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    2 8.33%
  • East European Plain - Northern Black Sea - Caspian Lowland ( East Europe )

    4 16.67%
  • Around the Alpide belt ( West Asia )

    13 54.17%
  • Around the Alpide belt ( Himalayas )

    5 20.83%
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    Y-DNA haplogroup
    T1a2 -Z19945..Jura
    MtDNA haplogroup
    H95a1 ..Pannoni

    Ethnic group
    North Alpine Italian
    Country: Australia



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    CL23 which is T-L446 had admixture results below....use ID for other tests
    Eurogenes places this person between hungary and Friuli
    .
    .
    Kit Num: Z909242
    Threshold of components set to 1.000
    Threshold of method set to 0.25%
    Personal data has been read. 20 approximations mode.
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    Questions about results should be sent to him at: [email protected]
    Original concept proposed by Sergey Kozlov.
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    K13 Oracle ref data revised 21 Nov 2013
    Admix Results (sorted):
    # Population Percent
    1 North_Atlantic 32.49
    2 West_Med 23.15
    3 East_Med 15.44
    4 Baltic 11.19
    5 West_Asian 10.39
    6 Red_Sea 4.00
    Finished reading population data. 204 populations found.
    13 components mode.
    --------------------------------
    Least-squares method.
    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 North_Italian @ 6.318764
    2 Spanish_Extremadura @ 10.215214
    3 Portuguese @ 10.481634
    4 Tuscan @ 10.846835
    5 Spanish_Galicia @ 11.515195
    6 Spanish_Andalucia @ 11.734688
    7 Spanish_Murcia @ 11.924896
    8 Spanish_Cataluna @ 12.378675
    9 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 12.674054
    10 Spanish_Valencia @ 12.895143
    11 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 13.278596
    12 French @ 14.579446
    13 Spanish_Cantabria @ 15.154699
    14 Spanish_Aragon @ 16.676853
    15 Italian_Abruzzo @ 16.980034
    16 Southwest_French @ 16.994125
    17 Romanian @ 17.068951
    18 Greek_Thessaly @ 17.701933
    19 West_Sicilian @ 17.886683
    20 Bulgarian @ 18.382051
    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% Italian_Abruzzo +50% Southwest_French @ 4.347123
    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% French_Basque +25% Kurdish_Jewish +25% Moldavian @ 1.880900
    Using 4 populations approximation:
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    1 French + Georgian_Jewish + Southwest_French + Southwest_French @ 1.544588
    2 Austrian + French_Basque + Kurdish_Jewish + Spanish_Cantabria @ 1.549791
    3 French + Southwest_French + Spanish_Extremadura + Turkish @ 1.550798
    4 Austrian + French_Basque + Kurdish_Jewish + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 1.569885
    5 East_German + French_Basque + Kurdish_Jewish + Spanish_Andalucia @ 1.623649
    6 French + Georgian_Jewish + Southwest_French + Spanish_Cantabria @ 1.627423
    7 Assyrian + Austrian + French_Basque + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 1.637768
    8 East_German + French_Basque + Kurdish_Jewish + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 1.684614
    9 French + Southwest_French + Spanish_Andalucia + Turkish @ 1.693494
    10 French + Southwest_French + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + Turkish @ 1.736794
    11 French + Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + Turkish @ 1.755329
    12 Assyrian + Austrian + French_Basque + Spanish_Extremadura @ 1.768628
    13 Assyrian + Austrian + French_Basque + Spanish_Andalucia @ 1.789258
    14 French + Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Extremadura + Turkish @ 1.799327
    15 Azeri + Portuguese + Southwest_French + Southwest_French @ 1.802059
    16 Austrian + French_Basque + Kurdish_Jewish + Spanish_Andalucia @ 1.810573
    17 Austrian + French_Basque + Kurdish_Jewish + Spanish_Aragon @ 1.839266
    18 Austrian + French_Basque + Kurdish_Jewish + Southwest_French @ 1.845582
    19 French + Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Cantabria + Turkish @ 1.846447
    20 Assyrian + French + Southwest_French + Southwest_French @ 1.847161
    .
    .................................................. ...........................
    ..
    .
    Kit Num: Z909242
    Threshold of components set to 1.000
    Threshold of method set to 0.25%
    Personal data has been read. 20 approximations mode.
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    The GEDmatch version of Oracle may give slightly different results from Dienekes version. The GEDmatch version uses FST weighting in its calculations.

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 Atlantic_Med 35.79
    2 North_European 24.07
    3 Caucasus 21.79
    4 Gedrosia 6.93
    5 Southwest_Asian 6.75
    6 Northwest_African 2.46
    7 East_African 1.09


    Finished reading population data. 223 populations found.
    12 components mode.

    --------------------------------

    Least-squares method.

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 N_Italian_Dodecad @ 6.093848
    2 O_Italian_Dodecad @ 7.813148
    3 North_Italian_HGDP @ 9.240507
    4 TSI30_Metspalu @ 9.336050
    5 Tuscan_HGDP @ 11.004959
    6 C_Italian_Dodecad @ 12.903599
    7 Baleares_1000Genomes @ 16.008512
    8 Galicia_1000Genomes @ 16.823957
    9 Extremadura_1000Genomes @ 17.353289
    10 Portuguese_Dodecad @ 17.928656
    11 Romanians_Behar @ 18.356617
    12 Bulgarian_Dodecad @ 18.680088
    13 Greek_Dodecad @ 18.681952
    14 Bulgarians_Yunusbayev @ 18.724812
    15 Murcia_1000Genomes @ 19.177168
    16 Canarias_1000Genomes @ 19.419041
    17 Castilla_Y_Leon_1000Genomes @ 20.094767
    18 Andalucia_1000Genomes @ 20.405411
    19 Spaniards_Behar @ 20.745586
    20 Sicilian_Dodecad @ 20.847435

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% French_Dodecad +50% Sicilian_Dodecad @ 1.859818
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    Y-DNA haplogroup
    T1a2 -Z19945
    MtDNA haplogroup
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    Ethnic group
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    Where did haplogroup T first originate ( 2nd Poll with Expanded options )

    Quote Originally Posted by Sile View Post
    CL23 which is T-L446 had admixture results below....use ID for other tests
    Eurogenes places this person between hungary and Friuli
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    Kit Num: Z909242
    Who is it? (Ma chi è?) Ancient or Contemporary?
    Anyway :) :

    #Z909242
    Regional sharing %
    1 North-Italy 27.39
    2 Portugal&GaliciaAzores 19.61
    3 Spain North&East 19.33
    4 Spain Central&South 19.02
    5 East-Balkan 14.65


    Last edited by Salento; 22-09-18 at 09:16.
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    Ethnic group
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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    Who is it? (Ma chi è?) Ancient or Contemporary?
    Anyway :) :

    #Z909242
    Regional sharing %
    1 North-Italy 27.39
    2 Portugal&GaliciaAzores 19.61
    3 Spain North&East 19.33
    4 Spain Central&South 19.02
    5 East-Balkan 14.65
    he is from the lombard paper ..............might be born in Szolad as he matches close to 3 other "hungarians" ...........died in Italy
    his HEL indicats that he is a Bulgarian
    .
    his plot is below
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    In regards to T-Z19945
    its age is roughly 1460BC by yfull
    placed in the Jura mountains.......due to age, most likely from Helvetii peoples ..........later by Swabians after the Roman disappearance
    .
    I wonder if samples where found in the Jura caves complex

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    Where did haplogroup T first originate ( 2nd Poll with Expanded options )

    Quote Originally Posted by Sile View Post
    In regards to T-Z19945 ....
    That’s interesting, (thanks Sile}
    you wrote:

    ... “T-Z19945 age is roughly 1460BC by yfull
    placed in the Jura mountains.......due to age, most likely from Helvetii peoples ..........later by Swabians after the Roman disappearance.
    I wonder if samples where found in the Jura caves complex...”...
    ————-

    I edited my original response bc I misread the dates.



    https://www.yfull.com/tree/T-Z19945*/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    That’s interesting, (thanks Sile}
    you wrote:

    ... “T-Z19945 age is roughly 1460BC by yfull
    placed in the Jura mountains.......due to age, most likely from Helvetii peoples ..........later by Swabians after the Roman disappearance.
    I wonder if samples where found in the Jura caves complex...”...
    ————-

    I edited my original response bc I misread the dates.



    https://www.yfull.com/tree/T-Z19945*/
    That is me

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sile View Post
    That is me

    Nice, I didn’t know, That’s very CooL !

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sile View Post
    CL23 which is T-L446 had admixture results below....use ID for other tests
    Eurogenes places this person between hungary and Friuli
    .
    .
    Kit Num: Z909242
    Threshold of components set to 1.000
    Threshold of method set to 0.25%
    Personal data has been read. 20 approximations mode.
    Gedmatch.Com
    Eurogenes K13 4-Ancestors Oracle
    This program is based on 4-Ancestors Oracle Version 0.96 by Alexandr Burnashev.
    Questions about results should be sent to him at: [email protected]
    Original concept proposed by Sergey Kozlov.
    Many thanks to Alexandr for helping us get this web version developed.
    K13 Oracle ref data revised 21 Nov 2013
    Admix Results (sorted):
    # Population Percent
    1 North_Atlantic 32.49
    2 West_Med 23.15
    3 East_Med 15.44
    4 Baltic 11.19
    5 West_Asian 10.39
    6 Red_Sea 4.00
    Finished reading population data. 204 populations found.
    13 components mode.
    --------------------------------
    Least-squares method.
    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 North_Italian @ 6.318764
    2 Spanish_Extremadura @ 10.215214
    3 Portuguese @ 10.481634
    4 Tuscan @ 10.846835
    5 Spanish_Galicia @ 11.515195
    6 Spanish_Andalucia @ 11.734688
    7 Spanish_Murcia @ 11.924896
    8 Spanish_Cataluna @ 12.378675
    9 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 12.674054
    10 Spanish_Valencia @ 12.895143
    11 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 13.278596
    12 French @ 14.579446
    13 Spanish_Cantabria @ 15.154699
    14 Spanish_Aragon @ 16.676853
    15 Italian_Abruzzo @ 16.980034
    16 Southwest_French @ 16.994125
    17 Romanian @ 17.068951
    18 Greek_Thessaly @ 17.701933
    19 West_Sicilian @ 17.886683
    20 Bulgarian @ 18.382051
    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% Italian_Abruzzo +50% Southwest_French @ 4.347123
    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% French_Basque +25% Kurdish_Jewish +25% Moldavian @ 1.880900
    Using 4 populations approximation:
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    1 French + Georgian_Jewish + Southwest_French + Southwest_French @ 1.544588
    2 Austrian + French_Basque + Kurdish_Jewish + Spanish_Cantabria @ 1.549791
    3 French + Southwest_French + Spanish_Extremadura + Turkish @ 1.550798
    4 Austrian + French_Basque + Kurdish_Jewish + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 1.569885
    5 East_German + French_Basque + Kurdish_Jewish + Spanish_Andalucia @ 1.623649
    6 French + Georgian_Jewish + Southwest_French + Spanish_Cantabria @ 1.627423
    7 Assyrian + Austrian + French_Basque + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 1.637768
    8 East_German + French_Basque + Kurdish_Jewish + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 1.684614
    9 French + Southwest_French + Spanish_Andalucia + Turkish @ 1.693494
    10 French + Southwest_French + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + Turkish @ 1.736794
    11 French + Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + Turkish @ 1.755329
    12 Assyrian + Austrian + French_Basque + Spanish_Extremadura @ 1.768628
    13 Assyrian + Austrian + French_Basque + Spanish_Andalucia @ 1.789258
    14 French + Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Extremadura + Turkish @ 1.799327
    15 Azeri + Portuguese + Southwest_French + Southwest_French @ 1.802059
    16 Austrian + French_Basque + Kurdish_Jewish + Spanish_Andalucia @ 1.810573
    17 Austrian + French_Basque + Kurdish_Jewish + Spanish_Aragon @ 1.839266
    18 Austrian + French_Basque + Kurdish_Jewish + Southwest_French @ 1.845582
    19 French + Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Cantabria + Turkish @ 1.846447
    20 Assyrian + French + Southwest_French + Southwest_French @ 1.847161
    .
    .................................................. ...........................
    ..
    .
    Kit Num: Z909242
    Threshold of components set to 1.000
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    Personal data has been read. 20 approximations mode.
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    Questions about results should be sent to him at: [email protected]
    Original concept proposed by Sergey Kozlov.
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    The GEDmatch version of Oracle may give slightly different results from Dienekes version. The GEDmatch version uses FST weighting in its calculations.

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 Atlantic_Med 35.79
    2 North_European 24.07
    3 Caucasus 21.79
    4 Gedrosia 6.93
    5 Southwest_Asian 6.75
    6 Northwest_African 2.46
    7 East_African 1.09


    Finished reading population data. 223 populations found.
    12 components mode.

    --------------------------------

    Least-squares method.

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 N_Italian_Dodecad @ 6.093848
    2 O_Italian_Dodecad @ 7.813148
    3 North_Italian_HGDP @ 9.240507
    4 TSI30_Metspalu @ 9.336050
    5 Tuscan_HGDP @ 11.004959
    6 C_Italian_Dodecad @ 12.903599
    7 Baleares_1000Genomes @ 16.008512
    8 Galicia_1000Genomes @ 16.823957
    9 Extremadura_1000Genomes @ 17.353289
    10 Portuguese_Dodecad @ 17.928656
    11 Romanians_Behar @ 18.356617
    12 Bulgarian_Dodecad @ 18.680088
    13 Greek_Dodecad @ 18.681952
    14 Bulgarians_Yunusbayev @ 18.724812
    15 Murcia_1000Genomes @ 19.177168
    16 Canarias_1000Genomes @ 19.419041
    17 Castilla_Y_Leon_1000Genomes @ 20.094767
    18 Andalucia_1000Genomes @ 20.405411
    19 Spaniards_Behar @ 20.745586
    20 Sicilian_Dodecad @ 20.847435

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% French_Dodecad +50% Sicilian_Dodecad @ 1.859818
    as per eurogenes...the closest sample to a Bell Beaker north italian is sample CL23

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    closest Bell beaker north italian to the lombard samples

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    Where did haplogroup T first originate ( 2nd Poll with Expanded options )

    Quote Originally Posted by Sile View Post
    closest Bell beaker north italian to the lombard samples
    A Y Haplo T1a2 (T-L446), is the closest Bell Beaker to a North Italian. (Lombard sample CL23).
    As evidenced by this data.

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    T person which has no SNP for T1 or T2 branch and is the only one in all the T haplogroup sitting solely under M184
    .
    id:YF03586 ARM............Armenia from Ghazari ( north Armenia )
    .
    .
    Only nne T person sitting only with SNP L131
    id:YF15081 ARM new ...........Armenia again
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    Area under ...........Ancient Kura-axes culture ...........ancient Hurrian peoples

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    Where did haplogroup T first originate ( 2nd Poll with Expanded options )

    Quote Originally Posted by Sile View Post
    the first paper I recall of the Ladin DNA was by Thomas in 2008, he split the german speakers and italian speakers and below is the ydna split
    GV (German, n=102): ~R1b 42%, ~G+I 25%, J 14%, R1a 9% , ~E 8%, L 2%
    ITA (Ital.speakers BZ, n=59): ~R1b 37%, ~G+I 25%, J 15%, ~E 12%, ~T 5%, R1a 3%, L 2%
    .
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17712356
    New genetic evidence supports isolation and drift in the Ladin communities of the South Tyrolean Alps but not an ancient origin in the Middle East.
    Thomas MG1, Barnes I, Weale ME, Jones AL, Forster P, Bradman N, Pramstaller PP.
    Same quote here:
    https://ipfs.io/ipfs/QmXoypizjW3WknF...up_T-M184.html

    and also says that:

    ...Y T ... probably originated around 40,000 years ago somewhere between the North European Plain and Himalayas,...

    This is big split from most websites.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sile View Post
    CL23 which is T-L446 had admixture results below....use ID for other tests
    Eurogenes places this person between hungary and Friuli
    .
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    Kit Num: Z909242
    Threshold of components set to 1.000
    Threshold of method set to 0.25%
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    Questions about results should be sent to him at: [email protected]
    Original concept proposed by Sergey Kozlov.
    Many thanks to Alexandr for helping us get this web version developed.
    K13 Oracle ref data revised 21 Nov 2013
    Admix Results (sorted):
    # Population Percent
    1 North_Atlantic 32.49
    2 West_Med 23.15
    3 East_Med 15.44
    4 Baltic 11.19
    5 West_Asian 10.39
    6 Red_Sea 4.00
    Finished reading population data. 204 populations found.
    13 components mode.
    --------------------------------
    Least-squares method.
    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 North_Italian @ 6.318764
    2 Spanish_Extremadura @ 10.215214
    3 Portuguese @ 10.481634
    4 Tuscan @ 10.846835
    5 Spanish_Galicia @ 11.515195
    6 Spanish_Andalucia @ 11.734688
    7 Spanish_Murcia @ 11.924896
    8 Spanish_Cataluna @ 12.378675
    9 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 12.674054
    10 Spanish_Valencia @ 12.895143
    11 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 13.278596
    12 French @ 14.579446
    13 Spanish_Cantabria @ 15.154699
    14 Spanish_Aragon @ 16.676853
    15 Italian_Abruzzo @ 16.980034
    16 Southwest_French @ 16.994125
    17 Romanian @ 17.068951
    18 Greek_Thessaly @ 17.701933
    19 West_Sicilian @ 17.886683
    20 Bulgarian @ 18.382051
    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% Italian_Abruzzo +50% Southwest_French @ 4.347123
    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% French_Basque +25% Kurdish_Jewish +25% Moldavian @ 1.880900
    Using 4 populations approximation:
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    1 French + Georgian_Jewish + Southwest_French + Southwest_French @ 1.544588
    2 Austrian + French_Basque + Kurdish_Jewish + Spanish_Cantabria @ 1.549791
    3 French + Southwest_French + Spanish_Extremadura + Turkish @ 1.550798
    4 Austrian + French_Basque + Kurdish_Jewish + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 1.569885
    5 East_German + French_Basque + Kurdish_Jewish + Spanish_Andalucia @ 1.623649
    6 French + Georgian_Jewish + Southwest_French + Spanish_Cantabria @ 1.627423
    7 Assyrian + Austrian + French_Basque + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 1.637768
    8 East_German + French_Basque + Kurdish_Jewish + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 1.684614
    9 French + Southwest_French + Spanish_Andalucia + Turkish @ 1.693494
    10 French + Southwest_French + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + Turkish @ 1.736794
    11 French + Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + Turkish @ 1.755329
    12 Assyrian + Austrian + French_Basque + Spanish_Extremadura @ 1.768628
    13 Assyrian + Austrian + French_Basque + Spanish_Andalucia @ 1.789258
    14 French + Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Extremadura + Turkish @ 1.799327
    15 Azeri + Portuguese + Southwest_French + Southwest_French @ 1.802059
    16 Austrian + French_Basque + Kurdish_Jewish + Spanish_Andalucia @ 1.810573
    17 Austrian + French_Basque + Kurdish_Jewish + Spanish_Aragon @ 1.839266
    18 Austrian + French_Basque + Kurdish_Jewish + Southwest_French @ 1.845582
    19 French + Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Cantabria + Turkish @ 1.846447
    20 Assyrian + French + Southwest_French + Southwest_French @ 1.847161
    .
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    ..
    .
    Kit Num: Z909242
    Threshold of components set to 1.000
    Threshold of method set to 0.25%
    Personal data has been read. 20 approximations mode.
    Gedmatch.Com
    Dodecad K12b 4-Ancestors Oracle
    This program is based on 4-Ancestors Oracle Version 0.96 by Alexandr Burnashev.
    Questions about results should be sent to him at: [email protected]
    Original concept proposed by Sergey Kozlov.
    Many thanks to Alexandr for helping us get this web version developed.
    The GEDmatch version of Oracle may give slightly different results from Dienekes version. The GEDmatch version uses FST weighting in its calculations.
    Admix Results (sorted):
    # Population Percent
    1 Atlantic_Med 35.79
    2 North_European 24.07
    3 Caucasus 21.79
    4 Gedrosia 6.93
    5 Southwest_Asian 6.75
    6 Northwest_African 2.46
    7 East_African 1.09
    Finished reading population data. 223 populations found.
    12 components mode.
    --------------------------------
    Least-squares method.
    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 N_Italian_Dodecad @ 6.093848
    2 O_Italian_Dodecad @ 7.813148
    3 North_Italian_HGDP @ 9.240507
    4 TSI30_Metspalu @ 9.336050
    5 Tuscan_HGDP @ 11.004959
    6 C_Italian_Dodecad @ 12.903599
    7 Baleares_1000Genomes @ 16.008512
    8 Galicia_1000Genomes @ 16.823957
    9 Extremadura_1000Genomes @ 17.353289
    10 Portuguese_Dodecad @ 17.928656
    11 Romanians_Behar @ 18.356617
    12 Bulgarian_Dodecad @ 18.680088
    13 Greek_Dodecad @ 18.681952
    14 Bulgarians_Yunusbayev @ 18.724812
    15 Murcia_1000Genomes @ 19.177168
    16 Canarias_1000Genomes @ 19.419041
    17 Castilla_Y_Leon_1000Genomes @ 20.094767
    18 Andalucia_1000Genomes @ 20.405411
    19 Spaniards_Behar @ 20.745586
    20 Sicilian_Dodecad @ 20.847435
    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% French_Dodecad +50% Sicilian_Dodecad @ 1.859818
    BAM results for CL23
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    Blond hair and Blue/Grey eyes
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    3rd neolithic karsdorf T ydna found

    KARS537

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sile View Post
    3rd neolithic karsdorf T ydna found

    KARS537

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    Since he has brown hair, I wouldn't be that comfortable at predicting for sure the color of his eyes.

    In multiple sites, I still get this (wrongly):



    They get my hair color close enough:


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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    Since he has brown hair, I wouldn't be that comfortable at predicting for sure the color of his eyes.

    In multiple sites, I still get this (wrongly):



    They get my hair color close enough:


    his first reading was red hair or more like chestnut colour

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    Since he has brown hair, I wouldn't be that comfortable at predicting for sure the color of his eyes.

    In multiple sites, I still get this (wrongly):



    They get my hair color close enough:


    info on KARS537

    https://www.biorxiv.org/node/96800.full

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    Hi everyone, this is my first post here but the hot discussion about Romans attracted me though it is old. Since i received my BigY-700 results i started to know more about Europe and Romans history as my Y haplogroup is R-Z193/PF6658 which is subclade of R-U152. I am from Egypt so it was surprising when i knew that i am descending from European ancestor. I am 75% Egyptian ,20% from Asia Minor , 2% south European and i never heard about any European ancestors in my family but may be because it happened long time ago. I think my subclade is still existing in some areas in Italy like Sardinia and Tuscany so one of the strongest possibilities that my family moved to Egypt during the Romans invasion to Egypt 2000 years ago. I read a research about a lot of documented marriages between Roman soldiers and Egyptian women though it wasn't legalised at the beginning but it is still an assumption until i find a close match some where in Europe. I am in the big tree under my last name Abdou and soon will be in YFull.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ahmed View Post
    Hi everyone, this is my first post here but the hot discussion about Romans attracted me though it is old. Since i received my BigY-700 results i started to know more about Europe and Romans history as my Y haplogroup is R-Z193/PF6658 which is subclade of R-U152. I am from Egypt so it was surprising when i knew that i am descending from European ancestor. I am 75% Egyptian ,20% from Asia Minor , 2% south European and i never heard about any European ancestors in my family but may be because it happened long time ago. I think my subclade is still existing in some areas in Italy like Sardinia and Tuscany so one of the strongest possibilities that my family moved to Egypt during the Romans invasion to Egypt 2000 years ago. I read a research about a lot of documented marriages between Roman soldiers and Egyptian women though it wasn't legalised at the beginning but it is still an assumption until i find a close match some where in Europe. I am in the big tree under my last name Abdou and soon will be in YFull.
    That’s great, You should probably Post it again in the R1b section of the Forum, this thread is about Y haplogroup T.

    Here is the link, (You’ll get more exposure and you’ll find more informations on your Haplogroup):

    https://www.eupedia.com/forum/forums/234-R1b

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    "T-M184 (xL206) sample found in a published paper. And this individual is from Himalayas."

    Do you have a link?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andalusian Fusion View Post
    "T-M184 (xL206) sample found in a published paper. And this individual is from Himalayas."

    Do you have a link?
    There are 3 with this marker who do not have other snp mutations, the one you mentioned plus Armenia and Germany

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    Quote Originally Posted by torzio View Post
    There are 3 with this marker who do not have other snp mutations, the one you mentioned plus Armenia and Germany
    Where are the papers this person mentioned? (It's an old post from 6 years ago, so not sure if the person is still on here.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andalusian Fusion View Post
    Where are the papers this person mentioned? (It's an old post from 6 years ago, so not sure if the person is still on here.)
    check wiki site .....T-M184
    and all links to other papers are at the bottom

    the only way to use wiki

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    Quote Originally Posted by torzio View Post
    check wiki site .....T-M184
    and all links to other papers are at the bottom

    the only way to use wiki
    Doh!


    Thanks, Torzio.

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