htm
my grandmother, father and 29 year old cousin from Venice proper ( last month visitor ) all used the language
Very nice, Zanipolo.
Are you related to Sile?

As for diaspora, I just saw that the Prime Minister of Slovakia, Peter Pellegrini, has Italian roots (as also the Brazilian president Jair Bolsonaro - originally Bolzonaro, from RO/PD):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Pellegrini
(so Peter's great-grandfather, Leopoldo Pellegrini)
 
Very nice, Zanipolo.
Are you related to Sile?
As for diaspora, I just saw that the Prime Minister of Slovakia, Peter Pellegrini, has Italian roots (as also the Brazilian president Jair Bolsonaro - originally Bolzonaro, from RO/PD):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Pellegrini
(so Peter's great-grandfather, Leopoldo Pellegrini)
Sile is my father .................his account does not work anymore after he had to reinstall windows 10
I let him use my account sometimes, but he is not allowed to vote.
He is also looking after his 2 grandsons ( my brothers children ), sometimes.....so he does not have much time anymore
 
Sile is my father .................his account does not work anymore after he had to reinstall windows 10
I let him use my account sometimes, but he is not allowed to vote.
He is also looking after his 2 grandsons ( my brothers children ), sometimes.....so he does not have much time anymore
Cool. So nice to "meet" you. :)
Send Sile my best regards.
Cheers
 
I am an Italian-Anglo-Irish mix. Both of my paternal grandparents were born in Caria di Drapia, a small farming village on the slopes of Monte Poro, overlooking the Tyrrhenian Sea, with Stromboli in the distance. Down until the end of the Napoleonic era the area was dominated & ruled by the noble families of Tropea, a "free city" perhaps best conceived as miniature Venice of the South.

So far as I know my ancestors lived as small freeholders on the Poro dating back at least until 1400, forming marriages with other families of the "Casali di Tropea." An agricultural crisis in the early 19th century left them desperate, however, and for a few generations they participated in the settlement of San Ferdinando, which involved draining malarial swamps to create the rich citrus groves that exist today, before returning to Caria by century's end. See http://www.tropeamagazine.it/sanferdinando

In the 1920s my grandfather emigrated to Ambler, Pennsylvania, to work at Keasbey & Mattison, the world's largest asbestos manufacturer, discussed at length by Gay Talese in "Unto the Sons."

I am now applying for Italian citizenship via my father's mother, who never naturalized. The process is expected to take 2.5 years, which should be enough time for me to acquire a reasonable knowledge of the language. I would like to return to Italy and start a family (assuming I am not too old, a sad biological possibility), hopefully in the city of Reggio.

On Drapia in general (in Italian) =

Brattiro circa 1960s =

Sagra della 'Nduja -- Spilinga 1986

The Coast of the Gods 1983 =

The Aura of the Work of Art =
 
Very nice.

Have you ever had "Nduja? It's delicious, but very hot. American chefs have recently caught on to it. In fact, it was just recently featured on a video at Bon Appetit where they put it on pizza. Jamie Oliver has a recipe for pasta using it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64mj4oR-0yw



I'm not a big fan of this recipe, however. English made "Nduja? It looks all wrong. Plus, you have to blanch the cime di rapa for a few minutes before frying, and parmigiano is the WRONG cheese for something this spicy.
 
Have you ever had "Nduja?

Alienated and declasse person that I am, existing on the fringes of society, I of course just happen to manage an Italian restaurant. We used to have a retail counter, manned by a Sardinian gentleman trained in the art of slicing & arranging tissue-thin prosciutto, and 'nduja was among the products on offer. Unfortunately the retail counter was not a viable proposition, very hard to compete with the Eataly's and Citarella's of the world, and once the Sardinian abruptly quit in a tizzy, the counter lost its raison d'etat.

However, in conducting online genealogical research (in truth "hopping" onto other people's research), I discovered that my family inter-married several times in the 1800s with the Barbalace clan, whose patriarch Pasquale Barbalace, of the village of Carciadi (separated by a moat from Spilinga), was the very first settler of San Ferdinando. Accordingly, I googled Barbalace to see what I could learn of them, and this is what I discovered = https://njmonthly.com/articles/eat-drink/table-hopping/rosarios-butcher-shop-nduja/
 
Wow. That makes you alienated and declasse? In New York????
 
The Altamuran Revolution (Italian: Rivoluzione di Altamura, also Rivoluzione altamurana) was a three month period of self-government of Italian town Altamura, right after the birth of the Parthenopean Republic (23 January 1799) which ousted the Bourbons and the Kingdom of Naples. The city of the Kingdom of Naples was then defeated and taken by the so-called Sanfedisti, led by cardinal Fabrizio Ruffo, after a battle on the city walls. After being defeated, most Altamurans managed to flee from porta Bari, one of Altamura's main gates.


In February 1799, the news that the king had fled to Palermo arrived in Altamura. Altamura population then reorganized and embraced the ideals propagated by the French Revolution. The Liberty Tree was also planted in what it was then called piazza del mercato (today it's called piazza Duomo). In the meantime, the Sanfedisti,led by the cardinal Fabrizio Ruffo, were getting closer and closer, determined to restore the Kingdom of Naples and the Bourbons dynasty. Sanfedisti left Matera and arrived at the gates of Altamura on 9 May 1799. Altamura had already fixed everything before the battle, by closing the secondary city gates, fusing the church bells in order to make new cannons and preparing ammunition. On 9 May, the battle took place, but soon Altamurans ran off of ammunition and they started to shoot coins. This let the enemy realize that the situation inside the city was critical and that they wouldn't last for long. On the night of 9 May 1799, most Altamurans managed to escape from porta Bari (perhaps accidentally or thanks to Ruffo unbeknown to his troops). On the morning of 10 May, Sanfedisti entered Altamura, sacking and slaughtering an unknown number of Altamurans who had remained there. The stay of Sanfedisti and Ruffo inside the city lasted 14 days, during which Altamurans gradually returned and some of them were killed or imprisoned. By the end of May 1799, the situation had already normalized and Altamura had returned under the full control of the Kingdom of Naples.


The number of deaths among Sanfedisti has been estimated at around 1,400 people, but it is not clear how many Altamurans were killed. Some historians estimated the losses among Altamurans from about forty to a hundred people, while other historians suggested that many Altamurans and Neapolitan Jacobin people from other cities may have been counted as Sanfedisti. In this case, the death toll among Altamurans and Parthenopean Republicans would be much higher.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altamuran_Revolution

Here's an interesting snippet of history I read about my father's town. They tried to start an uprising in 1799 based on the ideals of the French Revolution. Goes to show that despite centuries of foreign-feudalism, there were Italians in the South that wanted to create a new state based on freedom and liberty.
 

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