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Thread: H95a - Alpine Italian marker ?

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    Y-DNA haplogroup
    T1a2 - SK1480
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    H95a

    Ethnic group
    North Italian
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    Another match for me ( 3rd to 6th cousin ) 2 shared segments , also shared with my sister

    via surname Burkhardt
    to
    Atilana Vettorazzi
    from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Levico_Terme
    Trentino


    ................................................

    same distant and match as my confirmed grandmother sister Maternal side with the Vendrasco family from Oné 31010 Province of Treviso

    and same again with the Mara von Escher match from Trentino

    all are linked
    Fathers mtdna ...... T2b17
    Grandfather mtdna ... T1a1e
    Sons mtdna ...... K1a4p
    Mothers line ..... R1b-S8172
    Grandmother paternal side ... I1-CTS6397
    Wife paternal line ..... R1a-Z282

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    Another mtdna match

    Steiner family from Barbian South Tyrol

    oldest I was told

    Anna Steiner b.1781
    father Michael
    mother Maria Gagriller also from barbian

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbian

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    Another match for me ...........this time in
    Zufikon
    Aargau, 5620 Switzerland

    Justina Eichholzer circa 1900

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    Another H95a match for myself and my sister

    surname = Chrzan
    from......Visby Gotland, Sweden

    All other swedes I have ( 4 of them ) are from Scania Sweden

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    Swedish Maiden names are impossible to track...every surname is different for the women following daughter to mother to grandmother etc

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    Got a email from Annika ( sweden ) yesterday in regards to her grandmother South-Tyrol H95a origins ...................migrated via marriage to Sweden 1919
    They have very close matches to familiy surnamed Zordan ( Giordano in Italian )...2nd cousins .................link found in Queensland Australia ( more investigations needed by me )

    Origine del cognome Zordan

    Origine

    Deriva da modificazioni dialettali del nome Giordano.
    Tracce di questa cognomizzazione si trovano nel 1400 a Venezia con il Notaio Daniele Zordan che esercitò dal 1484 al 1517.
    Il cognome Zordan è tipico veneto, con massima concentrazione nel vicentino.


    I cannot see any notable % of the name in Trentino area
    file:///C:/Users/User/AppData/Local/Temp/899163_nachnamen_in_suedtirol_-_2010.pdf

    Zorda è quasi unico ed è quasi sicuramente dovuto ad un errore di trascrizione di Zordan, che è tipico veneto, con massima concentrazione nel vicentino, Zordani, quasi unico, è dovuto a errori di trascrizione, derivano da modificazioni dialettali del nome Giordano, tracce di questa cognominizzazione le troviamo nel 1400 a Venezia con il Notaio Daniele Zordan che esercitò dal 1484 al 1517.

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    Another H95a , further details................my closest match in ftdna ...............surname Ciot from Vittorio Veneto ( town was known as Ceneda prior WW1 ) and also nearly town fregona.

    Ciotti/Ciot oltre che da una forma ipocoristica aferetica di Felice, potrebbe derivare dall'aggettivo medievale 'ciotto' = "sciancato", mantenutosi nell'antico italiano.

    They are also related to the Ciot of Prata di Pordenone


    I am linked with this line that died in WW1
    CIOT Antonio ...........S. Giovanni al Natisone T.492 ..........11/1/1917

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    Quote Originally Posted by torzio View Post
    Got a email from Annika ( sweden ) yesterday in regards to her grandmother South-Tyrol H95a origins ...................migrated via marriage to Sweden 1919
    They have very close matches to familiy surnamed Zordan ( Giordano in Italian )...2nd cousins .................link found in Queensland Australia ( more investigations needed by me )

    Origine del cognome Zordan

    Origine

    Deriva da modificazioni dialettali del nome Giordano.
    Tracce di questa cognomizzazione si trovano nel 1400 a Venezia con il Notaio Daniele Zordan che esercitò dal 1484 al 1517.
    Il cognome Zordan è tipico veneto, con massima concentrazione nel vicentino.


    I cannot see any notable % of the name in Trentino area
    file:///C:/Users/User/AppData/Local/Temp/899163_nachnamen_in_suedtirol_-_2010.pdf

    Zorda è quasi unico ed è quasi sicuramente dovuto ad un errore di trascrizione di Zordan, che è tipico veneto, con massima concentrazione nel vicentino, Zordani, quasi unico, è dovuto a errori di trascrizione, derivano da modificazioni dialettali del nome Giordano, tracce di questa cognominizzazione le troviamo nel 1400 a Venezia con il Notaio Daniele Zordan che esercitò dal 1484 al 1517.

    Further drilling down ( easy because Women do not take the husband surname in Marriage ) ....found Zordan mother wassurname Carlassare from Cogollo del Cengio , Vicenza Province.......her mother was a Panozzo from Tresche Conca ( now known as Roana ) , this Panozzo was Teresa Panozzo born 1820 who married Francesco Lello.......
    Lello matches me also in my ydna matches

    The Lello family in USA seem to be un-contactable as this is where Lello link me to

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    Quote Originally Posted by torzio View Post
    Another mtdna match

    Steiner family from Barbian South Tyrol

    oldest I was told

    Anna Steiner b.1781
    father Michael
    mother Maria Gagriller also from barbian

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbian

    This line of H95a ( found recently in the Hafner family tree ) went from Steiner to Scheider to Stanger and to Peroni 1935-1997 ...............all from Innsbruck to Trento line

    Pity the woman change their surname after marriage, hard to follow

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    Quote Originally Posted by torzio View Post
    Further drilling down ( easy because Women do not take the husband surname in Marriage ) ....found Zordan mother wassurname Carlassare from Cogollo del Cengio , Vicenza Province.......her mother was a Panozzo from Tresche Conca ( now known as Roana ) , this Panozzo was Teresa Panozzo born 1820 who married Francesco Lello.......
    Lello matches me also in my ydna matches

    The Lello family in USA seem to be un-contactable as this is where Lello link me to

    In contact with the person who runs this family line and they are H95a also have a line which is from Falze Veneto

    my search begins here
    https://www.findagrave.com/cemetery/...munal-cemetery

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    traced another swedish line of H95a ................linked with me in Ftdna and Geni ............spoken to family member recently ..............

    This is the hokansdotter line
    born sweden, died in finland

    Kreeta Hookanantytär


    English (default): Kreeta Hookanantytär, Swedish: Greta Håkansdotter


    Gender: Female
    Birth: 1630
    Replösa, Ljungby, Sweden
    Death: May 27, 1693 (62-63)
    Alperi, Veteli, Finland


    ........................
    she only had one daughter.......see below
    ........................
    Kaarina Mikontytär


    Swedish: Carin Mickelsdotter

    Gender: Female
    Birth: October 16, 1666
    Veteli, Finland

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    Quote Originally Posted by torzio View Post
    traced another swedish line of H95a ................linked with me in Ftdna and Geni ............spoken to family member recently ..............

    This is the hokansdotter line
    born sweden, died in finland

    Kreeta Hookanantytär


    English (default): Kreeta Hookanantytär, Swedish: Greta Håkansdotter


    Gender: Female
    Birth: 1630
    Replösa, Ljungby, Sweden
    Death: May 27, 1693 (62-63)
    Alperi, Veteli, Finland


    ........................
    she only had one daughter.......see below
    ........................
    Kaarina Mikontytär


    Swedish: Carin Mickelsdotter

    Gender: Female
    Birth: October 16, 1666
    Veteli, Finland


    Mitochondrial DNA H95a: found in Sweden and north-east Italy (https://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_H_mtDNA.shtml).
    YFull (https://www.yfull.com/) gives the haplo group an age estimation of 5400 (700-19200) years.


    This mtDNA haplo is also found in Finland. It seems, that Greta Håkansdotter [Kreeta Hookanantytär Alberi] brought the haplo to Finland with her. She was born in Ljungby, Southern Sweden, around 1630, and came as a soldier's wife over to Kälviä, Western Finland, about 1660. She has thousands of descendants in Finland. Three persons in her straight maternal line proved by the church rercords has been tested to mitochondrial DNA haplo H95a by FTDNA.


    Kreeta Hookanantytär Alberi

    Greta Håkansdotter had worked with her first husband in Kälviä (Kelviå), Finland. After his death, she married former soldier Mickel Larsson. Their only known child, Karen, was born in 1666. The couple started a farm called Alberg in Röring Village, Veteli in the 1670’s. Mickel Larsson was registered as being the master of the Alberg homestead between the years 1676-1786. Karen Mickelsdotter’s husband Jakob Eskilsson Saukko followed Lars Mickelsson as the master of Alberg. They used the last name Alperi or Alberi.
    The vicar of Kokkola (Karleby) parish Isak Falander visited the chapel parish of Veteli in 1673. He asked if there was witchcraft practiced among the parishioners. A woman called Sisilia, the wife of Erik Pakkala, then told that she had seen Greta Håkansdotter take the Holy Bread out of her mouth and hide it while having Holy communion last Easter. Greta was taken to the court. She defended herself by explaining that as she had lost ther upper front teeth, she had to close her mouth with the help of her fingers. Greta was ordered to vow ”herself as the 12th” that she was not a witch. Finding 11 persons to wittness for her innocence must not have been easy in a small village. She either managed to do that or the charges were otherwise dropped, for she did not suffer a death sentence.

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    Leila Hilja Annikki Syri

    Swedish: Syri
    Gender: Female
    Birth: February 23, 1937
    Lestijärvi, Finland
    Death: August 10, 2010 (73)
    Södertälje, Stockholm County, Sweden
    Place of Burial: Södertälje, Stockholm County, Sweden
    Immediate Family: Daughter of Matti Syri and <private> (Lintilä)
    Wife of <private> Määttä
    Mother of Maarit Helen Ströberg
    DNA Markers: H95a

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    Maija Kreeta Lintilä (Tuikka)

    Gender: Female
    Birth: March 20, 1879
    Lestijärvi, Finland
    Death: January 09, 1910
    Lestijärvi, Finland
    DNA Markers: H95a

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    Maija Kreeta Lintilä (Tuikka)



    Gender: Female
    Birth: March 20, 1879
    Lestijärvi, Finland
    Death: January 09, 1910
    Lestijärvi, Finland
    DNA Markers: H95a

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    Susanna Erkintytär Liedes

    Finnish: Liedes, Swedish: Susanna Eriksdotter
    Gender: Female
    Birth: March 20, 1785
    Liedes, Halsua, Finland
    Death: March 22, 1858 (73)
    Liedes, Halsua, Finland
    Daughter of Erkki Matinpoika Liedes and Kaarina Juhontytär Löija


    DNA Markers: H95a

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    Quote Originally Posted by torzio View Post
    Further drilling down ( easy because Women do not take the husband surname in Marriage ) ....found Zordan mother wassurname Carlassare from Cogollo del Cengio , Vicenza Province.......her mother was a Panozzo from Tresche Conca ( now known as Roana ) , this Panozzo was Teresa Panozzo born 1820 who married Francesco Lello.......
    Lello matches me also in my ydna matches

    The Lello family in USA seem to be un-contactable as this is where Lello link me to

    further down the rabbit hole

    The Italian Tyrolese /Swede match is via surname Holler, through Gruber ..............this line went through to the Panz family of 1775 from Liebenau, Austria


    The Kournay line ( another mtdna match with H95a via the Dimpfl family) is attached with this Panz line via Nosek family, the earlier line is Grecheler and earlier than this is the Schaeffer line from Klosterneuburg, Austria


    So, it seems my south Tyrol via the Swede and the Austria line via Dimpfl seem to be linked
    Last edited by torzio; 30-07-21 at 22:50.

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    I wonder if the Panozzo of the tyrolese-italian line is linked with the Panz line ????????????????
    Last edited by torzio; 29-07-21 at 23:13.

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