MDLP MDLP K16 Modern

Angela · Jun 7, 2017

I may be wrong, but I was told that Italian_North in this is the sample from the Piemonte/Lombardia border. Someone should ask the creator of the calculator.

On most other calculators Italy north is Bergamo.

Sorcelow · Jun 7, 2017

Is there a way that you could post my results on that PCA?

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 37.35
2 Neolithic 26.45
3 Steppe 15.8
4 NorthEastEuropean 13.68
5 NearEast 3.9
6 NorthAfrican 1.41
7 Indian 0.79
8 Arctic 0.62

MsJ · Jun 7, 2017

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Neolithic 28.97
2 NorthEastEuropean 23.87
3 Steppe 22.47
4 Caucasian 20.89
5 NearEast 1
6 NorthAfrican 0.94
7 Oceanic 0.79
8 Ancestor 0.4
9 EastAfrican 0.3
10 Arctic 0.23
11 Amerindian

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 French 3.61
2 German 3.61
3 Scottish 3.7
4 Scottish 3.74
5 French 3.79
6 French 3.91
7 Scottish 3.91
8 Welsh 3.99
9 English 4.22
10 Scottish 4.42
11 Irish 4.56
12 Irish 4.6
13 Scottish 4.71
14 Dutch 4.81
15 Irish 4.84
16 Shetlandic 4.91
17 Irish 4.96
18 French 5.16
19 German_Lipsian 5.21
20 Hungarian 5.39

#	Primary Population (source)	Secondary Population (source)	Distance
1	90%	English	+	10%	Turk	@	1.58
2	70%	English	+	30%	Bulgarian	@	1.58
3	68.2%	Orcadian	+	31.8%	Italian	@	1.64
4	68%	English	+	32%	Macedonian	@	1.64
5	80.1%	English	+	19.9%	Greek	@	1.64
6	68.3%	English	+	31.7%	Macedonian	@	1.76
7	69.2%	Scottish	+	30.8%	Italian	@	1.77
8	89.7%	English	+	10.3%	Armenian	@	1.78
9	77.6%	English	+	22.4%	Albanian	@	1.78
10	67.1%	Orcadian	+	32.9%	Kosovar	@	1.78
11	77.6%	English	+	22.4%	Greek	@	1.79
12	74.5%	English	+	25.5%	Kosovar	@	1.8
13	63.5%	Icelandic	+	36.5%	Italian	@	1.83
14	89.9%	English	+	10.1%	Jew	@	1.85
15	70.5%	English	+	29.5%	Bulgarian	@	1.87
16	70.7%	Orcadian	+	29.3%	Albanian	@	1.88
17	74.4%	English	+	25.6%	Gagauz	@	1.88
18	70.7%	Orcadian	+	29.3%	Greek	@	1.88
19	71.5%	English	+	28.5%	Bulgarian	@	1.9
20	64.6%	English	+	35.4%	Montenegrian	@	1.9

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% French +50% Scottish @ 2.765133

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% English +25% Greek +25% Scottish @ 1.486575

Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Albanian + French + Orcadian + Scottish @ 1.441653
2 French + Kosovar + Scottish + Scottish @ 1.452274
3 English + German + Macedonian + Scottish @ 1.458537
4 French + Greek + Orcadian + Scottish @ 1.474812
5 Bulgarian + English + French + Scottish @ 1.485858
6 English + English + Greek + Scottish @ 1.486575
7 Albanian + English + English + Scottish @ 1.491549
8 Albanian + French + Orcadian + Orcadian @ 1.505911
9 French + Kosovar + Orcadian + Scottish @ 1.517727
10 Albanian + English + English + Scottish @ 1.529291
11 French + Greek + Orcadian + Orcadian @ 1.532429
12 French + Macedonian + Scottish + Scottish @ 1.536726
13 German + Kosovar + Scottish + Scottish @ 1.538244
14 English + Greek + Orcadian + Scottish @ 1.540328
15 French + Greek + Icelandic + Scottish @ 1.544938
16 Bulgarian + English + French + Scottish @ 1.550431
17 English + English + Greek + Orcadian @ 1.553439
18 German + Kosovar + Orcadian + Scottish @ 1.559314
19 Albanian + English + English + Orcadian @ 1.561331
20 Albanian + English + English + Orcadian @ 1.563336

ETA wow I'm a mutt. So primary Neolithic is a British Isles thing?

davef · Jun 7, 2017

@MsJ
Southern Europeans have the most amount of (european) neolithic ancestry.

MsJ · Jun 7, 2017

davef said:
@MsJ
Southern Europeans have the most amount of (european) neolithic ancestry.

But I see members with strong British Isles ancestry as having these ratios. My primary/secondary population percentages seem odd compared to the rest of you guys as well. Any idea what that signifies?

Valerius · Jun 7, 2017

#

	Population	Percent
1	Caucasian	29.53
2	Neolithic	26.83
3	NorthEastEuropean	21.23
4	Steppe	17.27
5	NearEast	2.53
6	Oceanic	1.16
7	NorthAfrican	0.93
8	Arctic	0.41
9	Australian	0.11

Single Population Sharing:

#	Population (source)	Distance
1	Montenegrian	2.05
2	Serbian	2.64
3	Macedonian	2.74
4	Romanian	3.08
5	Romanian	3.5
6	Bulgarian	3.71
7	Moldavian	3.92
8	Bulgarian	4.41
9	Serbian	4.86
10	Bosnian	5.06
11	Croat	5.31
12	Italian	5.46
13	Croat	6.16
14	Swiss	6.41
15	Romanian	6.52
16	Gagauz	6.78
17	Austrian	6.94
18	Kosovar	7.04
19	Provencal	8
20	Slovenian	8.04

davef · Jun 8, 2017

MsJ said:
But I see members with strong British Isles ancestry as having these ratios. My primary/secondary population percentages seem odd compared to the rest of you guys as well. Any idea what that signifies?

I strangely remember you scoring high west asian in one of the other tests and in this one you're getting a dash of near east as well as various Southern European/west asiatic groups showing up in your results. Small ancestry from Southern Europe/west Asia is possible, or you're 100 percent what you think you are ancestry wise, just a bit more southern than average.

I'm no expert, but this is my view.

MsJ · Jun 8, 2017

davef said:
I strangely remember you scoring high west asian in one of the other tests and in this one you're getting a dash of near east as well as various Southern European/west asiatic groups showing up in your results. Small ancestry from Southern Europe/west Asia is possible, or you're 100 percent what you think you are ancestry wise, just a bit more southern than average.

I'm no expert, but this is my view.

Thank you. i am open to anything. Mom and I both have Mongolian spots that persisted into adulthood and I don't know (not even on paper) about 1/4 of my tree. So anything is possible. It's just that I was born in Appalachia which is a very insular community. But people came and went when there was a mining boom and my great grandmother was an orphan so Southern Europe is possible. She is where I get my black hair. I have another great grandmother whose parentage is unknown and she was "native american". From my results, I didn't get her DNA if she was. But I see why everyone thought so from looks. Sorry to ramble. Anything is possible. And don't get me started on non paternal events!

Pratt · Jun 9, 2017

Angela said:
I may be wrong, but I was told that Italian_North in this is the sample from the Piemonte/Lombardia border. Someone should ask the creator of the calculator.

On most other calculators Italy north is Bergamo.

I don't know what Italian_North really is, all what I know is that Italian_Bergamo, used in most of the calculators, doesn't represent well the complexity and variability of North Italy. MDLP tools are slightly better than Eurogenes because also other northern Italian samples are taken in consideration.

Stuvanè · Jun 11, 2017

My MDLP K16 results (from eastern Emilia/Romagna)

#PopulationPercent
1 Caucasian 32.08
2 Neolithic 29.81
3 Steppe 18.03
4 North East European 14.15
5 Near East 5.09
6 North African 0.85

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Italian 4.48
2 Kosovar 5.09
3 Italian 5.76
4 Greek 6.08
5 Greek 6.49
6 Albanian 6.52
7 Macedonian 6.96
8 Corsican 7.06
9 Gagauz 7.21
10 Italian 7.35
11 Bulgarian 7.37
12 Greek 7.41
13 Romanian 7.77
14 Italian 7.81
15 Italian 7.91
16 Romanian 8.31
17 Montenegrian 8.46
18 Bulgarian 9.06
19 Romanian 9.11
20 Swiss 9.22

zanipolo · Jun 11, 2017

mine below ...................father and mother australian born but have north-italian ancestry

[h=2]MDLP K16 Modern Oracle results:[/h]MDLP K16 2xOracle and OracleX4

Kit M879117

Admix Results (sorted):

#	Population	Percent
1	Neolithic	30.9
2	Caucasian	27.4
3	NorthEastEuropean	21.14
4	Steppe	17.25
5	NorthAfrican	1.73
6	NearEast	1.42
7	Indian	0.15

Single Population Sharing:

#	Population (source)	Distance
1	Montenegrian	4.92
2	Serbian	4.92
3	Italian	5.47
4	Romanian	5.51
5	Provencal	5.77
6	Romanian	5.93
7	Macedonian	5.94
8	Swiss	6.06
9	French	6.18
10	French	6.46
11	Moldavian	6.56
12	German	6.74
13	Bosnian	6.94
14	Italian	6.96
15	Serbian	7.05
16	Croat	7.15
17	Bulgarian	7.19
18	Croat	7.63
19	Bulgarian	7.72
20	German	7.76

test was with 23andme v4

zanipolo · Jun 11, 2017

Pratt said:
I don't know what Italian_North really is, all what I know is that Italian_Bergamo, used in most of the calculators, doesn't represent well the complexity and variability of North Italy. MDLP tools are slightly better than Eurogenes because also other northern Italian samples are taken in consideration.

Italian Bergamo also represents the italian swiss

Pratt · Jul 10, 2017

Sorcelow said:
Is there a way that you could post my results on that PCA?

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 37.35
2 Neolithic 26.45
3 Steppe 15.8
4 NorthEastEuropean 13.68
5 NearEast 3.9
6 NorthAfrican 1.41
7 Indian 0.79
8 Arctic 0.62

Pratt · Jul 10, 2017

zanipolo said:
Italian Bergamo also represents the italian swiss

i don't think so. Italian Swiss are bit more north-western than Italian Bergamo

alexfritz · Dec 29, 2017

Population
Amerindian	-
Ancestor	-
Steppe	17.50
Indian	-
Arctic	0.33
Australian	-
Caucasian	27.12
EastAfrican	-
NorthEastEuropean	20.02
NearEast	2.52
Neolithic	32.03
NorthAfrican	0.37
Oceanic	0.11
Siberian	-
SouthEastAsian	-
Subsaharian	-

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% German_Germany +50% Italian_Tuscany @ 2.523514

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% German_Germany +25% Greek_Greece +25% Italian_Bergamo @ 2.275624

Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Dutch_Netherlands + Italian_Bergamo + Italian_Bergamo + Macedonian_Macedonia @ 2.191543
2 French_France + Italian_Bergamo + Kosovar_Kosovo + Serbian_Serbia @ 2.259655
3 German_Germany + Italian_Bergamo + Italian_Bergamo + Macedonian_Macedonia @ 2.269082
4 Bulgarian_Bulgaria + Dutch_Netherlands + Italian_Bergamo + Italian_Bergamo @ 2.270628
5 German_Germany + Italian_Bergamo + Italian_Bergamo + Serbian_Serbia @ 2.272066
6 Greek_Thessaloniki + Italian_Bergamo + Italian_Bergamo + Norwegian_Norwegia @ 2.273309
7 German_Germany + German_Germany + Greek_Greece + Italian_Bergamo @ 2.275624
8 German_Germany + Italian_Bergamo + Italian_Bergamo + Montenegrian_Montenegro @ 2.281380
9 German_Germany + Italian_Bergamo + Italian_Tuscany + Serbian_Bosnia-Herzegovina @ 2.284153
10 Bulgarian_Bulgaria + German_Germany + Italian_Bergamo + Italian_Bergamo @ 2.289203
11 German_Germany + German_Germany + Greek_Thessaloniki + Italian_Bergamo @ 2.293170
12 Italian_Bergamo + Italian_Bergamo + Kosovar_Kosovo + Norwegian_Norwegia @ 2.305733
13 German_Lipsian_(Saxony) + Italian_Bergamo + Italian_Bergamo + Macedonian_Macedonia @ 2.314985
14 French_France + Italian_Bergamo + Italian_Tuscany + Serbian_Bosnia-Herzegovina @ 2.315019
15 German_Germany + Italian_Bergamo + Italian_Bergamo + Serbian_Bosnia-Herzegovina @ 2.320942
16 Dutch_Netherlands + Italian_Bergamo + Italian_Bergamo + Kosovar_Kosovo @ 2.323166
17 German_Germany + German_Germany + Italian_Tuscany + Kosovar_Kosovo @ 2.330178
18 Albanian_Albania + Italian_Bergamo + Italian_Bergamo + Norwegian_Norwegia @ 2.330692
19 Croat_Croatia + German_Germany + Italian_Bergamo + Italian_Tuscany @ 2.333167
20 Bulgarian_Bulgaria + English_Kent + Italian_Bergamo + Italian_Bergamo @ 2.335805

IronSide · Dec 29, 2017

1	Caucasian	38.59
2	NearEast	28.58
3	Neolithic	11.81
4	EastAfrican	6.84
5	NorthAfrican	5.08
6	Steppe	4.83
7	Indian	2.63
8	Arctic	0.86
9	Oceanic	0.78

Single Population Sharing:

#	Population (source)	Distance
1	BedouinA (Negev)	6.35
2	Jew (Yemen)	6.92
3	Saudi (Saudi_Arabia)	8.61
4	Palestinian (Israel)	11.48
5	Egyptian (Kuwait)	11.96
6	Arab_Israel (Shefa_Amr)	12.49
7	Egyptian (Mansoura_Cairo)	13.35
8	Jordanian (Jordanian)	13.91
9	Samaritan (Israel)	14.11
10	Syrian (Syria)	14.71
11	Egyptian (Egypt)	15.01
12	Arab_Israel (Iqrit)	15.59
13	Lebanese_Muslim (Lebanon)	16.31
14	Lebanese_Christian (Lebanon)	17.17
15	Jew (Syria)	17.59
16	Lebanese (Lebanon)	18.98
17	Libyan (Libya)	19.07
18	Iraki (Irak)	19.2
19	Assyrian (Iran)	19.25
20	Jew (Kurdish)	19.68

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

#	Primary Population (source)	Secondary Population (source)	Distance
1	63.3%	Saudi (Saudi_Arabia)	+	36.7%	Samaritan (Israel)	@	3.24
2	65.7%	Saudi (Saudi_Arabia)	+	34.3%	Arab_Israel (Iqrit)	@	3.29
3	68.1%	Saudi (Saudi_Arabia)	+	31.9%	Lebanese_Christian (Lebanon)	@	3.47
4	73.5%	Saudi (Saudi_Arabia)	+	26.5%	Cypriot (Cyprus)	@	3.65
5	83%	Palestinian (Israel)	+	17%	BedouinB (Negev)	@	3.66
6	68.9%	Saudi (Saudi_Arabia)	+	31.1%	Jew (Syria)	@	3.77
7	91.4%	Jew (Yemen)	+	8.6%	Basque (France)	@	3.78
8	89%	Jew (Yemen)	+	11%	Spanish (Castilla_la_Mancha)	@	3.79
9	58.4%	Saudi (Saudi_Arabia)	+	41.6%	Palestinian (Israel)	@	3.8
10	67.3%	Saudi (Saudi_Arabia)	+	32.7%	Lebanese_Muslim (Lebanon)	@	3.81
11	63.5%	Saudi (Saudi_Arabia)	+	36.5%	Jordanian (Jordanian)	@	3.89
12	89.6%	Jew (Yemen)	+	10.4%	Spanish (Aragon)	@	3.91
13	87.4%	Jew (Yemen)	+	12.6%	Provencal (Provence)	@	3.97
14	83.2%	Jew (Yemen)	+	16.8%	Italian (Abruzzo)	@	3.99
15	78.6%	Jew (Yemen)	+	21.4%	Jew (Turkey)	@	3.99
16	89.2%	Jew (Yemen)	+	10.8%	French (France)	@	4.02
17	88.8%	Jew (Yemen)	+	11.2%	Spanish (Andalucia)	@	4.02
18	85.9%	Jew (Yemen)	+	14.1%	Italian (Tuscany)	@	4.02
19	89.3%	Jew (Yemen)	+	10.7%	Irish (Cork_Kerry)	@	4.03
20	85.9%	Jew (Yemen)	+	14.1%	Romanian (Romania)	@	4.03

Great, and now my country's intelligence agency would think I'm a spy working for Israel :grin:

AdeoF · Dec 29, 2017

Amerindian	-
Ancestor	-
Steppe	19.38
Indian	-
Arctic	-
Australian	0.28
Caucasian	20.86
EastAfrican	0.72
NorthEastEuropean	18.30
NearEast	2.36
Neolithic	34.21
NorthAfrican	3.73
Oceanic	0.17
Siberian	-
SouthEastAsian	-
Subsaharian

1	Spanish (Spain)	3.17
2	Spanish (Baleares)	3.83
3	Provencal (Provence)	4.53
4	Spanish (Extremadura)	5.03
5	Portuguese (Portugal)	5.69
6	Spanish (Galicia)	5.8
7	Spanish (Cataluna)	5.96
8	French (EastFrance)	6.4
9	French (NorthwestFrance)	6.46
10	Spanish (Murcia)	6.61
11	French (France)	6.69
12	Spanish (Andalucia)	6.75
13	German (Germany)	6.98
14	Italian (Bergamo)	7.56
15	Spanish (Castilla_y_Leon)	7.62
16	Spanish (Valencia)	7.76
17	Swiss (Switzerland)	8.5
18	Spanish (Castilla_la_Mancha)	8.57
19	Corsican (Corsica)	9.08
20	Italian (Friul)	9.41

1 56.6% Spanish (Castilla_la_Mancha) + 43.4% Montenegrian (Montenegro) @ 1.61
2 57.2% Spanish (Castilla_la_Mancha) + 42.8% Serbian (Serbia) @ 1.72
3 55.1% Spanish (Aragon) + 44.9% Macedonian (Macedonia) @ 1.76
4 56.6% Spanish (Castilla_la_Mancha) + 43.4% Romanian (Apuseni) @ 1.77
5 52.8% Spanish (Aragon) + 47.2% Montenegrian (Montenegro) @ 2.01
6 79.2% Spanish (Baleares) + 20.8% Hungarian (WestUkraine) @ 2.01
7 52.8% Spanish (Aragon) + 47.2% Romanian (Apuseni) @ 2.05
8 59.5% Spanish (Aragon) + 40.5% Bulgarian (Bulgaria) @ 2.07
9 65.4% Spanish (Baleares) + 34.6% French (EastFrance) @ 2.12
10 59.2% Spanish (Cantabria) + 40.8% Gagauz (Gagauzia) @ 2.15
11 79.3% Spanish (Baleares) + 20.7% German_Lipsian ((Saxony)) @ 2.18
12 58.1% Spanish (Castilla_la_Mancha) + 41.9% Moldavian (Molodva) @ 2.19
13 61.4% Romanian (Gorj) + 38.6% French (SouthFrance) @ 2.2
14 79.6% Spanish (Baleares) + 20.4% Dutch (Netherlands) @ 2.22
15 68% Spanish (Baleares) + 32% German (Germany) @ 2.22
16 82.7% Spanish (Baleares) + 17.3% Pole (EastPoland) @ 2.23
17 77% Spanish (Baleares) + 23% Scottish (Dumfries_Galloway) @ 2.23
18 86.1% Spanish (Baleares) + 13.9% Cossack (Kuban) @ 2.25
19 71.1% Provencal (Provence) + 28.9% Spanish (Aragon) @ 2.25
20 75.1% Spanish (Baleares) + 24.9% Welsh (Wales) @ 2.27

Hmm how interesting but yes i am Spanish. However I score higher with German then Italian lol

Elizabeth60 · Dec 29, 2017

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Neolithic 29.09
2 NorthEastEuropean 27.18
3 Steppe 23.58
4 Caucasian 18.22
5 Indian 1.93

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Shetlandic (Shetland_Islands) 1.97
2 Scottish (Highlands) 2.36
3 Scottish (Dumfries_Galloway) 2.52
4 Irish (Connacht) 2.53
5 English (England) 2.64
6 Irish (Munster) 2.68
7 Scottish (Fife) 2.74
8 Scottish (Grampian) 2.81
9 Irish (Ulster) 2.83
10 English (Cornwall) 2.86
11 French (WestFrance) 2.87
12 Irish (Leinster) 2.92
13 Irish (Cork_Kerry) 2.93
14 Scottish (Borders) 2.96
15 English (Kent) 3.21
16 Dutch (Netherlands) 3.64
17 Orcadian (Orkney_Islands) 4.41
18 Scottish (Argyll_bute) 4.46
19 Welsh (Wales) 4.95
20 German_Lipsian ((Saxony)) 5.16

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 86.8% Shetlandic (Shetland_Islands) + 13.2% German (Germany) @ 1.79
2 57.3% Orcadian (Orkney_Islands) + 42.7% German (Germany) @ 1.86
3 71.5% English (Kent) + 28.5% Pole (EastPoland) @ 1.86
4 82% Shetlandic (Shetland_Islands) + 18% English (Kent) @ 1.88
5 91.8% Shetlandic (Shetland_Islands) + 8.2% French (France) @ 1.9
6 97.2% Shetlandic (Shetland_Islands) + 2.8% Italian (Bergamo) @ 1.91
7 57% Scottish (Argyll_bute) + 43% German (Germany) @ 1.91
8 59.4% English (Cornwall) + 40.6% Dutch (Netherlands) @ 1.91
9 98.8% Shetlandic (Shetland_Islands) + 1.2% Sardinian (Sardinia) @ 1.92
10 82.1% English (Kent) + 17.9% Cossack (Zaporozhie) @ 1.93
11 50.5% German (Germany) + 49.5% Icelandic (Iceland) @ 1.94
12 97.8% Shetlandic (Shetland_Islands) + 2.2% Spanish (Baleares) @ 1.94
13 98.4% Shetlandic (Shetland_Islands) + 1.6% Kosovar (Kosovo) @ 1.94
14 98% Shetlandic (Shetland_Islands) + 2% Macedonian (Macedonia) @ 1.94
15 98.6% Shetlandic (Shetland_Islands) + 1.4% Greek (Thessaloniki) @ 1.94
16 99.5% Shetlandic (Shetland_Islands) + 0.5% Turk (Trabzon) @ 1.95
17 98.7% Shetlandic (Shetland_Islands) + 1.3% Albanian (Albania) @ 1.95
18 97.9% Shetlandic (Shetland_Islands) + 2.1% Serbian (Serbia) @ 1.95
19 86.9% Shetlandic (Shetland_Islands) + 13.1% English (England) @ 1.95
20 65.2% English (Kent) + 34.8% German_Lipsian ((Saxony)) @
1.95

[FONT=&quot]Using 2 populations approximation:[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]1 50% Dutch_Netherlands +50% English_Kent @ 1.863048[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Using 3 populations approximation:[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]1 50% Dutch_Netherlands +25% English_Kent +25% English_Kent @ 1.863048[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Using 4 populations approximation:[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]1 German_Germany + Orcadian_Orkney_Islands + Shetlandic_Shetland_Islands + Shetlandic_Shetland_Islands @ 1.771157[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]2 Dutch_Netherlands + English_Cornwall + German_Germany + Orcadian_Orkney_Islands @ 1.784667[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]3 German_Germany + Scottish_Argyll_bute + Shetlandic_Shetland_Islands + Shetlandic_Shetland_Islands @ 1.788695[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]4 English_England + German_Germany + Norwegian_Norwegia + Shetlandic_Shetland_Islands @ 1.827064[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]5 German_Germany + Irish_Cork_Kerry + Norwegian_Norwegia + Shetlandic_Shetland_Islands @ 1.827834[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]6 Dutch_Netherlands + English_England + English_Kent + Shetlandic_Shetland_Islands @ 1.828939[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]7 Dutch_Netherlands + German_Germany + Irish_Ulster + Orcadian_Orkney_Islands @ 1.833052[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]8 Dutch_Netherlands + English_Kent + Shetlandic_Shetland_Islands + Shetlandic_Shetland_Islands @ 1.837282[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]9 English_England + English_Kent + English_Kent + Pole_EastPoland @ 1.838454[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]10 English_England + German_Germany + Icelandic_Iceland + Shetlandic_Shetland_Islands @ 1.842378[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]11 Dutch_Netherlands + German_Germany + Irish_Cork_Kerry + Orcadian_Orkney_Islands @ 1.845264[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]12 English_England + German_Germany + Irish_Cork_Kerry + Norwegian_Norwegia @ 1.846926[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]13 English_England + German_Germany + Orcadian_Orkney_Islands + Shetlandic_Shetland_Islands @ 1.847516[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]14 Dutch_Netherlands + English_Kent + German_Germany + Scottish_Argyll_bute @ 1.853884[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]15 German_Germany + Orcadian_Orkney_Islands + Scottish_Highlands + Shetlandic_Shetland_Islands @ 1.854654[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]16 German_Germany + Irish_Munster + Orcadian_Orkney_Islands + Shetlandic_Shetland_Islands @ 1.857291[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]17 Dutch_Netherlands + German_Germany + Orcadian_Orkney_Islands + Shetlandic_Shetland_Islands @ 1.858533[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]18 Dutch_Netherlands + English_Cornwall + German_Germany + Scottish_Argyll_bute @ 1.859172[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]19 Dutch_Netherlands + Dutch_Netherlands + English_Kent + English_Kent @ 1.863048[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]20 English_England + German_Germany + Irish_Connacht + Norwegian_Norwegia @ 1.868226[/FONT]

Angela · Dec 29, 2017

alexfritz said:
Population
Amerindian -
Ancestor -
Steppe 17.50
Indian -
Arctic 0.33
Australian -
Caucasian 27.12
EastAfrican -
NorthEastEuropean 20.02
NearEast 2.52
Neolithic 32.03
NorthAfrican 0.37
Oceanic 0.11
Siberian -
SouthEastAsian -
Subsaharian -

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% German_Germany +50% Italian_Tuscany @ 2.523514

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% German_Germany +25% Greek_Greece +25% Italian_Bergamo @ 2.275624

Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Dutch_Netherlands + Italian_Bergamo + Italian_Bergamo + Macedonian_Macedonia @ 2.191543
2 French_France + Italian_Bergamo + Kosovar_Kosovo + Serbian_Serbia @ 2.259655
3 German_Germany + Italian_Bergamo + Italian_Bergamo + Macedonian_Macedonia @ 2.269082
4 Bulgarian_Bulgaria + Dutch_Netherlands + Italian_Bergamo + Italian_Bergamo @ 2.270628
5 German_Germany + Italian_Bergamo + Italian_Bergamo + Serbian_Serbia @ 2.272066
6 Greek_Thessaloniki + Italian_Bergamo + Italian_Bergamo + Norwegian_Norwegia @ 2.273309
7 German_Germany + German_Germany + Greek_Greece + Italian_Bergamo @ 2.275624
8 German_Germany + Italian_Bergamo + Italian_Bergamo + Montenegrian_Montenegro @ 2.281380
9 German_Germany + Italian_Bergamo + Italian_Tuscany + Serbian_Bosnia-Herzegovina @ 2.284153
10 Bulgarian_Bulgaria + German_Germany + Italian_Bergamo + Italian_Bergamo @ 2.289203
11 German_Germany + German_Germany + Greek_Thessaloniki + Italian_Bergamo @ 2.293170
12 Italian_Bergamo + Italian_Bergamo + Kosovar_Kosovo + Norwegian_Norwegia @ 2.305733
13 German_Lipsian_(Saxony) + Italian_Bergamo + Italian_Bergamo + Macedonian_Macedonia @ 2.314985
14 French_France + Italian_Bergamo + Italian_Tuscany + Serbian_Bosnia-Herzegovina @ 2.315019
15 German_Germany + Italian_Bergamo + Italian_Bergamo + Serbian_Bosnia-Herzegovina @ 2.320942
16 Dutch_Netherlands + Italian_Bergamo + Italian_Bergamo + Kosovar_Kosovo @ 2.323166
17 German_Germany + German_Germany + Italian_Tuscany + Kosovar_Kosovo @ 2.330178
18 Albanian_Albania + Italian_Bergamo + Italian_Bergamo + Norwegian_Norwegia @ 2.330692
19 Croat_Croatia + German_Germany + Italian_Bergamo + Italian_Tuscany @ 2.333167
20 Bulgarian_Bulgaria + English_Kent + Italian_Bergamo + Italian_Bergamo @ 2.335805

You left out your list of first approximation populations.

davef · Dec 29, 2017

IronSide said:
My results:

1 Caucasian 38.59
2 NearEast 28.58
3 Neolithic 11.81
4 EastAfrican 6.84
5 NorthAfrican 5.08
6 Steppe 4.83
7 Indian 2.63
8 Arctic 0.86
9 Oceanic 0.78

1 BedouinA (Negev) 6.35
2 Jew (Yemen) 6.92
3 Saudi (Saudi_Arabia) 8.61
4 Palestinian (Israel) 11.48
5 Egyptian (Kuwait) 11.96
6 Arab_Israel 12.49
7 Egyptian 13.35
8 Jordanian (Jordanian) 13.91
9 Samaritan (Israel) 14.11
10 Syrian (Syria) 14.71
11 Egyptian (Egypt) 15.01
12 Arab_Israel (Iqrit) 15.59
13 Lebanese_Muslim 16.31
14 Lebanese_Christian 17.17
15 Jew (Syria) 17.59
16 Lebanese 18.98
17 Libyan (Libya) 19.07
18 Iraki (Irak) 19.2
19 Assyrian (Iran) 19.25
20 Jew (Kurdish) 19.68

1 63.3% Saudi (Saudi_Arabia) + 36.7% Samaritan (Israel) @ 3.24
2 65.7% Saudi (Saudi_Arabia) + 34.3% Arab_Israel (Iqrit) @ 3.29
3 68.1% Saudi (Saudi_Arabia) + 31.9% Lebanese_Christian (Lebanon) @ 3.47
4 73.5% Saudi (Saudi_Arabia) + 26.5% Cypriot (Cyprus) @ 3.65
5 83% Palestinian (Israel) + 17% BedouinB (Negev) @ 3.66
6 68.9% Saudi (Saudi_Arabia) + 31.1% Jew (Syria) @ 3.77
7 91.4% Jew (Yemen) + 8.6% Basque (France) @ 3.78
8 89% Jew (Yemen) + 11% Spanish (Castilla_la_Mancha) @ 3.79
9 58.4% Saudi (Saudi_Arabia) + 41.6% Palestinian (Israel) @ 3.8
10 67.3% Saudi (Saudi_Arabia) + 32.7% Lebanese_Muslim (Lebanon) @ 3.81
11 63.5% Saudi (Saudi_Arabia) + 36.5% Jordanian (Jordanian) @ 3.89
12 89.6% Jew (Yemen) + 10.4% Spanish (Aragon) @ 3.91
13 87.4% Jew (Yemen) + 12.6% Provencal (Provence) @ 3.97
14 83.2% Jew (Yemen) + 16.8% Italian (Abruzzo) @ 3.99
15 78.6% Jew (Yemen) + 21.4% Jew (Turkey) @ 3.99
16 89.2% Jew (Yemen) + 10.8% French (France) @ 4.02
17 88.8% Jew (Yemen) + 11.2% Spanish (Andalucia) @ 4.02
18 85.9% Jew (Yemen) + 14.1% Italian (Tuscany) @ 4.02
19 89.3% Jew (Yemen) + 10.7% Irish (Cork_Kerry) @ 4.03
20 85.9% Jew (Yemen) + 14.1% Romanian (Romania) @ 4.03

Great, and now my country's intelligence agency would think I'm a spy working for Israel :grin:

Why is the pca so vague when it comes to different Jewish groups or other groups?

#	Population (source)	Distance
1	Shetlandic (Shetland_Islands)	1.97
2	Scottish (Highlands)	2.36
3	Scottish (Dumfries_Galloway)	2.52
4	Irish (Connacht)	2.53
5	English (England)	2.64
6	Irish (Munster)	2.68
7	Scottish (Fife)	2.74
8	Scottish (Grampian)	2.81
9	Irish (Ulster)	2.83
10	English (Cornwall)	2.86
11	French (WestFrance)	2.87
12	Irish (Leinster)	2.92
13	Irish (Cork_Kerry)	2.93
14	Scottish (Borders)	2.96
15	English (Kent)	3.21
16	Dutch (Netherlands)	3.64
17	Orcadian (Orkney_Islands)	4.41
18	Scottish (Argyll_bute)	4.46
19	Welsh (Wales)	4.95
20	German_Lipsian ((Saxony))	5.16

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