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    Ust'-Ishim and Oase1 belong to Haplogroup NO* according to a Chinese team

    Ancient Siberian and European remains, Ust'-Ishim and Oase1, belongs to haplogroup NO* according to a this new paper:

    http://biorxiv.org/content/early/2017/01/18/101410
    Last edited by Alpenjager; 27-01-17 at 07:41.

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    This was already determined by amateurs, then published in a proper paper by Poznik et al, "Punctuated bursts in human male demography".

    So we don't need to rely on this highly dubious preprint for that information, thankfully.

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    By the way, Oase-1 is on GEDmatch:

    http://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads...l=1#post500790

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alpenjager View Post
    Ancient Siberian and European remains, Ust'-Ishim and Oase1, belongs to haplogroup NO* according to a this new paper:

    http://biorxiv.org/content/early/2017/01/18/101410
    Would be interesting to see if there are more people who match with Ust-Ushim (Gedmatch Ancient DNA).
    My aDNA match is 6 cM.
    How did it spread form Siberia to the North Sea?
    The guess is that in the Iron Age (early middle ages) trough the Finno-Ugric (high in N) from the East Sea to the North Sea. The Frisians were (6/7/8 th century AD) well known (slave-)traders in the Balticum.
    Beter guesses are welcome!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Northener View Post
    Would be interesting to see if there are more people who match with Ust-Ushim (Gedmatch Ancient DNA).
    My aDNA match is 6 cM.
    How did it spread form Siberia to the North Sea?
    The guess is that in the Iron Age (early middle ages) trough the Finno-Ugric (high in N) from the East Sea to the North Sea. The Frisians were (6/7/8 th century AD) well known (slave-)traders in the Balticum.
    Beter guesses are welcome!
    he's gone extinct
    apart from being K, he has only 2 SNP's in common with NO

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    Quote Originally Posted by bicicleur View Post
    he's gone extinct
    apart from being K, he has only 2 SNP's in common with NO
    Ok....But what explains the connection?


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    Ust'-Ishim and Oase1 belong to Haplogroup NO* according to a Chinese team

    Quote Originally Posted by bicicleur View Post
    he's gone extinct
    apart from being K, he has only 2 SNP's in common with NO
    Connected with Indo European R1b: http://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_K_mtDNA.shtml


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    Quote Originally Posted by bicicleur View Post
    he's gone extinct
    apart from being K, he has only 2 SNP's in common with NO
    a year ago he was called ydna X .......above NO but X is now

    Haplogroup K2e (K-M147) was previously known as "Haplogroup X" and "K2a" (but is a sibling subclade of the present K2a).
    có che un pòpoło no 'l defende pi ła só łéngua el xe prónto par èser s'ciavo

    when a people no longer dares to defend its language it is ripe for slavery.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bicicleur View Post
    he's gone extinct
    apart from being K, he has only 2 SNP's in common with NO
    Quote Originally Posted by Sile View Post
    a year ago he was called ydna X .......above NO but X is now

    Haplogroup K2e (K-M147) was previously known as "Haplogroup X" and "K2a" (but is a sibling subclade of the present K2a).

    Thank you both.....mmmm label...relabel.....

    Than is this the right picture (would make sense in my 'case')? PS I guess not because this is MtDNA....there is/was a mtDNA K2a and a yDNA K2a....(to make it all simple ;)


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    I guess this is the right one for the Ust-Ishim Man:
    https://www.yfull.com/tree/NO/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Northener View Post
    Thank you both.....mmmm label...relabel.....

    Than is this the right picture (would make sense in my 'case')? PS I guess not because this is MtDNA....there is/was a mtDNA K2a and a yDNA K2a....(to make it all simple ;)

    I was not talking about K2a for mtdna

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sile View Post
    I was not talking about K2a for mtdna
    Ok But I guess the y full tree is the correct one? Or not....looks like accountancy hahahha


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    Quote Originally Posted by Northener View Post
    Ok But I guess the y full tree is the correct one? Or not....looks like accountancy hahahha


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    check out

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paragroup

    M Van Oven and the others are the only ones that make the new accepted world-wide ydna and mtdna haplogroup trees

    Yfull just branch from this tree

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