Eupedia Forums
Site NavigationEupedia Top > Eupedia Forum & Japan Forum
Page 1 of 3 123 LastLast
Results 1 to 25 of 53

Thread: Growth of the far right in Germany

  1. #1
    Advisor Achievements:
    VeteranThree Friends50000 Experience PointsRecommendation Second Class
    Awards:
    Posting Award
    Angela's Avatar
    Join Date
    02-01-11
    Posts
    15,524
    Points
    290,666
    Level
    100
    Points: 290,666, Level: 100
    Level completed: 0%, Points required for next Level: 0
    Overall activity: 99.6%


    Ethnic group
    Italian
    Country: USA - New York



    Growth of the far right in Germany



    It's the New York Times, so maybe some skepticism is in order...

    See:
    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/18/w...=tw-share&_r=0

    Amazing how many evocations of Nazism can be packed into a couple of sentences:

    " At a chandelier-lit beer hall on Tuesday evening, the lean blond man’s voice boomed out over a crowd of hundreds — some middle-aged and working-class, but with a contingent of polished young professionals.“The AfD is the last revolutionary, the last peaceful chance for our fatherland,” declared the man, Björn Höcke, referring to the political party Alternative for Germany, and employing a reverential term for Germany, one of several nationalist buzzwords usually shunned in the country’s politics.
    “Jawohl!” a few shouted. “Yes!”
    When Mr. Höcke (pronounced HOOK-ay) lamented that “German history is handled as rotten and made to look ridiculous” — a subtle but clear reference to guilt for the Holocaust and other Nazi war crimes — the crowd responded by chanting, “Deutschland, Deutschland.”




    Non si fa il proprio dovere perchè qualcuno ci dica grazie, lo si fa per principio, per se stessi, per la propria dignità. Oriana Fallaci

  2. #2
    Elite member Achievements:
    Three FriendsRecommendation Second ClassVeteran50000 Experience Points

    Join Date
    07-09-14
    Posts
    4,578
    Points
    64,082
    Level
    78
    Points: 64,082, Level: 78
    Level completed: 52%, Points required for next Level: 768
    Overall activity: 38.0%

    Y-DNA haplogroup
    R1b
    MtDNA haplogroup
    W6

    Ethnic group
    Polish
    Country: Poland



    German AfD is a slightly more leftist version of your Republicans.

  3. #3
    Advisor Achievements:
    VeteranThree Friends50000 Experience PointsRecommendation Second Class
    Awards:
    Posting Award
    Angela's Avatar
    Join Date
    02-01-11
    Posts
    15,524
    Points
    290,666
    Level
    100
    Points: 290,666, Level: 100
    Level completed: 0%, Points required for next Level: 0
    Overall activity: 99.6%


    Ethnic group
    Italian
    Country: USA - New York



    You obviously know absolutely nothing about Republicans and what they believe.

  4. #4
    Regular Member Achievements:
    Tagger Second ClassThree FriendsVeteran5000 Experience Points
    Templar's Avatar
    Join Date
    23-10-11
    Posts
    622
    Points
    7,898
    Level
    26
    Points: 7,898, Level: 26
    Level completed: 58%, Points required for next Level: 252
    Overall activity: 1.0%


    Ethnic group
    Paleolithic European
    Country: Bosnia & Herzegovina



    Their politicians have been swamping them with immigrants who have increased the crime rate considerably (especially sexual crimes). Whenever anyone says anything against it then they get accused of being racists. A lot of their anger is pretty understandable.

  5. #5
    Elite member Achievements:
    Tagger Second ClassThree FriendsVeteran10000 Experience Points

    Join Date
    23-02-15
    Location
    Groningen
    Posts
    656
    Points
    10,866
    Level
    31
    Points: 10,866, Level: 31
    Level completed: 46%, Points required for next Level: 384
    Overall activity: 7.0%

    Y-DNA haplogroup
    E1b1b/ E-V22

    Ethnic group
    North Sea Germanic
    Country: Netherlands



    Growth of the far right in Germany

    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    It's the New York Times, so maybe some skepticism is in order...

    See:
    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/18/w...=tw-share&_r=0

    Amazing how many evocations of Nazism can be packed into a couple of sentences:

    " At a chandelier-lit beer hall on Tuesday evening, the lean blond man’s voice boomed out over a crowd of hundreds — some middle-aged and working-class, but with a contingent of polished young professionals.“The AfD is the last revolutionary, the last peaceful chance for our fatherland,” declared the man, Björn Höcke, referring to the political party Alternative for Germany, and employing a reverential term for Germany, one of several nationalist buzzwords usually shunned in the country’s politics.
    “Jawohl!” a few shouted. “Yes!”
    When Mr. Höcke (pronounced HOOK-ay) lamented that “German history is handled as rotten and made to look ridiculous” — a subtle but clear reference to guilt for the Holocaust and other Nazi war crimes — the crowd responded by chanting, “Deutschland, Deutschland.”


    Yes this party could shake the post war political landscape even more than the unification of west and east Germany did. Until recent Germany was one of the most stabile countries of Europe. With two grand old party's the christen democratic CDU and the social democratic SPD, somewhat right and left of the middle. With a small (neo-)liberal FDP. Since the eighties only die Grünen, Green Party, was a new kid on the block. They made a long march trough the institutions. Right of the CDU (and CSU in Bayern) was always a big tabu in German politics. That was the long shadow of the past. Now with the upheaval of Trump, Le Pen, Wilders, Ukip, and a bunch of Eastern European populist or alt right part's this looks like the first time since ww2 that the political landscape of Germany could chance dramatically.....


    Sent from my iPad using Eupedia Forum

  6. #6
    Regular Member Achievements:
    1000 Experience PointsVeteran
    DuPidh's Avatar
    Join Date
    03-07-15
    Posts
    445


    Country: Cuba



    Germany soon will become a geographical expression. Its no longer an ethnic expression. 25% of its population has been replaced by foreigners. If something its not done soon German ethnicity will be a thing of the past. Imagine right now the majority of children born in Germany are those of foreigners. Now think of the near future of this country.

  7. #7
    Regular Member Achievements:
    VeteranThree Friends25000 Experience Points
    Sile's Avatar
    Join Date
    04-09-11
    Location
    Australia
    Posts
    5,119
    Points
    29,699
    Level
    52
    Points: 29,699, Level: 52
    Level completed: 96%, Points required for next Level: 51
    Overall activity: 37.0%

    Y-DNA haplogroup
    T1a2 -Z19945..Jura
    MtDNA haplogroup
    H95a1 ..Pannoni

    Ethnic group
    North Alpine Italian
    Country: Australia



    2 out of 2 members found this post helpful.
    Quote Originally Posted by Northener View Post
    Yes this party could shake the post war political landscape even more than the unification of west and east Germany did. Until recent Germany was one of the most stabile countries of Europe. With two grand old party's the christen democratic CDU and the social democratic SPD, somewhat right and left of the middle. With a small (neo-)liberal FDP. Since the eighties only die Grünen, Green Party, was a new kid on the block. They made a long march trough the institutions. Right of the CDU (and CSU in Bayern) was always a big tabu in German politics. That was the long shadow of the past. Now with the upheaval of Trump, Le Pen, Wilders, Ukip, and a bunch of Eastern European populist or alt right part's this looks like the first time since ww2 that the political landscape of Germany could chance dramatically.....


    Sent from my iPad using Eupedia Forum
    good, its about time that people stop attacking the middleclass via globalization as it is completely wrong. The middle class is the main class in any society.
    The west has gone too far left in the last 20 years........socialist left , there is no centre anymore.

    too far left you have communism...too far right you have fascism..........they are the same thing ................we need to correct the balance , fix the middle class and have centre type of governments.
    có che un pòpoło no 'l defende pi ła só łéngua el xe prónto par èser s'ciavo

    when a people no longer dares to defend its language it is ripe for slavery.

  8. #8
    Elite member Achievements:
    Tagger Second ClassThree FriendsVeteran10000 Experience Points

    Join Date
    23-02-15
    Location
    Groningen
    Posts
    656
    Points
    10,866
    Level
    31
    Points: 10,866, Level: 31
    Level completed: 46%, Points required for next Level: 384
    Overall activity: 7.0%

    Y-DNA haplogroup
    E1b1b/ E-V22

    Ethnic group
    North Sea Germanic
    Country: Netherlands



    Quote Originally Posted by Sile View Post
    good, its about time that people stop attacking the middleclass via globalization as it is completely wrong. The middle class is the main class in any society.
    The west has gone too far left in the last 20 years........socialist left , there is no centre anymore.

    too far left you have communism...too far right you have fascism..........they are the same thing ................we need to correct the balance , fix the middle class and have centre type of governments.
    Too far left!? In Germany? Germany is, at least since ww2, an example of middle class society. With two strong part's around the center. The despair of the middle class results in the upheaval of the populist and/or alt right.....this would cause the dis balance you mention.


    Sent from my iPad using Eupedia Forum

  9. #9
    Regular Member Achievements:
    VeteranThree Friends25000 Experience Points
    Sile's Avatar
    Join Date
    04-09-11
    Location
    Australia
    Posts
    5,119
    Points
    29,699
    Level
    52
    Points: 29,699, Level: 52
    Level completed: 96%, Points required for next Level: 51
    Overall activity: 37.0%

    Y-DNA haplogroup
    T1a2 -Z19945..Jura
    MtDNA haplogroup
    H95a1 ..Pannoni

    Ethnic group
    North Alpine Italian
    Country: Australia



    Quote Originally Posted by Northener View Post
    Too far left!? In Germany? Germany is, at least since ww2, an example of middle class society. With two strong part's around the center. The despair of the middle class results in the upheaval of the populist and/or alt right.....this would cause the dis balance you mention.


    Sent from my iPad using Eupedia Forum
    Miss Merkel ( an east German from the past with her leftist/socialist views ) has decided upon herself to make all the decisions for the EU .............like, expecting the other EU nations to take the migrants that her germany does not want .
    But , it has failed and her leftist views is going against what the people want. They want balance.

    if one is not in the centre, then one is either too far left or too far right ..............

  10. #10
    Regular Member Achievements:
    Veteran5000 Experience Points
    Boreas's Avatar
    Join Date
    02-05-15
    Location
    Istanbul
    Posts
    690
    Points
    5,912
    Level
    22
    Points: 5,912, Level: 22
    Level completed: 73%, Points required for next Level: 138
    Overall activity: 3.0%

    Y-DNA haplogroup
    R-YP346
    MtDNA haplogroup
    J1b1b1

    Ethnic group
    Rumî
    Country: Turkey



    Quote Originally Posted by Sile View Post
    Miss Merkel ( an east German from the past with her leftist/socialist views ) has decided upon herself to make all the decisions for the EU .............like, expecting the other EU nations to take the migrants that her germany does not want .
    But , it has failed and her leftist views is going against what the people want. They want balance.

    if one is not in the centre, then one is either too far left or too far right ..............
    At least, Leftist Germans didn't start 2 World Wars

  11. #11
    Regular Member Achievements:
    Veteran5000 Experience Points
    firetown's Avatar
    Join Date
    27-08-11
    Posts
    409
    Points
    7,230
    Level
    25
    Points: 7,230, Level: 25
    Level completed: 36%, Points required for next Level: 320
    Overall activity: 0%


    Ethnic group
    Polish/German/Jewish/Rh-
    Country: USA - California



    This is not surprising for those who lived in Germany for a while. This has been brewing underneath the surface long before the current refugee situation.

  12. #12
    Regular Member Achievements:
    VeteranThree Friends25000 Experience Points
    Sile's Avatar
    Join Date
    04-09-11
    Location
    Australia
    Posts
    5,119
    Points
    29,699
    Level
    52
    Points: 29,699, Level: 52
    Level completed: 96%, Points required for next Level: 51
    Overall activity: 37.0%

    Y-DNA haplogroup
    T1a2 -Z19945..Jura
    MtDNA haplogroup
    H95a1 ..Pannoni

    Ethnic group
    North Alpine Italian
    Country: Australia



    Quote Originally Posted by Boreas View Post
    At least, Leftist Germans didn't start 2 World Wars
    I do not recall the germans starting WW1 ..............was it not started from incidents in the balkans

  13. #13
    Regular Member Achievements:
    Veteran5000 Experience Points
    Boreas's Avatar
    Join Date
    02-05-15
    Location
    Istanbul
    Posts
    690
    Points
    5,912
    Level
    22
    Points: 5,912, Level: 22
    Level completed: 73%, Points required for next Level: 138
    Overall activity: 3.0%

    Y-DNA haplogroup
    R-YP346
    MtDNA haplogroup
    J1b1b1

    Ethnic group
    Rumî
    Country: Turkey



    Quote Originally Posted by Sile View Post
    I do not recall the germans starting WW1 ..............was it not started from incidents in the balkans
    The issue was controling South Slavs between Russia and Germanic Austria-Germany pact. Long before the real war, arms race has already started and pacts has been made.

    Turks got in the war accidently (Sultan didn't know it), not Germans.

  14. #14
    Advisor Achievements:
    VeteranThree Friends50000 Experience PointsRecommendation Second Class
    Awards:
    Posting Award
    Angela's Avatar
    Join Date
    02-01-11
    Posts
    15,524
    Points
    290,666
    Level
    100
    Points: 290,666, Level: 100
    Level completed: 0%, Points required for next Level: 0
    Overall activity: 99.6%


    Ethnic group
    Italian
    Country: USA - New York



    Quote Originally Posted by Boreas View Post
    At least, Leftist Germans didn't start 2 World Wars
    That's true, but on the other hand many of them were quite happy to have the Soviet Union take over half their country, and in fact collaborated in that effort.

  15. #15
    Elite member Achievements:
    Tagger Second ClassThree FriendsVeteran10000 Experience Points

    Join Date
    23-02-15
    Location
    Groningen
    Posts
    656
    Points
    10,866
    Level
    31
    Points: 10,866, Level: 31
    Level completed: 46%, Points required for next Level: 384
    Overall activity: 7.0%

    Y-DNA haplogroup
    E1b1b/ E-V22

    Ethnic group
    North Sea Germanic
    Country: Netherlands



    Growth of the far right in Germany

    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    That's true, but on the other hand many of them were quite happy to have the Soviet Union take over half their country, and in fact collaborated in that effort.
    With the Sovjet army who entered into Germany I guess no choice. Most people accommodate. Some flied to the west.
    Merkel has never been a Soviet or commie adapt. She has a deep Protestant ethic attitude.

    At least one of the biggest responsible leaders of the West.....


    Sent from my iPad using Eupedia Forum

  16. #16
    Advisor Achievements:
    VeteranThree Friends50000 Experience PointsRecommendation Second Class
    Awards:
    Posting Award
    Angela's Avatar
    Join Date
    02-01-11
    Posts
    15,524
    Points
    290,666
    Level
    100
    Points: 290,666, Level: 100
    Level completed: 0%, Points required for next Level: 0
    Overall activity: 99.6%


    Ethnic group
    Italian
    Country: USA - New York



    Quote Originally Posted by Northener View Post
    With the Sovjet army who entered into Germany I guess no choice. Most people accommodate. Some flied to the west.
    Merkel has never been a Soviet or commie adapt. She has a deep Protestant ethic attitude.


    Sent from my iPad using Eupedia Forum
    I agree with you about Merkel. As for what happened after the war, there were some true believers in East Germany who were still around, from what I can tell, and then there were, as always in situations like this, the people who accommodate themselves to the current power structure.

  17. #17
    Regular Member Achievements:
    1000 Experience PointsVeteran

    Join Date
    05-03-16
    Posts
    385
    Points
    3,326
    Level
    16
    Points: 3,326, Level: 16
    Level completed: 69%, Points required for next Level: 124
    Overall activity: 0%


    Country: Yugoslavia



    Quote Originally Posted by Sile View Post
    I do not recall the germans starting WW1 ..............was it not started from incidents in the balkans
    Was not the Austrians (Central powers) that were occupying South Slavic lands and expanding? assasination of the their archduke was just pretext,this war was previously planned by "great powers" of it's time for control of lands.

  18. #18
    Advisor Achievements:
    VeteranThree Friends50000 Experience PointsRecommendation Second Class
    Awards:
    Posting Award
    Angela's Avatar
    Join Date
    02-01-11
    Posts
    15,524
    Points
    290,666
    Level
    100
    Points: 290,666, Level: 100
    Level completed: 0%, Points required for next Level: 0
    Overall activity: 99.6%


    Ethnic group
    Italian
    Country: USA - New York



    Quote Originally Posted by Boreas View Post
    At least, Leftist Germans didn't start 2 World Wars
    No, they didn't Boreas. On the other hand, they were perfectly willing to collaborate with a foreign power in the take over of their country, the imprisonment of objectors, and on and on.

    Neither the extreme right nor the extreme left in Europe have a very good track record.

  19. #19
    Advisor Achievements:
    Three FriendsVeteran25000 Experience Points
    bicicleur's Avatar
    Join Date
    27-01-13
    Location
    Zwevegem, Belgium
    Posts
    5,382
    Points
    47,218
    Level
    67
    Points: 47,218, Level: 67
    Level completed: 20%, Points required for next Level: 1,132
    Overall activity: 54.0%


    Country: Belgium - Flanders



    Quote Originally Posted by Milan.M View Post
    Was not the Austrians (Central powers) that were occupying South Slavic lands and expanding? assasination of the their archduke was just pretext,this war was previously planned by "great powers" of it's time for control of lands.
    it was the time of nationalism all over Europe

    when they heared the Germans had invaded France, people were dancing in the streets in Paris, finaly they would have a chance to defeat Germany and take revenge for 1870 ..
    little did they suspect it would take 4 years of suffering and millions of deaths


    my grandfather, he was not happy with that, at that time there was 3 year compulsory military service in Belgium, which he had begun in 1911 ..

  20. #20
    Advisor Achievements:
    Three FriendsVeteran25000 Experience Points
    bicicleur's Avatar
    Join Date
    27-01-13
    Location
    Zwevegem, Belgium
    Posts
    5,382
    Points
    47,218
    Level
    67
    Points: 47,218, Level: 67
    Level completed: 20%, Points required for next Level: 1,132
    Overall activity: 54.0%


    Country: Belgium - Flanders



    Quote Originally Posted by Northener View Post
    With the Sovjet army who entered into Germany I guess no choice. Most people accommodate. Some flied to the west.

    Sent from my iPad using Eupedia Forum
    yes, but couldn't you tell the same about the rise of Hitler then ?

    Germany was in a terrible state and most Germans were desperate
    they didn't believe the Weimar republic could solve the problems and they felt abandonned by the international community
    finally they felt they had to chose between extreme left and extreme right

  21. #21
    Advisor Achievements:
    Three FriendsVeteran25000 Experience Points
    bicicleur's Avatar
    Join Date
    27-01-13
    Location
    Zwevegem, Belgium
    Posts
    5,382
    Points
    47,218
    Level
    67
    Points: 47,218, Level: 67
    Level completed: 20%, Points required for next Level: 1,132
    Overall activity: 54.0%


    Country: Belgium - Flanders



    Quote Originally Posted by Northener View Post
    Merkel has never been a Soviet or commie adapt. She has a deep Protestant ethic attitude.

    At least one of the biggest responsible leaders of the West.....


    Sent from my iPad using Eupedia Forum

    first saying Germany can accomodate and help all refugees
    and then make a pact with Erdogan to stop the refugees

    sorry, for me this lady has lost all credibility

    she should say or discuss what Germany can do and cannot do
    instead of playing with high moral principles

  22. #22
    Regular Member Achievements:
    Veteran5000 Experience Points
    Boreas's Avatar
    Join Date
    02-05-15
    Location
    Istanbul
    Posts
    690
    Points
    5,912
    Level
    22
    Points: 5,912, Level: 22
    Level completed: 73%, Points required for next Level: 138
    Overall activity: 3.0%

    Y-DNA haplogroup
    R-YP346
    MtDNA haplogroup
    J1b1b1

    Ethnic group
    Rumî
    Country: Turkey



    1 out of 1 members found this post helpful.
    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    No, they didn't Boreas. On the other hand, they were perfectly willing to collaborate with a foreign power in the take over of their country, the imprisonment of objectors, and on and on.

    Neither the extreme right nor the extreme left in Europe have a very good track record.
    Sorry Angela, I don't think I get it. Should I disapporove Leftist Germans who collaborate with foreign powers against elected(!) Nazi goverment ?


    Far right and far left are both dangerous.

    It is like burning church-mosques under the Atheist Goverment or closing minority religious building under the religious regime.

    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    Increased far right won't make Europe more centrid. It is not a math. Far left+far right won't equal 0, stable centred goverment. It means more fight.

  23. #23
    Elite member Achievements:
    Tagger Second ClassThree FriendsVeteran10000 Experience Points

    Join Date
    23-02-15
    Location
    Groningen
    Posts
    656
    Points
    10,866
    Level
    31
    Points: 10,866, Level: 31
    Level completed: 46%, Points required for next Level: 384
    Overall activity: 7.0%

    Y-DNA haplogroup
    E1b1b/ E-V22

    Ethnic group
    North Sea Germanic
    Country: Netherlands



    Quote Originally Posted by bicicleur View Post
    first saying Germany can accomodate and help all refugees
    and then make a pact with Erdogan to stop the refugees

    sorry, for me this lady has lost all credibility

    she should say or discuss what Germany can do and cannot do
    instead of playing with high moral principles
    This lady doesn't just follow the opinion polls, or exploits dispair for own opportunistic reasons.
    That's doesn't rule out miscalculation though.
    But i like leaders who take their responsibility, who act with conscience....
    Certainly politics is not all about moral....but.....we need like someone said about Helmut Schmidt the great old German chancellor , 'politik mit klarheit und moral' politics with clarity and moral...
    There are enough opportunistic wolves nowadays!

  24. #24
    Regular Member Achievements:
    OverdriveVeteranThree Friends25000 Experience Points
    Yetos's Avatar
    Join Date
    02-10-11
    Location
    Makedonia
    Posts
    5,209
    Points
    40,464
    Level
    62
    Points: 40,464, Level: 62
    Level completed: 9%, Points required for next Level: 1,186
    Overall activity: 31.0%

    Y-DNA haplogroup
    G2a3a
    MtDNA haplogroup
    X2b

    Ethnic group
    Makedonian original
    Country: Greece



    1 out of 1 members found this post helpful.
    personally,I believe that all parties, theories, movements make a circle,

    politics are like α pendulum that moves from one side to the other and back,

    I am not afraid patriotic parties or movements,
    I am afraid the hate and the revenge of some politicians,
    and ultra edges of the axis that politics should move,



    consider politics as a spring,
    the more you push it to far edge left,
    the more right will go when the energy is released,
    the more right you pushed it,
    the energy that is stored will push it to far left,

    for that i must admit that I am not afraid any patriotic or conservative isolation Deutsch movememnt or party,
    but I am afraid unemployed, and hopeless youth, who in despair, turn to 4rd Reich NAZI dream,
    with hearts full of hate,
    sometimes the despair when we are young has all driven us to wrong choices,
    and hate sprung for our lost dreams,
    but we must find the correct reason that ruined our youth,
    and not explode to more easiest theories and solutions,

    PS
    I my shelf grew at a high touristic area, and had and have connections with many foreigners,
    and I travel a lot,
    but lately I catch my shelf to feel fear and anger, light form Xenophobia has started to occupy me,
    but the reason is not the stranger as stranger, the reason is that I run out bussiness almost before 10 due to some bastards bankers and politicians,
    and the few jobs left are paid badly and no insurance,
    I mean the Xenos is not my enemy many times,
    But my people, the ones I vote, and the state that did not worked as should,

    to analyze it more,
    the lately laws at my country and EU are very strange,
    for example when my daughter turns over 18 and I accomodate her at house I will be taxated more,
    but if I kick my daughter out of house, turn her to a homeless,
    and take a 4 persons family of 'irregullar immigrants, at her room I will be granded 700 E each month non taxated,

    and now reader tell me, such stupid laws, what emotions cause, and where they drive me?
    madness??
    Last edited by Yetos; 01-02-17 at 08:47.
    ΟΘΕΝ ΑΙΔΩΣ OY EINAI
    ΑΤΗ ΛΑΜΒΑΝΕΙΝ ΑΥΤΟΙΣ
    ΥΒΡΙΣ ΓΕΝΝΑΤΑΙ
    ΝΕΜΕΣΙΣ ΚΑΙ ΤΙΣΗ ΑΚΟΛΟΥΘΟΥΣΙ ΔΕ

    When there is no shame
    Divine blindness conquers them
    Hybris (abuse, opprombium) is born
    Nemesis and punishment follows.

    Εχε υπομονη Ηρωα
    Η τιμωρια δεν αργει.

  25. #25
    Elite member Achievements:
    Tagger Second ClassThree FriendsVeteran10000 Experience Points

    Join Date
    23-02-15
    Location
    Groningen
    Posts
    656
    Points
    10,866
    Level
    31
    Points: 10,866, Level: 31
    Level completed: 46%, Points required for next Level: 384
    Overall activity: 7.0%

    Y-DNA haplogroup
    E1b1b/ E-V22

    Ethnic group
    North Sea Germanic
    Country: Netherlands



    Quote Originally Posted by bicicleur View Post
    yes, but couldn't you tell the same about the rise of Hitler then ?

    Germany was in a terrible state and most Germans were desperate
    they didn't believe the Weimar republic could solve the problems and they felt abandonned by the international community
    finally they felt they had to chose between extreme left and extreme right
    No there is a difference the Soviet rule was basically due to external factors, Hitler was an internal choice not forced upon. Weimar didn't automatically lead tot Hitler. Otherwise we fall into some kind of fatalistic , kind of faith, view on history. I don't agree with that.

Page 1 of 3 123 LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •