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  • Turan Lowland - Kazakh Uplands - Southern Urals ( Central Asia )

    2 7.41%
  • East European Plain - Northern Black Sea - Caspian Lowland ( East Europe )

    4 14.81%
  • Around the Alpide belt ( West Asia )

    16 59.26%
  • Around the Alpide belt ( Himalayas )

    5 18.52%
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Thread: Where did haplogroup T first originate ( 2nd Poll with Expanded options )

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    @Torzio

    I saw the Illyrians, Veneti and Pugliesi posts on the MTA thread.

    ... what if T-Z19945 hung out with some Illyrian tribe before splitting?

    What do you think?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    @Torzio

    I saw the Illyrians, Veneti and Pugliesi posts on the MTA thread.

    ... what if T-Z19945 hung out with some Illyrian tribe before splitting?

    What do you think?
    can you link thread

    your ideas are as good as any

    I thought Z19945 is more likely in the northern Balkan lands , hungarian , romanian etc............

    age of Z19945 as per yfull is only 1460BC approx.
    Fathers mtdna ... T2b17
    Grandfather mtdna ... T1a1e
    Sons mtdna ... K1a4o
    Mum paternal line ... R1b-S8172
    Grandmum paternal side ... I1d1-P109
    Wife paternal line ... R1a-Z282

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    Quote Originally Posted by torzio View Post
    can you link thread

    your ideas are as good as any

    I thought Z19945 is more likely in the northern Balkan lands , hungarian , romanian etc............

    age of Z19945 as per yfull is only 1460BC approx.
    It start at Post #1389

    https://www.eupedia.com/forum/thread...l=1#post586698

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    Tomenable thinks that SZ36 (y T1a..) is an Ethnic Roman.
    It’s my 1st / 2nd match on my MTA Kits:








    https://www.eupedia.com/forum/thread...l=1#post586743

    Q-Matching one-to-one with SZ36:


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    id:ERS256892 ITA [IT-CA]

    This sample in yfull has a yellow squared information box with a couple of Snp's , one which is Z19945 .........this is way further up the tree where other Z19945.

    anyone know what these new yellow squared information boxes represent in yfull
    and
    anyone know about this sample ERS256892

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    African or middle east, which tribe exactly hard to say. Definitely not European or "ilyrian"

    Almost non existant in Europe and where it is found in europe it probably came from slaves, invaders or minor foreign settlers

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShpataEMadhe View Post
    African or middle east, which tribe exactly hard to say. Definitely not European or "ilyrian"
    Almost non existant in Europe and where it is found in europe it probably came from slaves, invaders or minor foreign settlers
    Are you y T?
    fyi:
    T-M184 (y T) is unusual in that it is both geographically widespread and relatively rare (considering that it originated around 40,000 years ago) ...

    Y-DNA haplogroup T is found at low frequencies throughout Europe and in parts of the Middle East, North Africa, and East Africa. A famous person in Haplogroup T was Thomas Jefferson (1743-1826), the third President of the United States from 1801 to 1809 ...

    ... some Roman Era y T:


    y T Latin Tribe Ardea 650 BC





    .............

    Golden Man: (ANI152 VAR 43) Elite leader individual from the Varna Culture ...
    ... The oldest gold treasure in the world, dating from 4,600 BC to 4,200 BC ...




    ...............


    Karsdorf Germany (7.000 + years ago)

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShpataEMadhe View Post
    African or middle east, which tribe exactly hard to say. Definitely not European or "ilyrian"

    Almost non existant in Europe and where it is found in europe it probably came from slaves, invaders or minor foreign settlers
    Please stop talking nonsense, at least back it up with evidence if you do.

    Clades under T have already been found in aDNA samples from Europe which date back to the Neolithic. T-L208 and T-L162 for example have both been found in Neolithic Bulgaria. T-M184 was also found in the Varna Culture of Bulgaria.
    Ydna: J-ZS241

    mtDNA: T1a1l

    Maternal Ydna: E-V13>CTS5856*

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    Are you y T?
    fyi:
    T-M184 (y T) is unusual in that it is both geographically widespread and relatively rare (considering that it originated around 40,000 years ago) ...

    Y-DNA haplogroup T is found at low frequencies throughout Europe and in parts of the Middle East, North Africa, and East Africa. A famous person in Haplogroup T was Thomas Jefferson (1743-1826), the third President of the United States from 1801 to 1809 ...

    ... some Roman Era y T:


    y T Latin Tribe Ardea 650 BC





    .............

    Golden Man: (ANI152 VAR 43) Elite leader individual from the Varna Culture ...
    ... The oldest gold treasure in the world, dating from 4,600 BC to 4,200 BC ...




    ...............


    Karsdorf Germany (7.000 + years ago)
    I havent been tested yet

    Would you say most T was spread in europe by roman empire slaves?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShpataEMadhe View Post
    I havent been tested yet

    Would you say most T was spread in europe by roman empire slaves?
    No, romans are too late.........there are T ydna in Germany, Bulgaria, balkans, france etc form the neolithic

    my take, is that they ( T ydna ) where initially not farmers , but hunters ........Karsdorf is a ancient hunting ground for red-deer .......there is even H ydna found there

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    R850 (also a y T), R437 and I do Not get R120 in the top 100.

    https://www.eupedia.com/forum/thread...l=1#post593611
    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    R1 get R120 (y T1a2 - T-L446) in the Top 100, what about you ???

    Quote Originally Posted by torzio View Post
    R120 .............I do not get in my top 100

    CL23 the other T ydna is my #14 ...........................I do not know why they state this as iberian, when he is born in bulgaria, raised in Pannonia and died in Italy ..........maybe his mum is iberian

    do you get this below from Sochi russia

    52. Thraco-Cimmerian Black Sea (900 BC) ..... 15.89 - MJ12 -
    Top 97% match vs all users
    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    I do not, I get this instead:



    Quote Originally Posted by torzio View Post
    seems like in MTA......you went to europe via south of the black sea .......and I , north of the black sea

    i only get this

    32. Proto Thracian/Illyrian Vucedol (2775 BC) ..... 14.31 - I3499 -
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    the sochi one

    and one from 900BC

    these are the Thracians I get
    @Torzio ... from MTA thread, ... ‘cause of topic.

    I guess it’s possible, hard to say.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post






    @Torzio ... from MTA thread, ... ‘cause of topic.

    I guess it’s possible, hard to say.

    It would mean that like some scholars state, T ydna formed around the caspian sea somewhere......from its split with LT haplogroup

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