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    Post your Basal-rich K7 and Global10 Results

    Post your Basal-rich K7 ADMIXTURE results here and a picture of your placement on the Global10 PCA. The most interesting info to see would be your nMonte results when modelled as a mixture of ancient and or modern populations. If you don't know how to work nMonte ask how to here and I'll tell you how.

    David Wesoloski at Eurogenes is offering people with their 23andme or AncestryDNA or FTDNA raw data Basal-rich K7($12 USD) and Global10($16 USD) results in exchange for payment via PayPal. These offers give Europeans, Middle Easterners, and South Asians the most up to date and accurate picture of who their Holocene ancestors were and at what percentages.

    You can model yourself as a mixture of any chosen populations in his Basal-rich K7 spreadsheet and his Global10 spreadsheet.

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    My results...

    Basal-rich K7
    Ancient_North_Eurasian 14.41
    Basal-rich 30.59
    East_Eurasian 2.03
    Oceanian 0.35
    Southeast_Asian 0.22
    Sub-Saharan 0.67
    Villabruna-related 51.73

    Decent fit: 49% Neolithic Anatolia, 22% Mesolithic Europe, 15% Mesolithic Russia, 11% Mesolithic Caucasus, 3% Paleolithic America. Each genome used for the fit is 10,000 years or older.
    Proxy.
    Ancestral North Eurasian: 14.6
    Basal_rich: 30
    East_Eurasian: 2.6
    Villabruna-related: 51.4

    Placement on Basal-rich K7 PCA
    Samuel2, Basal Rich K7.jpg

    My global10 coordinates.
    ,PC1,PC2,PC3,PC4,PC5,PC6,PC7,PC8,PC9,PC10
    Samuel_Andrews:Samuel_Andrews,0.0161,0.0248,0,-0.0252,-0.0031,0.0211,0.0184,-0.0039,-0.0045,-0.0041

    My placement on the global10 PCA.
    Samuel, Global10.jpg

    nMonte results.
    @D=0.004436
    "Barcin_Neolithic:Avg" 39.1
    "Villabruna:I9030" 25.4
    "Satsurblia:SATP" 19.85
    "Karelia_HG:I0061" 11.4
    "Samara_HG:I0124" 2
    "Levant_Neolithic:Avg" 1.7
    "Clovis:Anzick" 0.5
    "Iran_Neolithic:I1290" 0.05
    "Kotias:KK1" 0
    "Loschbour:Loschbour" 0

    @D=0.003478
    Steppe=29%
    "Yamnaya_Samara:Avg" 29.4

    MN=29%
    "Esperstedt_MN:I0172" 24.2
    "Iceman_MN:Iceman" 13.25
    "Salzmuende_MN:I0551" 1.75
    "Iberia_MN:Avg" 0

    Extra WHG=15%
    "Villabruna:I9030" 15.05
    "Loschbour:Loschbour" 0


    Mid East=15%
    "Levant_Neolithic:Avg" 7.4
    "Satsurblia:SATP" 6.85
    "Iran_Neolithic:I1290" 0.9
    "Kotias:KK1" 0


    Ameridian=1.2%
    "Clovis:Anzick" 1.2




    "Iberia_MN:Avg" 0
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    Global 10 PCA
    A CHG/EEF admixed zombie is being sucked out in every result. Eventually we'll get ancient DNA documentation of a pre-historic Bronze age West Asian migration to Southern Europe.

    Italian_Tuscan
    @D=0.001721
    "Norwegian" 30.95
    "Kotias:KK1" 20.45
    "Baalberge_MN:I0559" 19.1
    "Levant_Neolithic:I0867" 17.4
    "Iberia_MN:I0408" 9.25
    "Baalberge_MN:I0560" 2.4
    "Iberia_MN:I0406" 0.2
    "Iran_Neolithic:I1945" 0.2
    "Clovis:Anzick" 0.05
    "Salzmuende_MN:I0551" 0
    "Esperstedt_MN:I0172" 0
    "Iberia_MN:I0405" 0
    "Iberia_MN:I0407" 0
    "Iceman_MN:Iceman" 0
    "Iran_Neolithic:I1290" 0
    "Iran_Neolithic:WC1" 0
    "Loschbour:Loschbour" 0

    Macedonian
    "Norwegian" 51.45
    "Baalberge_MN:I0560" 19.2
    "Kotias:KK1" 15.75
    "Esperstedt_MN:I0172" 8.3
    "Levant_Neolithic:I0867" 5.05
    "Salzmuende_MN:I0551" 0.2
    "Baalberge_MN:I0559" 0.05
    "Iberia_MN:I0405" 0
    "Iberia_MN:I0406" 0
    "Iberia_MN:I0407" 0
    "Iberia_MN:I0408" 0
    "Iceman_MN:Iceman" 0
    "Iran_Neolithic:I1290" 0
    "Iran_Neolithic:I1945" 0
    "Iran_Neolithic:WC1" 0
    "Clovis:Anzick" 0
    "Loschbour:Loschbour" 0

    Croatian
    "Norwegian" 73.15
    "Salzmuende_MN:I0551" 12.9
    "Kotias:KK1" 7
    "Baalberge_MN:I0560" 2.95
    "Baalberge_MN:I0559" 2.4
    "Iran_Neolithic:I1945" 0.85
    "Iran_Neolithic:WC1" 0.6
    "Levant_Neolithic:I0867" 0.15
    "Esperstedt_MN:I0172" 0
    "Iberia_MN:I0405" 0
    "Iberia_MN:I0406" 0
    "Iberia_MN:I0407" 0
    "Iberia_MN:I0408" 0
    "Iceman_MN:Iceman" 0
    "Iran_Neolithic:I1290" 0
    "Clovis:Anzick" 0

    Basque_French
    @D=0.001511
    "Norwegian" 37.65
    "Iberia_MN:I0408" 29.45
    "Baalberge_MN:I0559" 17.95
    "Kotias:KK1" 8.2
    "Loschbour:Loschbour" 6
    "Iberia_MN:I0406" 0.75
    "Salzmuende_MN:I0551" 0
    "Baalberge_MN:I0560" 0
    "Esperstedt_MN:I0172" 0
    "Iberia_MN:I0405" 0
    "Iberia_MN:I0407" 0
    "Iceman_MN:Iceman" 0
    "Iran_Neolithic:I1290" 0
    "Iran_Neolithic:I1945" 0
    "Iran_Neolithic:WC1" 0
    "Levant_Neolithic:I0867" 0
    "Clovis:Anzick" 0

    Spanish_Aragon
    @D=0.001194
    "Norwegian" 45.95
    "Iberia_MN:I0408" 19.35
    "Iberia_MN:I0405" 11.6
    "Baalberge_MN:I0560" 7.65
    "Levant_Neolithic:I0867" 6.85
    "Kotias:KK1" 3.95
    "Iran_Neolithic:I1945" 3.6
    "Baalberge_MN:I0559" 0.65
    "Iceman_MN:Iceman" 0.3
    "Loschbour:Loschbour" 0.1
    "Salzmuende_MN:I0551" 0
    "Esperstedt_MN:I0172" 0
    "Iberia_MN:I0406" 0
    "Iberia_MN:I0407" 0
    "Iran_Neolithic:I1290" 0
    "Iran_Neolithic:WC1" 0
    "Clovis:Anzick" 0

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    Modelling Iberia_BA:ATP9

    Global10 models ATP9 as having Steppe ancestry.

    This is especially interesting because that Bell Beaker individual belonged to R1b-DF27.

    Iberia_BA:ATP9
    @D=0.003079
    "Iberia_MN:I0408" 43
    "Bell_Beaker_Germany:I0806" 23.35
    "Iceman_MN:Iceman" 15.3
    "Iberia_MN:I0405" 6.45
    "Loschbour:Loschbour" 6.4
    "Kotias:KK1" 5.4
    "Iran_Neolithic:I1945" 0.1

    A result for an indvidual who lived in Spain about 1,000 years earlier. 0% Bell Beaker vs 23% Bell Beaker.

    Iberia_Chalcolithic:ATP16
    @D=0.001204
    "Iberia_MN:I0405" 51.85
    "Salzmuende_MN:I0551" 19.2
    "Baalberge_MN:I0560" 11.65
    "Levant_Neolithic:I0867" 8.4
    "Iberia_MN:I0407" 6.4
    "Loschbour:Loschbour" 2.5
    "Bell_Beaker_Germany:I0806" 0

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    You really have got to be kidding. Results with ancient genomes plus NORWEGIAN? If you're going to use ancient genomes, use them, don't mix them together with moderns for goodness' sakes.

    This is what people are being asked to pay for?


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    Instead of modern Norwegians he could use ancient Scandinavians (RISE61, 71, 94, 97, 98, 174).

    Some of these Scandinavians have "Norwegian" first in Single Population Sharing on GEDmatch.

    I don't remember which ones are "Norwegian", but I will give you their GEDmatch kit numbers:

    Gedmatch / Sample / Dating / Country

    F999956 / RISE94 / 2621-2472 BC / Sweden
    M130094 / RISE61 / 2650-2300 BC / Denmark
    F999941 / RISE98 / 2275-2032 BC / Sweden
    M671253 / RISE71 / 2196-2023 BC / Denmark
    F999945 / RISE97 / 2025-1885 BC / Sweden
    F999943 / RISE174 / 427-611 AD / Sweden

    Here their Eurogenes K15 scores (and average):

    http://i.imgur.com/eD9Uy0g.png


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    I'll post results using only ancient DNA later. I think next I'll use the Bronze age R1b-U152-L2 German as a proxy for Gauls, which can give interesting results. He's pretty similar to modern French.

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    I'm glad that Eurogene is putting the results up for sale, however has Davidski ever discovered who Mr and Mrs Basal-Eurasian are? If so, what archeological culture did Mr. And Mrs Basal come from? And for Global10, what does the PC numbers mean?

    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    You really have got to be kidding. Results with ancient genomes plus NORWEGIAN? If you're going to use ancient genomes, use them, don't mix them together with moderns for goodness' sakes.

    This is what people are being asked to pay for?
    Totally agree with Angela, if you are going to make an accurate genetic analysis the genomes need to be at least roughly the same time period otherwise the test would be thrown off keister. I'm afraid DMonte needs some editing before I can feel comfortable is calling the test accurate

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    Germany_BA is more MN admixed than most French. So there was lots more admixture with MN after/during Bell Beaker.
    Barcin_Neolithic:Avg Loschbour:Loschbour Kotias:KK1 Iran_Neolithic:Avg Levant_Neolithic:Avg Bell_Beaker_Germany:Avg
    Germany_Bronze_Age:RISE471 36.7 9.3 2 0 0 52 0.005861
    French_East 23.55 8.95 6.05 0 0 61.45 0.003885
    French_South 30.35 13.1 0 1.9 3.3 51.35 0.00343
    German 4.9 4.75 0 0 0 90.35 0.003671
    Iberia_BA:ATP9 50.35 21.45 0 2.9 1 24.3 0.005115


    Modern French and Dutch can be fit as a mixture of German_BA and Nordic LBA/IA. If German-speakers came from IA/BA Scandinavia this is a realistic test; BA Central Europe(Celts?)+BA Scandinavia(Germans?).

    German Nordic_IA:RISE174 Nordic_LBA:RISE276 Barcin_Neolithic:Avg evant_Neolithic:Avg" Kotias:KK1
    French_East 48.5 32.35 9.3 6.65 0 3.2 0.003554
    French_East 65.5 22.3 8.5 -- 0 3.7 0.0037
    Dutch 0 42.35 47.85 8.4 0 1.4 0.004987
    Dutch 21.45 29.6 46.9 -- 0 2.05 0.005176

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    Fire Haired,

    If you want to compare with my results ( Norman= NW French)


    "Iberia_Chalcolithic:I1284" 17.45
    "Yamnaya_Samara:I0441" 17.45
    "Salzmuende_MN:I0551" 14.25
    "Loschbour:Loschbour" 13.5
    "LBK_EN:I0048" 10.85
    "Iberia_Chalcolithic:I1303" 10.45
    "Afanasievo:RISE507" 7.7
    "Satsurblia:SATP" 6.15
    "Yamnaya_Samara:I0429" 2.2

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    Quote Originally Posted by Helgenes View Post
    Fire Haired,

    If you want to compare with my results ( Norman= NW French)

    66% Neo/Meso European
    "Iberia_Chalcolithic:I1284" 17.45
    "Iberia_Chalcolithic:I1303" 10.45
    "Salzmuende_MN:I0551" 14.25
    "Loschbour:Loschbour" 13.5
    "LBK_EN:I0048" 10.85

    27% Chalcolithic Steppe
    "Yamnaya_Samara:I0441" 17.45
    "Afanasievo:RISE507" 7.7
    "Yamnaya_Samara:I0429" 2.2


    6% Paleo Caucasus
    "Satsurblia:SATP" 6.15
    Our results are pretty similar. You should compare yourself to Germany_Bronze_Age:RISE471. He *might* be similar to Bronze age French.

    58% Meso/Neo European.
    "Iberia_Chalcolithic:I1303" 56.25
    "Loschbour:Loschbour" 1.9

    31% Chalcolithic Steppe
    "Yamnaya_Samara:I0441" 15.5
    "Yamnaya_Samara:I0429" 13.25
    "Afanasievo:RISE507" 2.3

    7% Paleo Caucasus
    "Satsurblia:SATP" 7.15

    4% Native American
    "Clovis:Anzick" 3.65




    "Iberia_Chalcolithic:I1284" 0
    "Salzmuende_MN:I0551" 0
    "LBK_EN:I0048" 0

    I think these Global10 results are the best for Europeans...

    My results...
    "Barcin_Neolithic:Avg" 43.25
    "Yamnaya:Avg" 34.55
    "Loschbour:Loschbour" 18.15
    "Iran_Neolithic:Avg" 3.4
    "Clovis:Anzick" 0.65
    "Kotias:KK1" 0
    "Levant_Neolithic:Avg" 0

    "Barcin_Neolithic:Avg" 40.5
    "Loschbour:Loschbour" 23.95
    "Satsurblia:SATP" 18.5
    "Samara_HG:I0124" 12.3
    "Karelia_HG:I0061" 1.75
    "Iran_Neolithic:Avg" 1.55
    "Levant_Neolithic:Avg" 0.8
    "Clovis:Anzick" 0.65
    "Kotias:KK1" 0

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fire Haired14 View Post
    Our results are pretty similar. You should compare yourself to Germany_Bronze_Age:RISE471. He *might* be similar to Bronze age French.

    58% Meso/Neo European.
    "Iberia_Chalcolithic:I1303" 56.25
    "Loschbour:Loschbour" 1.9

    31% Chalcolithic Steppe
    "Yamnaya_Samara:I0441" 15.5
    "Yamnaya_Samara:I0429" 13.25
    "Afanasievo:RISE507" 2.3

    7% Paleo Caucasus
    "Satsurblia:SATP" 7.15

    4% Native American
    "Clovis:Anzick" 3.65




    "Iberia_Chalcolithic:I1284" 0
    "Salzmuende_MN:I0551" 0
    "LBK_EN:I0048" 0

    I think these Global10 results are the best for Europeans...

    My results...
    "Barcin_Neolithic:Avg" 43.25
    "Yamnaya:Avg" 34.55
    "Loschbour:Loschbour" 18.15
    "Iran_Neolithic:Avg" 3.4
    "Clovis:Anzick" 0.65
    "Kotias:KK1" 0
    "Levant_Neolithic:Avg" 0

    "Barcin_Neolithic:Avg" 40.5
    "Loschbour:Loschbour" 23.95
    "Satsurblia:SATP" 18.5
    "Samara_HG:I0124" 12.3
    "Karelia_HG:I0061" 1.75
    "Iran_Neolithic:Avg" 1.55
    "Levant_Neolithic:Avg" 0.8
    "Clovis:Anzick" 0.65
    "Kotias:KK1" 0
    By running 4Mix Multi, the results are very similar to those of nMonte, but rounded.


    Here’s what I get for BA Germany:RISE471



    Barcin 56
    Loschbour 17
    Yamnaya_ Samara 27


    French South


    Barcin 54
    Loschbour 20
    Yamnaya_ Samara 26


    Me ( Norman)


    Barcin 45
    Loschbour 22
    Yamnaya_ Samara 33

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    Steppe/WHG ancestry is comparably high in most of Greece and drops dramatically in most of Turkey. CHG/Iran Neo ancestry is comparably high in most of Turkey and drops dramatically in most of Greece.

    The Kayseri province in Central Turkey has the highest Steppe/WHG even though it doesn't border Greece. It could be Gaulish ancestry.

    SE Turkey
    Turkish_Adana
    "Barcin_Neolithic:Avg" 50.35
    "Iran_Neolithic:Avg" 24.75
    "Ket" 8.75
    "Kotias:KK1" 8.1
    "Yamnaya:Avg" 6.85
    "Atayal" 1.2
    "Aeta" 0
    "Kosipe" 0
    "Levant_Neolithic:Avg" 0
    "Sintashta:Avg" 0
    "Karelia_HG:I0061" 0
    "Loschbour:Loschbour" 0

    Agean Turkey
    Turkish_Aydin
    "Barcin_Neolithic:Avg" 50.5
    "Iran_Neolithic:Avg" 19.3
    "Kotias:KK1" 12.6
    "Ket" 10.75
    "Sintashta:Avg" 3.1
    "Yamnaya:Avg" 1.95
    "Atayal" 1.7
    "Kosipe" 0.1
    "Aeta" 0
    "Levant_Neolithic:Avg" 0
    "Karelia_HG:I0061" 0
    "Loschbour:Loschbour" 0

    Agean Turkey
    Turkish_Balikesir
    "Barcin_Neolithic:Avg" 36
    "Kotias:KK1" 19.35
    "Ket" 13.2
    "Yamnaya:Avg" 8.25
    "Iran_Neolithic:Avg" 8.05
    "Levant_Neolithic:Avg" 7.35
    "Atayal" 3.85
    "Sintashta:Avg" 3.85
    "Kosipe" 0.1
    "Aeta" 0
    "Karelia_HG:I0061" 0
    "Loschbour:Loschbour" 0

    Agean turkey
    Turkish_Istanbul
    "Barcin_Neolithic:Avg" 44.35
    "Kotias:KK1" 16
    "Iran_Neolithic:Avg" 15.15
    "Yamnaya:Avg" 10.75
    "Ket" 9.9
    "Atayal" 3.25
    "Levant_Neolithic:Avg" 0.45
    "Kosipe" 0.1
    "Sintashta:Avg" 0.05
    "Aeta" 0
    "Karelia_HG:I0061" 0
    "Loschbour:Loschbour" 0

    Central Turkey
    Turkish_Kayseri
    "Barcin_Neolithic:Avg" 49
    "Sintashta:Avg" 21.4
    "Iran_Neolithic:Avg" 11.85
    "Levant_Neolithic:Avg" 9.4
    "Kotias:KK1" 6.45
    "Ket" 1.55
    "Atayal" 0.2
    "Kosipe" 0.15
    "Aeta" 0
    "Yamnaya:Avg" 0
    "Karelia_HG:I0061" 0
    "Loschbour:Loschbour" 0

    With South German Bronze age genome, maybe our best proxy for Gauls.

    Turkish_Kayseri
    "Germany_Bronze_Age:RISE471" 44
    "Levant_Neolithic:Avg" 33
    "Kotias:KK1" 20.7
    "Iran_Neolithic:Avg" 2.15
    "Barcin_Neolithic:Avg" 0.15
    "Aeta" 0
    "Atayal" 0
    "Kosipe" 0
    "Ket" 0

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    Late Neolithic Greece. A little CHG.
    Greece_LN:Klei10
    "Barcin_Neolithic:Avg" 82.25
    "Kotias:KK1" 10
    "Levant_Neolithic:Avg" 2.85
    "Loschbour:Loschbour" 2.7
    "Atayal" 1.55
    "Iran_Neolithic:Avg" 0.65
    "Aeta" 0
    "Kosipe" 0
    "Yamnaya:Avg" 0
    "Ket" 0
    "Clovis:Anzick" 0

    Compared to Anatolia Chalcolithic.
    Anatolia_Chalcolithic:I1584
    "Barcin_Neolithic:Avg" 51.95
    "Kotias:KK1" 25.2
    "Iran_Neolithic:Avg" 7.95
    "Yamnaya:Avg" 7.45
    "Levant_Neolithic:Avg" 7.1
    "Ket" 0.35
    "Aeta" 0
    "Atayal" 0
    "Kosipe" 0
    "Loschbour:Loschbour" 0
    "Clovis:Anzick" 0

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    Decent fits for the Balkans using only ancient genomes....

    Balkaners fit well as Bronze age Hungary+Chalcolithic Hungary+Bronze age Germany+A dose of ancient Middle East.
    Hungarian
    "Halberstadt_LBA:I0099" 40.75
    "Hungary_BA:I1504" 32.4
    "Hungary_BA:I1502" 9.95
    "Hungary_CA:I1497" 7.05
    "Udmurt" 4.1
    "Kotias:KK1" 3.65
    "Chuvash" 2.1

    Serbian
    "Hungary_BA:I1504" 31.4
    "Halberstadt_LBA:I0099" 26.8
    "Hungary_CA:I1497" 20.1
    "Hungary_IA:IR1" 11.25
    "Kotias:KK1" 5.85
    "Levant_Neolithic:Avg" 1.45
    "Iran_Neolithic:Avg" 1.3
    "Udmurt" 1.2
    "Vatya:RISE247" 0.65

    Bosnian
    "Halberstadt_LBA:I0099" 39.15
    "Vatya:RISE483" 27
    "Vatya:RISE479" 11.65
    "Vatya:RISE247" 11.55
    "Iran_Neolithic:Avg" 9.4
    "Hungary_CA:I1497" 1.25

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    My results:

    K7
    Ancient_North_Eurasian 16.58
    Basal-rich 24.59
    East_Eurasian 0
    Oceanian 0
    Southeast_Asian 0.1
    Sub-Saharan 0
    Villabruna-related 58.73

    Global 10
    ,PC1,PC2,PC3,PC4,PC5,PC6,PC7,PC8,PC9,PC10
    0.0194,0.0274,0.0008,-0.0402,-0.0066,0.0213,0.0323,0.0032,-0.0063,0.0002

    According to the analysis of Onur (with thanks!)
    Norwegian 60.55
    Dutch 29.50
    Corded_Ware_Germany: 9.95

    Anyone who can make more out of it, be my guest Fire Haided or Tomenable? Or anyone with more basic whiz kid abilities than I have ;) (on my mac nMonte is unfortunately even more a hell for me)
    I would be grateful!

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    And an add based on the analysis from David:

    Based on the K7 output you're closest to German Bell Beakers, and the closest Bell Beaker to you on the K7 plot is I0108.


    Rhine Beakers will probably come out very similar to German Bell Beakers, so I think the result makes sense.


    However, based on the Global 10 datasheet, which has more Nordic LN samples than the K7 sheet, this is how you come out.

    Nordic_LN 64.2
    Bell_Beaker_Germany 35.8
    Corded_Ware_Germany 0.0
    Unetice_EBA 0.0


    But again, it makes good sense, and there's not very much difference between the Nordic LN samples and most German Beakers.

    What does this say about your question Fire Haired:

    "Modern French and Dutch can be fit as a mixture of German_BA and Nordic LBA/IA. If German-speakers came from IA/BA Scandinavia this is a realistic test; BA Central Europe(Celts?)+BA Scandinavia(Germans?)"

    Still many question marks for me.....

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    On the basis of these results let me give my assumption.
    I think the crucial thing in my aDNA is the influence of the Bell Beakers. Because of this basic layer in the gene pool I'am closely connected to the aDNA of especially Denmark and Western Norway and definitely not to more central parts of Europe.
    First of all the analyses of David from Eurogenes. He stated:
    'I may have discovered an interesting pattern in the Allentoft et al. data. It seems that during the Late Neolithic/Bronze Age, Scandinavia was populated by two somewhat different populations; one characterized by Y-Chromosome haplogroup R1b and a genome-wide genetic structure typical of present-day Northwestern Europeans, and another by Y-Chromosome haplogroup R1a and a relatively more eastern genome-wide genetic profile.'
    I guess the Bell Beakers are in this case a key figure. In an archeological study from Janusz Czebreszuk Similar but different Bell Beakers in Europe (2014), het makes regional differences in the Bell Beaker phenomenon. On basis of pottery styles he makes clear that the Bell Beakers of Northwestern Europe evolved out of the Corded Ware and was partly very assimilated with it. C.S. Coon did already talk about a Zoned Beaker (CW+BB) in his Races of Europe (1946).
    I's clear that these 'Zoned Beakers' influenced the whole area around the North Sea. Wiki:
    " The Beaker group in northern Jutland forms an integrated part of the western European Beaker Culture, while western Jutland provided a link between the Lower Rhine area and northern Jutland. The local fine-ware pottery of Beaker derivation reveal links with other Beaker regions in western Europe, most specifically the Veluwe group at the Lower Rhine. Concurrent introduction of metallurgy shows that some people must have crossed cultural boundaries. Danish Beakers are contemporary with the earliest Early Bronze Age (EBA) of the East Group of Bell Beakers in central Europe, and with the floruit of Beaker cultures of the West Group in western Europe. The latter comprise Veluwe and Epi-Maritime in Continental northwestern Europe and the Middle Style Beakers (Style 2) in insular western Europe. The interaction between the Beaker groups on the Veluwe Plain and in Jutland must, at least initially, have been quite intensive. All-over ornamented (AOO) and All-over-corded (AOC), and particularly Maritime style beakers are featured, although from a fairly late context and possibly rather of Epi-maritime style, equivalent to the situation in the north of the Netherlands, where Maritime ornamentation continued after it ceased in the central region of Veluwe and were succeeded c. 2300 BC by beakers of the Veluwe and Epi-Maritime style.
    Clusters of Late Neolithic Beaker presence similar to northern Jutland appear as pockets or "islands" of Beaker Culture in northern Europe, such as Mecklenburg, Schleswig-Holstein, and southern Norway. In northern central Poland Beaker-like representations even occur in a contemporary EBA setting. The frequent occurrence of Beaker pottery in settlements points at a large-scaled form of social identity or cultural identity, or perhaps an ethnic identity."
    Or as Rokus (on the eurogenes site) quoted Sarauw (2007):'Another point of view is put forward by Vandkilde (1996, 296; 2005, 20). According to her, the Danish metal objects, supplies, and technology originated from north-western Europe, and she sees this as an indication of particularly tight bonds between the Veluwe area at the Lower Rhine and northern Jutland. This certainly seems a very convincing interpretation.'
    The Beaker culture in Jutland (2350–1950 BC) was intrusive as well as influential. Flint resources were especially distributed in Norway and western Sweden. They also maintained a separate identity. 'People of northern Jutland probably did not feel any cohesion or social identity with people elsewhere in Europe or Denmark apart from areas where tight matrimonial connections existed.'
    And by the way this had even some influences of the phenotype which did pop up at this time. This can be concluded form an older work from Prof. Kooijmans The Rhine Meuse Delta( 1974). In this work he stated that the occurrence of the planoccipital heads was an epiphenomenon of the Bell Beakers...and guess what.....my skull is indeed very planoccipital ;) ...all coincidence or not?
    Last edited by Northener; 13-02-17 at 22:23.

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    My basal rick-K7 results:
    Ancient_North_Eurasian 20.53
    Basal-rich 55.95
    East_Eurasian 1.56
    Oceanian 0.02
    Southeast_Asian 0
    Sub-Saharan 0
    Villabruna-related 21.94

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    How does one access these calculators?

    I looked on Gedmatch but can't seem to find them.

    Some assistance would be appreciated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dibran View Post
    How does one access these calculators?

    I looked on Gedmatch but can't seem to find them.

    Some assistance would be appreciated.
    Dibran it's an extra service from eurogenes, see: http://eurogenes.blogspot.nl/2016/11...-k7-andor.html


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    My results with Czech average:

    Pop:ID Me Czech:average
    Ancient_North_Eurasian 17.73 17.73
    Villabruna-related 56.16 55.9725
    Basal-rich 25.47 25.3825
    East_Eurasian 0.44 0.5175
    Oceanian 0.01 0.215
    Southeast_Asian 0.19 0.17
    Sub-Saharan 0 0.0125

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