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    Y-DNA haplogroup
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    Country: Uruguay



    My approximation of 4 populations does not even mention Italian samples ....

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 Swiss_Switzerland @ 18.248777
    2 Italian_Friul @ 18.839554
    3 Portuguese_Portugal @ 19.039169
    4 Italian_NorthIitaly @ 19.354324
    5 Provencal_Provence @ 19.447363
    6 Corsican_Corsica @ 19.757944
    7 Romanian_Apuseni @ 19.994978
    8 Austrian_Austria @ 20.013067
    9 Romanian_Gorj @ 20.087025
    10 Moldavian_Molodva @ 20.118835
    11 Romanian_Romania @ 20.195803
    12 Montenegrian_Montenegro @ 20.289392
    13 German_SouthGermany @ 20.701487
    14 Gagauz_Gagauzia @ 20.722092
    15 Jew_Belmonte @ 20.731701
    16 Serbian_Serbia @ 20.991171
    17 French_NorthwestFrance @ 21.011496
    18 Macedonian_Macedonia @ 21.103470
    19 French_EastFrance @ 21.233585
    20 Spanish_Spain @ 21.275873

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% Corsican_Corsica +50% Tlingit_NA @ 15.927819


    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% Corsican_Corsica +25% Quechua_NA +25% Slovenian_Slovenia @ 5.463468


    Using 4 populations approximation:
    1 Bolivian_Pando + Corsican_Corsica + Macedonian_Macedonia + Spanish_Spain @ 5.060591
    2 Bolivian_Pando + German_Germany + Sicilian_Sicily + Spanish_Spain @ 5.061371
    3 Bolivian_Pando + Kosovar_Kosovo + Macedonian_Macedonia + Spanish_Galicia @ 5.062280
    4 Jew_Ashkenazi + Bolivian_Pando + German_Germany + Spanish_Spain @ 5.066398
    5 Bolivian_Pando + Italian_NorthIitaly + Macedonian_Macedonia + Spanish_Spain @ 5.066741
    6 Bolivian_Pando + Corsican_Corsica + German_Germany + Italian_NorthIitaly @ 5.072773
    7 Bolivian_Pando + Bulgarian_Bulgaria + Corsican_Corsica + Spanish_Spain @ 5.075970
    8 Bolivian_Pando + German_SouthGermany + Sicilian_Sicily + Spanish_Spain @ 5.078611
    9 Bolivian_Pando + Corsican_Corsica + Macedonian_Macedonia + Portuguese_Portugal @ 5.080131
    10 Jew_Ashkenazim + Bolivian_Pando + German_Germany + Spanish_Spain @ 5.082533
    11 Jew_Belmonte + Bolivian_Pando + Serbian_Serbia + Spanish_Spain @ 5.090091
    12 Bolivian_Pando + Corsican_Corsica + Macedonian_Macedonia + Provencal_Provence @ 5.090974
    13 Bolivian_Pando + Greek_Macedonia + Spanish_Spain + Spanish_Spain @ 5.094909
    14 Bolivian_Pando + French_EastFrance + Sicilian_Sicily + Spanish_Spain @ 5.098780
    15 Bolivian_Pando + Italian_Abruzzo + Serbian_Serbia + Spanish_Galicia @ 5.100206
    16 Bolivian_Pando + Greek_Greece + Italian_Friul + Spanish_Galicia @ 5.100605
    17 Bolivian_Pando + Serbian_Bosnia-Herzegovina + Sicilian_Sicily + Spanish_Galicia @ 5.100700
    18 Jew_Belmonte + Bolivian_Pando + Macedonian_Macedonia + Spanish_Spain @ 5.101003
    19 Bolivian_Pando + Greek_Greece + Macedonian_Macedonia + Spanish_Galicia @ 5.101459
    20 Bolivian_Pando + German_Germany + Portuguese_Portugal + Sicilian_Sicily @ 5.104229

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    Y-DNA haplogroup
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    Country: Greece



    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 Caucasian 35.7
    2 Neolithic 26.77
    3 Steppe 17.34
    4 NorthEastEuropean 15.42
    5 NearEast 2.7
    6 Indian 0.9
    7 EastAfrican 0.49
    8 Australian 0.25
    9 Ancestor 0.24
    10 Oceanic 0.2

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Kosovar (Kosovo) 4.47
    2 Greek (Thessaloniki) 4.49
    3 Albanian (Albania) 4.82
    4 Greek (Greece) 4.83
    5 Bulgarian (Bulgaria) 5.64
    6 Gagauz (Gagauzia) 5.66
    7 Macedonian (Macedonia) 5.96
    8 Greek (Peloponnes) 5.97
    9 Bulgarian (Bulgaria) 6.61
    10 Greek (Macedonia) 6.85
    11 Romanian (Romania) 7.1
    12 Italian (Tuscany) 7.15
    13 Italian (Abruzzo) 7.57
    14 Romanian (Gorj) 7.6
    15 Italian (NorthIitaly) 8.11
    16 Montenegrian (Montenegro) 8.23
    17 Romanian (Apuseni) 8.81
    18 Greek (Athens) 8.83
    19 Italian (Friul) 9.05
    20 Serbian (Serbia) 9.18

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 63.7% French (France) + 36.3% Turk (Trabzon) @ 2.11
    2 72.6% Greek (Athens) + 27.4% Scottish (Argyll_bute) @ 2.47
    3 73.1% Greek (Athens) + 26.9% Orcadian (Orkney_Islands) @ 2.52
    4 66.5% Greek (Greece) + 33.5% English (Kent) @ 2.56
    5 68.3% Greek (Athens) + 31.7% Dutch (Netherlands) @ 2.56
    6 70.3% Greek (Athens) + 29.7% Shetlandic (Shetland_Islands) @ 2.6
    7 73.9% Greek (Athens) + 26.1% Norwegian (Norwegia) @ 2.62
    8 70.1% Greek (Athens) + 29.9% Irish (Connacht) @ 2.63
    9 74.4% Greek (Athens) + 25.6% Icelandic (Iceland) @ 2.66
    10 67.4% German (Germany) + 32.6% Turk (Trabzon) @ 2.67
    11 65.3% Greek (Greece) + 34.7% Irish (Connacht) @ 2.68
    12 68.1% Greek (Greece) + 31.9% Scottish (Argyll_bute) @ 2.75
    13 64.1% Greek (Greece) + 35.9% English (England) @ 2.78
    14 68.7% Greek (Greece) + 31.3% Orcadian (Orkney_Islands) @ 2.81
    15 65.5% Greek (Greece) + 34.5% Shetlandic (Shetland_Islands) @ 2.81
    16 60.1% Greek (Greece) + 39.9% German (Germany) @ 2.86
    17 67.1% Greek (Athens) + 32.9% German_Lipsian ((Saxony)) @ 2.87
    18 64% Greek (Greece) + 36% French (France) @ 2.94
    19 61.7% Macedonian (Macedonia) + 38.3% Greek (Athens) @ 2.97
    20 66.1% German (Germany) + 33.9% Armenian (Armenia) @ 2.97

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    They're not going to really "get" you if they don't have New World Hispanic samples. Similar things happen to everyone if the appropriate sample is missing. On Kurd's calculator for modern populations, he didn't have a Bergamo or a Tuscan sample, just Southern Italians and Sicilians, so I came out Albanian and Bulgarian, both wrong, of course. :)
    Hi, Angela.
    I agree with you. There should had specific samples to identify the Hispanic-descendant colonial populations and the Luso-descendant colonial populations in Latin America, as there are already samples for mixed populations, such as CEU, TSI, MEX, CHB, CHD, JPT, GIH, ASW, MKK, PUR, MEX, CLM, PEL and etc.
    But unfortunately, I think it's a hard job and no one would be interested in investing in it.
    Just to register, I am increasingly surprised by my MDLP results, such as MDLP 23b. Since this is a forum for discussion of autosomal analysis, I transcribe the my results obtained using the calculator previously mentioned, as mere curiosity :)

    MDLP K23b Oracle results

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 French ( ) 6.57
    2 Portugese ( ) 6.61
    3 English_Kent_GBR ( ) 8.62
    4 Spanish_Baleares_IBS ( ) 9.26
    5 Welsh ( ) 9.3
    6 English_Cornwall_GBR ( ) 9.33
    7 CEU ( ) 9.86
    8 Spaniard ( ) 9.91
    9 British ( ) 9.98
    10 North_European ( ) 10.1
    11 English ( ) 10.36
    12 Belgian ( ) 10.69
    13 Spanish_Extremadura_IBS ( ) 10.85
    14 Spanish_Galicia_IBS ( ) 11.3
    15 Irish ( ) 11.55
    16 Frisian ( ) 11.72
    17 Spanish_Cataluna_IBS ( ) 12.08
    18 Spanish_Murcia_IBS ( ) 12.15
    19 Spanish_Castilla_y_Leon_IBS ( ) 12.48
    20 Norwegian_West ( ) 12.55

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 63.4% Spanish_Murcia_IBS ( ) + 36.6% German_East ( ) @ 3.63
    2 66.4% Spanish_Extremadura_IBS ( ) + 33.6% German_East ( ) @ 3.86
    3 65.4% Spanish_Galicia_IBS ( ) + 34.6% German_East ( ) @ 3.87
    4 74% Spanish_Murcia_IBS ( ) + 26% Belarusian_West ( ) @ 3.88
    5 62.9% Spanish_Castilla_y_Leon_IBS ( ) + 37.1% German_East ( ) @ 3.89
    6 77% Spanish_Murcia_IBS ( ) + 23% Mixed_East_Slav ( ) @ 3.94
    7 77% Spanish_Murcia_IBS ( ) + 23% Belarusian_Russian ( ) @ 3.94
    8 71.4% Spanish_Baleares_IBS ( ) + 28.6% Puerto_Rican ( ) @ 3.94
    9 76.3% Spanish_Murcia_IBS ( ) + 23.7% Belarusian ( ) @ 3.98
    10 77.3% Spanish_Murcia_IBS ( ) + 22.7% Kuban_cossack ( ) @ 3.98
    11 74.4% Spanish_Murcia_IBS ( ) + 25.6% Belarusian-East ( ) @ 3.99
    12 71.7% Spanish_Murcia_IBS ( ) + 28.3% Sorb ( ) @ 3.99
    13 75.9% Spanish_Murcia_IBS ( ) + 24.1% Pole ( ) @ 3.99
    14 71% Spanish_Galicia_IBS ( ) + 29% Czech ( ) @ 4
    15 75.4% Spanish_Murcia_IBS ( ) + 24.6% Don_cossack ( ) @ 4
    16 75.3% Spanish_Murcia_IBS ( ) + 24.7% Ukrainian ( ) @ 4.02
    17 74.8% Spanish_Murcia_IBS ( ) + 25.2% Ukrainian_East ( ) @ 4.02
    18 70.8% Spanish_Murcia_IBS ( ) + 29.2% Kashub ( ) @ 4.02
    19 74.7% Spanish_Murcia_IBS ( ) + 25.3% Russian_South ( ) @ 4.03
    20 74.3% Spanish_Galicia_IBS ( ) + 25.7% Ukrainian_West ( ) @ 4.03

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    I'm not sure I understand how these results help us. They seem to fall into two categories, either, 'just what I thought, I'm Italian,' or, 'how did I get these strange results?'

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    MtDNA haplogroup
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    Ethnic group
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    Country: United States



    AncestryDNA
    MDLP K16




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    Ethnic group
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    My K23b is quite different from the K16.

    1 European_Hunters_Gatherers 33.96
    2 European_Early_Farmers 26.14
    3 Caucasian 24.61
    4 Ancestral_Altaic 5.37
    5 South_Central_Asian 4.66
    6 North_African 2.28
    7 Amerindian 2.24


    Finished reading population data. 620 populations found.
    23 components mode.

    --------------------------------

    Least-squares method.

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 German-Volga_ @ 3.286771
    2 Belgian_ @ 5.610803
    3 South_German_ @ 5.753277
    4 Frisian_ @ 5.976281
    5 Irish_ @ 6.355886
    6 English_ @ 6.412428
    7 Dutch_ @ 6.527591
    8 North_European_ @ 7.817348
    9 English_Kent_GBR_ @ 7.930810
    10 English_Cornwall_GBR_ @ 8.323669
    11 CEU_ @ 8.894352
    12 Welsh_ @ 9.192684
    13 British_ @ 9.396384
    14 Austrian_ @ 9.893750
    15 North_German_ @ 10.499816
    16 Norwegian_East_ @ 10.593204
    17 German_East_ @ 10.648588
    18 Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR_ @ 10.673024
    19 Dane_ @ 10.692140
    20 Italian_North_ @ 11.190860

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% German-Volga_ +50% German-Volga_ @ 3.286771


    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% British_ +25% Crimean_Tatar_Mountain_ +25% Swede_ @ 3.123703


    Using 4 populations approximation:
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    1 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain_ + French_ + Norwegian_East_ + Swede_ @ 3.005434
    2 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain_ + French_ + Swede_ + Swede_ @ 3.017581
    3 British_ + Crimean_Tatar_Mountain_ + English_Kent_GBR_ + Swede_ @ 3.023516
    4 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain_ + English_Kent_GBR_ + English_Kent_GBR_ + Swede_ @ 3.030586
    5 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain_ + French_ + Norwegian_West_ + Swede_ @ 3.047026
    6 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain_ + English_Kent_GBR_ + Norwegian_East_ + Norwegian_West_ @ 3.069735
    7 Belgian_ + British_ + Crimean_Tatar_Mountain_ + Swede_ @ 3.080001
    8 Belgian_ + British_ + Crimean_Tatar_Mountain_ + Norwegian_East_ @ 3.083467
    9 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain_ + English_Cornwall_GBR_ + English_Kent_GBR_ + Swede_ @ 3.098613
    10 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain_ + English_Cornwall_GBR_ + Norwegian_East_ + Norwegian_West_ @ 3.107395
    11 Belgian_ + Crimean_Tatar_Mountain_ + North_European_ + Norwegian_West_ @ 3.112965
    12 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain_ + English_Kent_GBR_ + North_European_ + Swede_ @ 3.115622
    13 CEU_ + Crimean_Tatar_Mountain_ + English_Kent_GBR_ + Swede_ @ 3.116611
    14 British_ + British_ + Crimean_Tatar_Mountain_ + Swede_ @ 3.123703
    15 Dutch_ + Frisian_ + German-Volga_ + Italian_North_ @ 3.124982
    16 Belgian_ + Crimean_Tatar_Mountain_ + English_Kent_GBR_ + Norwegian_West_ @ 3.126806
    17 Belgian_ + Belgian_ + Crimean_Tatar_Mountain_ + Norwegian_West_ @ 3.138542
    18 Belgian_ + Crimean_Tatar_Mountain_ + English_Kent_GBR_ + Norwegian_East_ @ 3.142218
    19 British_ + Crimean_Tatar_Mountain_ + English_Cornwall_GBR_ + Swede_ @ 3.143567
    20 Belgian_ + British_ + Crimean_Tatar_Mountain_ + Norwegian_West_ @ 3.145225

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    Quote Originally Posted by [email protected] View Post
    I'm not sure I understand how these results help us. They seem to fall into two categories, either, 'just what I thought, I'm Italian,' or, 'how did I get these strange results?'
    The only people who get really terrible results are mixed ancestry New Worlders from what I can see, and that's because most of the calculators don't have reference samples from Hispanic or Portugese New World people for comparison.

    It goes to show that a calculator is only as good as its reference samples. The more references the better, as Dienekes pointed out years ago.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    AncestryDNA
    MDLP K16



    These are mine, with AncestryDNA

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 Greek_Athens @ 3.429379
    2 Greek_Greece @ 5.325766
    3 Greek_Macedonia @ 5.722637
    4 Greek_Thessaloniki @ 5.790633
    5 Albanian_Albania @ 5.876509
    6 Italian_SouthItaly @ 6.506743
    7 Greek_Greece @ 6.527246
    8 Greek_Peloponnes @ 6.824958
    9 Sicilian_Sicily @ 7.008677
    10 Italian_Abruzzo @ 7.530048

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% Greek_Thessaloniki +50% Greek_Greece @ 2.555300

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    ^^I take it back. This is terrible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    ^^I take it back. This is terrible.
    Agreed, the calculator is certainly off imo

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jovialis View Post
    These are mine, with AncestryDNA

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 Greek_Athens @ 3.429379
    2 Greek_Greece @ 5.325766
    3 Greek_Macedonia @ 5.722637
    4 Greek_Thessaloniki @ 5.790633
    5 Albanian_Albania @ 5.876509
    6 Italian_SouthItaly @ 6.506743
    7 Greek_Greece @ 6.527246
    8 Greek_Peloponnes @ 6.824958
    9 Sicilian_Sicily @ 7.008677
    10 Italian_Abruzzo @ 7.530048

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% Greek_Thessaloniki +50% Greek_Greece @ 2.555300

    4-Ancestors Oracle (the other one had two and I get slightly different results) :)

    Least-squares method.

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 Italian_SouthItaly @ 3.659487
    2 Sicilian_Sicily @ 4.092412
    3 Jew_Ashkenazi @ 4.171546
    4 Italian_Abruzzo @ 4.274676
    5 Greek_Macedonia @ 4.641135
    6 Jew_Ashkenazim @ 4.696649
    7 Greek_Athens @ 4.755819
    8 Greek_Peloponnes @ 5.198928
    9 Greek_Greece @ 5.385574
    10 Maltese_Malta @ 5.480094


    Using 4 populations approximation:

    1 Greek_Macedonia + Greek_Greece + Italian_Abruzzo + Maltese_Malta @ 2.107037

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    2X Oracle
    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Italian (SouthItaly) 3.46
    2 Italian (Abruzzo) 3.76
    3 Sicilian (Sicily) 3.8
    4 Jew (Ashkenazi) 3.98
    5 Greek (Macedonia) 4.31
    6 Greek (Athens) 4.31
    7 Jew (Ashkenazim) 4.38
    8 Greek (Peloponnes) 4.64
    9 Greek (Greece) 4.82
    10 Maltese (Malta) 4.99

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 62.2% Italian (Abruzzo) + 37.8% Greek (Greece) @ 2.07

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    I'll have to take it back as well. It's not that good, given some results posted here. I was probably induced by another MDLP calculator, with a good Oracle. I guess it doesn't exist anymore. Don't know why. If my memory serves, it gave me distance 2, or almost that, to Friuli, and also other users related accuracy that time.
    As I said previously, good and consistent Oracles are references of really good calculators. Rigorously, it doesn's seem to be the case with this K16. Looking again, my results with FTDNA and 23andMe data in fact could not differ so much to each other, and they do.

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    My results with 23andme and Ftdna also differ quite a bit (to say the least) in the mixed modes.

    23andme:
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    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Italian (Bergamo) 4.66
    2 Corsican (Corsica) 5.65
    3 Provencal (Provence) 5.96
    4 Italian (North Italy) 6.15
    5 Italian (Tuscany) 6.43
    6 Italian (Friul) 6.63

    Mixed mode:


    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 62.4% Greek (Macedonia) + 37.6% Spanish (Pais_Vasco) @ 2.08
    2 61.2% Greek (Macedonia) + 38.8% French (SouthFrance) @ 2.28
    3 70.1% Greek (Greece) + 29.9% Spanish (Pais_Vasco) @ 2.31
    4 79.8% Kosovar (Kosovo) + 20.2% Basque (France) @ 2.31
    5 69% Greek (Greece) + 31% French (SouthFrance) @ 2.35
    6 65.6% Italian (Tuscany) + 34.4% French (France) @ 2.4

    Ftdna:


    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Provencal (Provence) 5.53
    2 Italian (Bergamo) 5.92
    3 Italian (Friul) 6
    4 Swiss (Switzerland) 6.47

    Mixed mode:
    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 70.6% Italian (Tuscany) + 29.4% Scottish (Argyll_bute) @ 2.16
    2 71.1% Italian (Tuscany) + 28.9% Orcadian (Orkney_Islands) @ 2.23
    3 72.9% French (France) + 27.1% Cypriot (Cyprus) @ 2.33
    4 51.5% French (France) + 48.5% Italian (Abruzzo) @ 2.37
    5 66.5% Italian (Tuscany) + 33.5% Irish (Connacht) @ 2.43
    6 73.4% Italian (Tuscany) + 26.6% Icelandic (Iceland) @ 2.5

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    I can't complain about the Single population sharing mode. I have some doubts about the Mixed mode, since it's mostly limited to composing mathematical averages between Southern Balkan and Franco-Iberian samples, although some combinations may already make more sense (Italian Bergamo + Greek Macedonia, Italian Tuscany + Macedonian / Bulgarian...)

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 Caucasian 32.07
    2 Neolithic 29.75
    3 Steppe 18.1
    4 NorthEastEuropean 14.11
    5 NearEast 5.13
    6 NorthAfrican 0.85

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Italian (Tuscany) 4.56
    2 Kosovar (Kosovo) 5.15
    3 Italian (NorthIitaly) 5.81
    4 Greek (Greece) 6.09
    5 Greek (Thessaloniki) 6.53
    6 Albanian (Albania) 6.56
    7 Macedonian (Macedonia) 6.99
    8 Corsican (Corsica) 7.12
    9 Gagauz (Gagauzia) 7.22
    10 Italian (Abruzzo) 7.34
    11 Bulgarian (Bulgaria) 7.39
    12 Greek (Peloponnes) 7.42
    13 Romanian (Gorj) 7.79
    14 Italian (Bergamo) 7.88
    15 Italian (Friul) 7.95
    16 Romanian (Romania) 8.32
    17 Montenegrian (Montenegro) 8.48
    18 Bulgarian (Bulgaria) 9.09
    19 Romanian (Apuseni) 9.12
    20 Swiss (Switzerland) 9.25

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 74.7% Greek (Macedonia) + 25.3% French (SouthFrance) @ 2.58
    2 75.6% Greek (Macedonia) + 24.4% Spanish (Pais_Vasco) @ 2.61
    3 86.8% Greek (Greece) + 13.2% Basque (France) @ 3.01
    4 84.8% Greek (Greece) + 15.2% Spanish (Pais_Vasco) @ 3.22
    5 60.4% Greek (Athens) + 39.6% French (France) @ 3.29
    6 60.1% French (France) + 39.9% Cypriot (Cyprus) @ 3.36
    7 78.6% Greek (Greece) + 21.4% Spanish (Castilla_la_Mancha) @ 3.39
    8 71.4% Italian (Abruzzo) + 28.6% French (France) @ 3.52
    9 80.3% Greek (Greece) + 19.7% Spanish (Aragon) @ 3.54
    10 55.1% Greek (Greece) + 44.9% French (France) @ 3.62
    11 68.8% Italian (Tuscany) + 31.2% Macedonian (Macedonia) @ 3.67
    12 70.5% Italian (Tuscany) + 29.5% Bulgarian (Bulgaria) @ 3.68
    13 71.9% Spanish (Spain) + 28.1% Armenian (Armenia) @ 3.71
    14 56.3% Italian (Bergamo) + 43.7% Greek (Macedonia) @ 3.76
    15 68.9% Italian (Abruzzo) + 31.1% German (Germany) @ 3.77
    16 75.1% Italian (Abruzzo) + 24.9% English (Kent) @ 3.78
    17 77% Greek (Greece) + 23% French (France) @ 3.79
    18 64.6% Greek (Athens) + 35.4% English (Kent) @ 3.8
    19 86.7% Albanian (Albania) + 13.3% Basque (France) @ 3.8
    20 62.8% Italian (SouthItaly) + 37.2% French (France) @ 3.87

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stuvanè View Post
    I can't complain about the Single population sharing mode. I have some doubts about the Mixed mode, since it's mostly limited to composing mathematical averages between Southern Balkan and Franco-Iberian samples, although some combinations may already make more sense (Italian Bergamo + Greek Macedonia, Italian Tuscany + Macedonian / Bulgarian...)

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 Caucasian 32.07
    2 Neolithic 29.75
    3 Steppe 18.1
    4 NorthEastEuropean 14.11
    5 NearEast 5.13
    6 NorthAfrican 0.85

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Italian (Tuscany) 4.56
    2 Kosovar (Kosovo) 5.15
    3 Italian (NorthIitaly) 5.81
    4 Greek (Greece) 6.09
    5 Greek (Thessaloniki) 6.53
    6 Albanian (Albania) 6.56
    7 Macedonian (Macedonia) 6.99
    8 Corsican (Corsica) 7.12
    9 Gagauz (Gagauzia) 7.22
    10 Italian (Abruzzo) 7.34
    11 Bulgarian (Bulgaria) 7.39
    12 Greek (Peloponnes) 7.42
    13 Romanian (Gorj) 7.79
    14 Italian (Bergamo) 7.88
    15 Italian (Friul) 7.95
    16 Romanian (Romania) 8.32
    17 Montenegrian (Montenegro) 8.48
    18 Bulgarian (Bulgaria) 9.09
    19 Romanian (Apuseni) 9.12
    20 Swiss (Switzerland) 9.25

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 74.7% Greek (Macedonia) + 25.3% French (SouthFrance) @ 2.58
    2 75.6% Greek (Macedonia) + 24.4% Spanish (Pais_Vasco) @ 2.61
    3 86.8% Greek (Greece) + 13.2% Basque (France) @ 3.01
    4 84.8% Greek (Greece) + 15.2% Spanish (Pais_Vasco) @ 3.22
    5 60.4% Greek (Athens) + 39.6% French (France) @ 3.29
    6 60.1% French (France) + 39.9% Cypriot (Cyprus) @ 3.36
    7 78.6% Greek (Greece) + 21.4% Spanish (Castilla_la_Mancha) @ 3.39
    8 71.4% Italian (Abruzzo) + 28.6% French (France) @ 3.52
    9 80.3% Greek (Greece) + 19.7% Spanish (Aragon) @ 3.54
    10 55.1% Greek (Greece) + 44.9% French (France) @ 3.62
    11 68.8% Italian (Tuscany) + 31.2% Macedonian (Macedonia) @ 3.67
    12 70.5% Italian (Tuscany) + 29.5% Bulgarian (Bulgaria) @ 3.68
    13 71.9% Spanish (Spain) + 28.1% Armenian (Armenia) @ 3.71
    14 56.3% Italian (Bergamo) + 43.7% Greek (Macedonia) @ 3.76
    15 68.9% Italian (Abruzzo) + 31.1% German (Germany) @ 3.77
    16 75.1% Italian (Abruzzo) + 24.9% English (Kent) @ 3.78
    17 77% Greek (Greece) + 23% French (France) @ 3.79
    18 64.6% Greek (Athens) + 35.4% English (Kent) @ 3.8
    19 86.7% Albanian (Albania) + 13.3% Basque (France) @ 3.8
    20 62.8% Italian (SouthItaly) + 37.2% French (France) @ 3.87
    Not that off, but notice how it variates according to the Raw Data used. Assuming you're using 23andMe data, you'd probably get different results with, say, FTDNA. Imo, it couldn't be so. It affects Oracle and the comparisons we usually do here, one of the purposes of this kind of tool. They should "equacionate" better the SNPs.

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    Well, my results have seemed quite coherent I did not find it so terrible with what I had already seen.

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    I saw MDLP K18 Ancient on Admixture studio

    Here's my Superkit results for it:

    Least-squares method.


    Using 1 populations approximation
    1 100% Italian_Abruzzo @ 6.680
    2 100% Sicilian @ 6.716
    3 100% Central-Greek @ 8.829
    4 100% North_Greek @ 10.703
    5 100% Toscani @ 11.187
    6 100% Italian_Piedmont @ 11.725
    7 100% Greek @ 11.810
    8 100% South_Greek @ 12.767
    9 100% Romanian_Jews @ 13.278
    10 100% Kosovar @ 13.679
    New populations: 121


    Using 2 populations approximation
    1 50% Central-Greek + 50% Italian_Abruzzo @ 4.049
    2 50% Italian_Abruzzo + 50% North_Greek @ 4.179
    3 50% Central-Greek + 50% Sicilian @ 4.576
    4 50% Cretan + 50% Italian_Piedmont @ 4.577
    5 50% Cretan + 50% Toscani @ 4.664
    6 50% Cretan + 50% North_Italian @ 4.753
    7 50% Greek-Islands + 50% Italian_Piedmont @ 4.760
    8 50% Cypriots + 50% Occitan @ 4.824
    9 50% Occitan + 50% Syrian_Jew @ 4.891
    10 50% North_Greek + 50% Toscani @ 4.959

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joey37 View Post
    # Population Percent
    1 Neolithic 28.15
    2 NorthEastEuropean 25.40
    3 Steppe 21.10
    4 Caucasian 20.18
    5 Amerindian 2.25
    6 NorthAfrican 1.86
    7 Siberian 1.07


    Finished reading population data. 517 populations found.
    16 components mode.

    --------------------------------

    Least-squares method.

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 Welsh_Wales @ 3.295229
    2 Scottish_Dumfries_Galloway @ 3.414294
    3 Scottish_Fife @ 3.945561
    4 Dutch_Netherlands @ 3.965367
    5 German_Lipsian_(Saxony) @ 4.050984
    6 French_WestFrance @ 4.170170
    7 Scottish_Borders @ 4.396549
    8 Scottish_Grampian @ 4.418582
    9 German_Germany @ 4.497581
    10 Irish_Munster @ 4.666203
    11 Scottish_Highlands @ 4.726833
    12 French_NorthwestFrance @ 4.791421
    13 German_Germany @ 4.823503
    14 Irish_Connacht @ 4.864048
    15 French_EastFrance @ 4.918284
    16 English_England @ 4.990521
    17 Shetlandic_Shetland_Islands @ 5.022940
    18 Hungarian_WestUkraine @ 5.037846
    19 Irish_Leinster @ 5.268827
    20 German_SouthGermany @ 5.373654

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% Croat_Croatia +50% English_Kent @ 2.569358


    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% English_Kent +25% German_Lipsian_(Saxony) +25% Romanian_Apuseni @ 2.240857


    Using 4 populations approximation:
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++
    1 Italian_Tuscany + Orcadian_Orkney_Islands + Swede_Sweden + Swede_Sweden @ 2.015382
    2 English_Kent + German_Germany + Romanian_Apuseni + Swede_Sweden @ 2.054749
    3 Italian_Tuscany + Scottish_Argyll_bute + Swede_Sweden + Swede_Sweden @ 2.067078
    4 French_France + Irish_Connacht + Romanian_Apuseni + Swede_Sweden @ 2.087570
    5 French_France + Romanian_Apuseni + Scottish_Dumfries_Galloway + Swede_Sweden @ 2.090734
    6 German_Germany + Orcadian_Orkney_Islands + Romanian_Apuseni + Swede_Sweden @ 2.098750
    7 German_Germany + Irish_Connacht + Norwegian_Norwegia + Romanian_Apuseni @ 2.108438
    8 English_Kent + Italian_Tuscany + Swede_Sweden + Swede_Sweden @ 2.121937
    9 German_Lipsian_(Saxony) + Italian_Bergamo + Scottish_Argyll_bute + Swede_Sweden @ 2.123138
    10 Irish_Connacht + Italian_Tuscany + Swede_Sweden + Swede_Sweden @ 2.123908
    11 Italian_Bergamo + Scottish_Dumfries_Galloway + Swede_Sweden + Swede_Sweden @ 2.125066
    12 German_Germany + Irish_Connacht + Romanian_Apuseni + Swede_Sweden @ 2.127566
    13 Italian_Bergamo + Pole_EastPoland + Scottish_Argyll_bute + Swede_Sweden @ 2.129606
    14 German_Germany + Romanian_Apuseni + Scottish_Argyll_bute + Swede_Sweden @ 2.137368
    15 English_Cornwall + German_Germany + Romanian_Apuseni + Swede_Sweden @ 2.144562
    16 English_Kent + German_Germany + Moldavian_Molodva + Swede_Sweden @ 2.145946
    17 French_France + Irish_Munster + Romanian_Apuseni + Swede_Sweden @ 2.147415
    18 German_Germany + Icelandic_Iceland + Irish_Connacht + Romanian_Apuseni @ 2.158653
    19 Irish_Connacht + Italian_Bergamo + Swede_Sweden + Swede_Sweden @ 2.164485
    20 Italian_Bergamo + Orcadian_Orkney_Islands + Pole_EastPoland + Swede_Sweden @ 2.165134

    I love how Swede keeps popping up in the Oracle 4...the Celt-heavy first group makes more sense from a phenotypic standpoint.
    That was from the 23andMe test. Here is the results from my Ancestry test.
    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 Neolithic 31.52
    2 NorthEastEuropean 25.77
    3 Steppe 21.46
    4 Caucasian 18.68
    5 Indian 1.05


    Finished reading population data. 517 populations found.
    16 components mode.

    --------------------------------

    Least-squares method.

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 French_WestFrance @ 2.710964
    2 German_Germany @ 3.483866
    3 French_France @ 3.767042
    4 Scottish_Dumfries_Galloway @ 3.892100
    5 Scottish_Borders @ 3.901986
    6 English_Kent @ 3.957362
    7 Scottish_Grampian @ 4.042623
    8 Scottish_Fife @ 4.071022
    9 Scottish_Highlands @ 4.149086
    10 Irish_Connacht @ 4.245351
    11 English_England @ 4.421017
    12 Shetlandic_Shetland_Islands @ 4.476189
    13 Irish_Leinster @ 4.547528
    14 Welsh_Wales @ 4.744401
    15 Irish_Ulster @ 4.768784
    16 English_Cornwall @ 4.958539
    17 French_NorthwestFrance @ 4.965662
    18 Irish_Munster @ 5.067589
    19 Irish_Cork_Kerry @ 5.074487
    20 French_EastFrance @ 5.233568

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% English_Kent +50% German_Germany @ 1.128322


    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% English_Kent +25% German_Germany +25% German_Germany @ 1.128322


    Using 4 populations approximation:
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    1 English_Kent + English_Kent + German_Germany + German_Germany @ 1.128322
    2 French_France + German_Germany + German_Germany + Norwegian_Norwegia @ 1.236735
    3 French_France + German_Germany + German_Germany + Icelandic_Iceland @ 1.283213
    4 English_Kent + French_WestFrance + German_Germany + German_Germany @ 1.299428
    5 English_Kent + German_Germany + German_Germany + Irish_Ulster @ 1.308297
    6 French_France + German_Germany + German_Germany + Orcadian_Orkney_Islands @ 1.370160
    7 English_Kent + German_Germany + German_Germany + Shetlandic_Shetland_Islands @ 1.376717
    8 English_Kent + German_Germany + German_Germany + Scottish_Highlands @ 1.379629
    9 English_Kent + German_Germany + German_Germany + Irish_Connacht @ 1.397842
    10 English_Cornwall + English_Kent + German_Germany + German_Germany @ 1.399745
    11 French_SouthFrance + German_Germany + Pole_EastPoland + Pole_EastPoland @ 1.416189
    12 English_Kent + German_Germany + German_Germany + Scottish_Borders @ 1.425635
    13 French_France + French_France + German_Germany + Swede_Sweden @ 1.456944
    14 Dutch_Netherlands + English_Kent + French_France + German_Germany @ 1.504103
    15 French_SouthFrance + German_Germany + Pole_Wroclaw + Pole_EastPoland @ 1.521762
    16 English_Kent + German_Germany + German_Germany + Irish_Cork_Kerry @ 1.546782
    17 English_Kent + French_France + German_Lipsian_(Saxony) + German_Germany @ 1.552988
    18 English_Kent + German_Germany + German_Germany + Irish_Leinster @ 1.559912
    19 English_Kent + German_Germany + German_Germany + Scottish_Grampian @ 1.561512
    20 English_Kent + English_Kent + French_NorthwestFrance + German_Germany @ 1.573935

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jovialis View Post
    These are mine, with AncestryDNA

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 Greek_Athens @ 3.429379
    2 Greek_Greece @ 5.325766
    3 Greek_Macedonia @ 5.722637
    4 Greek_Thessaloniki @ 5.790633
    5 Albanian_Albania @ 5.876509
    6 Italian_SouthItaly @ 6.506743
    7 Greek_Greece @ 6.527246
    8 Greek_Peloponnes @ 6.824958
    9 Sicilian_Sicily @ 7.008677
    10 Italian_Abruzzo @ 7.530048

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% Greek_Thessaloniki +50% Greek_Greece @ 2.555300
    @Jovialis, you're one of us after all ;).

    Here is mine with LivingDNA:
    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 Caucasian 37.03
    2 Neolithic 28.58
    3 Steppe 16.4
    4 NorthEastEuropean 15.03
    5 NearEast 1.8
    6 Ancestor 0.56
    7 Oceanic 0.42
    8 SouthEastAsian 0.18

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Greek (Thessaloniki) 4.06
    2 Albanian (Albania) 4.5
    3 Kosovar (Kosovo) 4.66
    4 Greek (Greece) 5.23
    5 Greek (Peloponnes) 6.56
    6 Italian (Tuscany) 6.57
    7 Bulgarian (Bulgaria) 7.11
    8 Gagauz (Gagauzia) 7.16
    9 Macedonian (Macedonia) 7.33
    10 Greek (Macedonia) 7.49
    11 Bulgarian (Bulgaria) 7.61
    12 Italian (Abruzzo) 7.95
    13 Greek (Athens) 8.19
    14 Italian (NorthIitaly) 8.43
    15 Romanian (Romania) 8.75
    16 Romanian (Gorj) 9.06
    17 Montenegrian (Montenegro) 9.45
    18 Italian (SouthItaly) 9.62
    19 Sicilian (Sicily) 9.7
    20 Italian (Friul) 9.9

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 68.7% Greek (Athens) + 31.3% German (Germany) @ 3.22
    2 75.7% Italian (Bergamo) + 24.3% Georgian (Megrelia) @ 3.41
    3 74.7% Greek (Athens) + 25.3% English (Kent) @ 3.46
    4 62.5% French (France) + 37.5% Turk (Trabzon) @ 3.47
    5 62.6% Greek (Greece) + 37.4% German (Germany) @ 3.5
    6 74.8% Italian (Bergamo) + 25.2% Adygei (Adygea) @ 3.53
    7 66.3% Greek (Greece) + 33.7% French (France) @ 3.59
    8 73.9% Greek (Athens) + 26.1% Irish (Connacht) @ 3.6
    9 74.1% Greek (Athens) + 25.9% Shetlandic (Shetland_Islands) @ 3.62
    10 75% Greek (Athens) + 25% English (Cornwall) @ 3.63
    11 72.5% Greek (Athens) + 27.5% Dutch (Netherlands) @ 3.66
    12 72.9% Greek (Athens) + 27.1% Scottish (Dumfries_Galloway) @ 3.68
    13 76.8% Greek (Athens) + 23.2% Orcadian (Orkney_Islands) @ 3.71
    14 92.8% Kosovar (Kosovo) + 7.2% Georgian (Tbilisi) @ 3.71
    15 73.2% Greek (Athens) + 26.8% English (England) @ 3.74
    16 76.5% Greek (Athens) + 23.5% Scottish (Argyll_bute) @ 3.74
    17 66.2% German (Germany) + 33.8% Turk (Trabzon) @ 3.76
    18 77.5% Greek (Athens) + 22.5% Norwegian (Norwegia) @ 3.76
    19 76.1% Italian (Bergamo) + 23.9% Abhkasian (Abkhasia) @ 3.76
    20 94.4% Greek (Thessaloniki) + 5.6% Scottish (Argyll_bute) @ 3.81

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    I did it with DNAkit studio. It is by the same website that hosts the Admixture studio calculator, that hosts MLDP K18 Ancient. I see they have more stuff than GEDmatch, and newer versions of many calculators.

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    Points: 7,733, Level: 26
    Level completed: 31%, Points required for next Level: 417
    Overall activity: 54.0%

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    Country: Brazil



    Quote Originally Posted by Jovialis View Post
    I saw MDLP K18 Ancient on Admixture studio

    Here's my Superkit results for it:

    Least-squares method.


    Using 1 populations approximation
    1 100% Italian_Abruzzo @ 6.680
    2 100% Sicilian @ 6.716
    3 100% Central-Greek @ 8.829
    4 100% North_Greek @ 10.703
    5 100% Toscani @ 11.187
    6 100% Italian_Piedmont @ 11.725
    7 100% Greek @ 11.810
    8 100% South_Greek @ 12.767
    9 100% Romanian_Jews @ 13.278
    10 100% Kosovar @ 13.679
    New populations: 121


    Using 2 populations approximation
    1 50% Central-Greek + 50% Italian_Abruzzo @ 4.049
    2 50% Italian_Abruzzo + 50% North_Greek @ 4.179
    3 50% Central-Greek + 50% Sicilian @ 4.576
    4 50% Cretan + 50% Italian_Piedmont @ 4.577
    5 50% Cretan + 50% Toscani @ 4.664
    6 50% Cretan + 50% North_Italian @ 4.753
    7 50% Greek-Islands + 50% Italian_Piedmont @ 4.760
    8 50% Cypriots + 50% Occitan @ 4.824
    9 50% Occitan + 50% Syrian_Jew @ 4.891
    10 50% North_Greek + 50% Toscani @ 4.959
    Hi Jovialis,
    Your results are great with this calculator.
    As I am very mixed, my results are weird, and the shortest distances are reached with 4 populations approximation.
    Big Hug.



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    1 out of 1 members found this post helpful.
    @Bigsnake:

    There's lots of overlap in the region:




    @Duarte

    Yes, I think so as well. Between Abruzzo and Central Greece, genetically, seems about right to me. That's roughly it's geographical location as well.

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