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    Confusion over R0a

    I am not able to find much information about my 23andme results - citing R0a.. they told me it's rare in europe, but my Mother was Italian, her mother was Italian (Naples region), and her mother was Italian (so on and so forth for 100s of years that we know). Is this a common group for Italians? If so why doe 23andme say it is not, and is only found in europe vary rarely in Jewish populations (once again none in my known history).


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    Also I should add, every time I look at maps and breakdowns I never see R0a or the aka pre-hv - is there something else this is called? Sorry for the double post.

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    Check out my spreadsheet of Haplogroup Frequencies in Europe: mHG Frequencies

    R0a is very rare in Europe including Italy. But it probably exists in every part of Europe. And its prescence can't be explained by recent Middle Eastern immigration like the migration of Jews. 23andme is wrong about R0a in Europe being derived from Jews.

    Here's a summary of R0a frequencies outside of Europe. R0a peaks in Arabia and Egypt at 10-20%. The rest of the Near East(Syria, Lebanon, Turkey) has about 5% R0a. R0a reaches above 1% in all of the Middle East and even has a strong presence in India and Morocco.

    Ancient DNA from the Levant(Isreal, Jordan) show R0a has been there for at least 10,000 years. R0a can safetley be called a Western Asian or at least Middle Eastern haplogroup. Its existence in Europe might have many different sources. My guess is most derives from a mysterious Near Eastern migration to Southern Europe which occurred in an unknown date after 3000 BC. These mysterious migrations no one knows a lot about yet affected Southern Italy the most. That could be why 1% of Southern Italians in my spreadsheet have R0a and why you have it.

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    Your mtDNA is one of the rarest in Italy. Overall 1% of R0 on Boattini et al and less than 1% on Sarno et al for Southern Italy and Sicily of R0 (3 case on 313 samples) ;)
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    ROa, or at least RO has been found in Iron Age Catalonia and Denmark and in Magdalenian Europe.


    Iberian Spain Puig de Sant Andreu (Ullastret), Girona, Catalonia [UE 14015-1] M 535-200 BC R0 16362 7028T, 14766C. Recorded as Pre-HV Sampietro 2005

    Denmark Bøgebjerggård [B2] M 0 BC/AD R0a 7028T, 16126C, 16355T, 16362C Melchior 2008a

    We also have it in far older periods, in Magdalenian Spain. No need to limit its arrival necessarily to periods after 3000 BC or to Italy.

    Magdalenian Spain La Pasiega (Cantabria) [PS-1] R0 or HV rCRS in HVRI, G73A, reported as H Hervella 2012

    I have no idea why 23andme would label it as necessarily "Jewish" in Europe. Very odd.

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    in the Levant ..............7600 years ago

    Ain Ghazal T
    ID I1707 AG83_5
    Y DNA T1-PF5610 (xT1a1-Z526, T1a1a-CTS9163, T1a1a-CTS2607, T1a2-S11611, T1a2-Y6031, T1a2a1-P322, T1a3a-Y9189)
    Population Neolithic Farmers
    Language -
    Culture Late Middle PPNB
    Date (YBP) 9573 ± 39
    House / Location Ain Ghazal
    mtDNA R0a
    Eye Color: Green or Hazel
    Hair Color: Brown
    Skin Pigmentation Light
    ABO Blood Group Likely O or B

    'Ain Ghazal (" Spring of the Gazelles") is situated in a relatively rich environmental setting immediately adjacent to the Wadi Zarqa, the longest drainage system in highland Jordan.
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    From Geno 2.0

    "Branch: R0
    Age: About 41,000 Years Ago

    Location of Origin: West Asia

    Some individuals moved across West Asia into Central Asia and then the Indus Valley. Others moved south, heading back into the African homeland from where their ancestors had recently departed.

    Later, members of this lineage moved north across the Caucasus Mountains and west across Anatolia into Europe. These were Cro-Magnon. Their arrival in Europe heralded the end of the era of the Neanderthals.

    Today, members of this lineage are present around the Red Sea and widely throughout the region. While this genetic lineage is common in Ethiopia and Somalia, individuals from this group are present at highest frequency in Arabia. Those living in East Africa are the likely result of more recent migrations back into the continent.

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