J2 in Italy

[Angela]

If you want, please open a new thread named "Do Malisor clans originate in Bosnian Hercegovina" or similar and write there all this you written here, also you are free to quote me there if you think something i said is not correct, and we can debate it there. It is very easy to prove that they dont originate in Bosnia, and much of this that you written above does not make sense at all, but i dont want to continue this conversation in thread that is dedicated to J2 Italians. It makes no sense to argue about it here.

I appreciate your courtesy, Dema.

In fact, any further off-topic posts will be removed.

[dominique_nuit]

I have known for a couple years now that I am G2a-CTS342, but learned yesterday that the other half of my Italian ancestry is J2a-M92. From reading this thread, M92 appears to have a fairly high incidence among J2 lineages in Southern Italy.

Can anybody here summarize what is known about the phylogeography and historical spread of J2a-M92? Did it likely arrive in Italy during Neolithic times or with Magna Graecia colonization? Or is it simply too soon to say?

I read through this recent article published in Nature, but found the comments about M92 rather cryptic = https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-018-25912-9

[Angela]

I have known for a couple years now that I am G2a-CTS342, but learned yesterday that the other half of my Italian ancestry is J2a-M92. From reading this thread, M92 appears to have a fairly high incidence among J2 lineages in Southern Italy.

Can anybody here summarize what is known about the phylogeography and historical spread of J2a-M92? Did it likely arrive in Italy during Neolithic times or with Magna Graecia colonization? Or is it simply too soon to say?

I read through this recent article published in Nature, but found the comments about M92 rather cryptic = https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-018-25912-9

Dominique,

Given the recent release of some hints about ancient Italian dna indicating a presence of Iranian/CHG "type" ancestry in the Italian Neolithic, the Greek migrations etc., I'm personally taking a wait and see attitude about how the various strands of J2 might have reached Italy.

It won't be long now until we get the papers, which should be very interesting.

[Juan.delajara]

While we wait for the papers regarding italian Ancient DNA, where J2 is probably involved. I suggest to read an interesting analysis made by professor Musti, regarding Magna Graecia and italic people


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[dominique_nuit]

Interesting analysis made by professor Musti, regarding Magna Graecia and italic people


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Could you please summarize Musti's arguments

[Juan.delajara]

Could you please summarize Musti's arguments

My pleasure. Musti was an italian historian specialized on Magna Graecia. This book analyses the view of ancient greek, regarding the relationship between them and italics, and their colonies in southern Italy and Sicily. It’s quite interesting because Musti, summerizes , followig the geographic work of Strabo, all the Greek authors statements regarding italic people and western Greeks, from ancient times until the beginning of the roman Empire. Gathering all the information they had on that time.
As soon as we will see the new papers regarding ancient italian genetics, we will realize how much of the Greek tradition suits with the scientific information we have today.