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  • East European Plain - Northern Black Sea - Caspian Lowland ( East Europe )

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  • Around the Alpide belt ( West Asia )

    15 57.69%
  • Around the Alpide belt ( Himalayas )

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andalusian Fusion View Post
    Doh!


    Thanks, Torzio.
    how did you get an un-helpful mark for this?...................someone must hate your comments about hap. T marker
    Fathers mtdna T2b17
    Grandfather mtdna T1a1e
    Sons mtdna K1a4o
    Mum paternal line R1b-S8172
    Grandmum paternal side I1d1-P109
    Wife paternal line R1a-Z282

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    Quote Originally Posted by torzio View Post
    how did you get an un-helpful mark for this?...................someone must hate your comments about hap. T marker
    I will be creating my own forum.

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    Around the alpide belt
    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-019-11357-9

    sample I3403 is ydna T1a2 with mtdna X2d

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    I would say that the parent LT originated in the Zagros mountains or northern Fertile Crescent, and while L headed mostly east, T went west and also south.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joey37 View Post
    I would say that the parent LT originated in the Zagros mountains or northern Fertile Crescent, and while L headed mostly east, T went west and also south.
    file:///C:/Users/User/Downloads/2809-13879-1-PB.pdf ( map #11)

    This paper states south of the caspian sea .................my take is anywhere around the caspian sea .......although the kazaks are one of a few races that ancient T1a1, T1a2 and T1a3 are all found together

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    all olden haplogroup T

    https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/es/map...#4/54.37/38.28

    I find the collegno CL23 an issue...............the paper gave it a T1a2-L446 branch and this link states T1a1 branch

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    Quote Originally Posted by torzio View Post
    all older haplogroup T

    https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/es/map...#4/54.37/38.28

    I find the collegno CL23 an issue...............the paper gave it a T1a2-L446 branch and this link states T1a1 branch
    It also says that CL23 is not T L446

    It is shown as T CTS6071 (CTS933)

    I’m positive for both, and you should be too

    I remember that they were thinking about changing the nomenclature, maybe ...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    It also says that CL23 is not T L446

    It is shown as T CTS6071 (CTS933)

    I’m positive for both, and you should be too

    I remember that they were thinking about changing the nomenclature, maybe ...

    Agree

    It still makes it a T1a2 branch

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    https://www.nature.com/articles/s415...-45398-3#Sec15

    Estimating Y-Str Mutation Rates and Tmrca Through Deep-Rooting Italian Pedigrees


    10 x T1a2-L131 samples

    and an interesting LT sample....very very old haplogroup


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    I wish people would Capitalize the L haplogroup.

    Half of the time I can’t tell if is an I or a L

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    Quote Originally Posted by torzio View Post
    https://www.nature.com/articles/s415...-45398-3#Sec15

    Estimating Y-Str Mutation Rates and Tmrca Through Deep-Rooting Italian Pedigrees


    10 x T1a2-L131 samples

    and an interesting LT sample....very very old haplogroup

    The present study comprises 135 samples belonging to 66 different paternal lineages from two bordering regions of Northern Italy, i.e. Emilia-Romagna and Veneto.

    actually , they are only from romagna and veneto

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    Quote Originally Posted by torzio View Post
    all olden haplogroup T

    https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/es/map...#4/54.37/38.28

    I find the collegno CL23 an issue...............the paper gave it a T1a2-L446 branch and this link states T1a1 branch
    site upgraded

    https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/es/map...#3/47.34/46.58

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    Quote Originally Posted by torzio View Post
    ... anything interesting from your new Y test results ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    ... anything interesting from your new Y test results ?
    CL23 is marked as T1a1 .....when he should be T1a2 since he has CTS6007 and L446 which are both T1a2 branch markers

    VK398 is also marked in error as T1a1 , when it is T1a2


    this new one at
    Tepe Hissar C ( 4100 yBP - Bronze Age ) Tepe Hissar Culture .............NE Iran on the caspian sea

    I2514 ( 3915 ± 25 yBP / 4341 yBP )
    Phase: Hissar IIIb
    Cluster:
    Y-DNA: T1a2a1a-Y13284 (xT1a2a1a1-Y38305, T1a2a1a2-BY31850)
    mtDNA: W3b
    Age at Death: +50

    ................................................

    Ipatovo 3 ( 5400 yBP - Early Bronze Age ) Early Steppe Maykop Culture


    IV3002 ( 5383 ± 64 yBP )
    Kurgan: 2
    Phase: 1st
    Grave: 187 ( Founding grave of the entire mound )
    Other dates: 5058 ± 223 yBP / 5328 ± 251 yBP / 4630 ± 50 yBP (radiocarbon)
    Y-DNA: T1-CTS6004 (xT1a1a-CTS484, T1a1b-Y6031, T1a2b-FGC37316) Probably: T1a2a-Y8614
    mtDNA: X1'2'3
    Age at Death: 35-45

    .....................................

    This was T1a3 and now

    Kok-Mardan ( 1800 yBP - Late Antiquity ) Kaunchi Culture ( Kangju )

    DA125 ( 1755 ± 41 yBP )
    Kurgan:
    Object:
    Y-DNA: T1a2a1a1-Y13279
    mtDNA: U2e2a1

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    VK17 - y T1a1a - mt U5a2a1b

    VK398 y T1a2b1 - mt H1b1+16362

    (non y T Pugliese Viking, note to myself:
    VK535 y R1b1a1b1b3a - mt T1a5
    autosomally ~90% southern European, I think this is the guy that @Ownstyler is talking about)


    https://www.eupedia.com/forum/thread...l=1#post581938

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    This is not a error but the most updated tree. Anyway, I should have to update it again since the new finding on the Crusader change the whole tree as follows:


    Quote Originally Posted by torzio View Post
    CL23 is marked as T1a1 .....when he should be T1a2 since he has CTS6007 and L446 which are both T1a2 branch markers

    VK398 is also marked in error as T1a1 , when it is T1a2


    this new one at
    Tepe Hissar C ( 4100 yBP - Bronze Age ) Tepe Hissar Culture .............NE Iran on the caspian sea

    I2514 ( 3915 ± 25 yBP / 4341 yBP )
    Phase: Hissar IIIb
    Cluster:
    Y-DNA: T1a2a1a-Y13284 (xT1a2a1a1-Y38305, T1a2a1a2-BY31850)
    mtDNA: W3b
    Age at Death: +50

    ................................................

    Ipatovo 3 ( 5400 yBP - Early Bronze Age ) Early Steppe Maykop Culture


    IV3002 ( 5383 ± 64 yBP )
    Kurgan: 2
    Phase: 1st
    Grave: 187 ( Founding grave of the entire mound )
    Other dates: 5058 ± 223 yBP / 5328 ± 251 yBP / 4630 ± 50 yBP (radiocarbon)
    Y-DNA: T1-CTS6004 (xT1a1a-CTS484, T1a1b-Y6031, T1a2b-FGC37316) Probably: T1a2a-Y8614
    mtDNA: X1'2'3
    Age at Death: 35-45

    .....................................

    This was T1a3 and now

    Kok-Mardan ( 1800 yBP - Late Antiquity ) Kaunchi Culture ( Kangju )


    DA125 ( 1755 ± 41 yBP )
    Kurgan:
    Object:
    Y-DNA: T1a2a1a1-Y13279
    mtDNA: U2e2a1
    T1a1 was T1a1a and now will be T1a1a1, T1a2 was T1a1b and now will change to T1a1a2 and finally T1a3 was T1a2 and now will be as T1a1b

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alpenjager View Post
    This is not a error but the most updated tree. Anyway, I should have to update it again since the new finding on the Crusader change the whole tree as follows:




    T1a1 was T1a1a and now will be T1a1a1, T1a2 was T1a1b and now will change to T1a1a2 and finally T1a3 was T1a2 and now will be as T1a1b

    I have never seen that all T ydna will go under T1a1 in any other site ............please link where ftdna or Isogg or others are calling every T under 1 branch ............it will make everything confusing

    in the old days , there was T1a and T1b ..........then came T1a1, T1a2, T1a3 and T2-Ph110 ...................I need a link for you to explain these changes to me
    Last edited by torzio; 14-09-19 at 11:17.

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    a 3/4Italian, 1/4 Anglo-American:

    y T-CTS8862 (he’s actually T-Z19945 (100% Italian Father)

    mt U5a2a1b (same mt as the VK17 sample)






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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    a 3/4Italian, 1/4 Anglo-American:

    y T-CTS8862 (he’s actually T-Z19945 (100% Italian Father)

    mt U5a2a1b (same mt as the VK17 sample)





    who/where are these results from ?

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    Junior full Results


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    mine below:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post




    mine below:
    I have an older version

    Natgeno gave me my ydna T-CTS8862 and my mtdna of h95a ................2 years before any other company



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    there has been a slight increase of tuscan since a year ago


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    Quote Originally Posted by torzio View Post
    I have an older version

    Natgeno gave me my ydna T-CTS8862 and my mtdna of h95a ................2 years before any other company



    I guess that Northern and Southern Italian meet around Tuscany, genetically speaking.

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