Genetics of the Greek Peleponessus

Pr0_ · Sep 7, 2021

Archetype0ne said:
As far as I know Vlachs are also known as Aromanians. From the very word, not Romanians. Meaning that they were some of the Balkan populations that did not get Romanized/Latinized like the Romanians. But they could have been of similar stock, not sure about that. Would be cool if Vlachs or Romanians in this forum would chime in.

Edit: Read some more on the net. Seems I have to read a lot more on the topic. Vlachs are truly fascinating. Fara Armãneascã ("Aromanian tribe"), interesting how many features Aromanian, Romanian and Albanian share. Fara in Albanian means seed. Meaning based on the nature of the world it has to date to the first farmers, and it being shared among various paleo Balkan people, has got to mean something about some proto common language/sprachbund from at least the neolithic/ farming related peoples.

Alas, ignore my initial post, seems that Aromanians were also romanized/latinized? at least from the wiki, so makes the whole nomenclature of a-romanian even more confusing.

All the Vlach groups are considered to share a common origin and to have split between 900 AD and 14th century. This includes Romanian, Aromanian, Istro-Romanian, Megleno-Romanian etc.

Archetype0ne · Sep 7, 2021

ihype02 said:
Target: Greek_Peloponnese
Distance: 1.9474% / 0.01947414
76.0 Sicilian_East
19.0 Ukrainian
5.0 Armenian_Hemsheni

Without Armenian:

Target: Greek_Peloponnese
Distance: 2.0028% / 0.02002754
82.2 Sicilian_East
17.8 Ukrainian

Maniotes:

Target: Greek_Laconia
Distance: 2.6869% / 0.02686919
88.2 Sicilian_East
11.8 Ukrainian

Could you use the same model for Albanian? Do we have various Albanian source pops by region? Would love to see how a Mirditore would fit into this model.

Archetype0ne · Sep 7, 2021

Pr0_ said:
All the Vlach groups are considered to share a common origin and to have split between 900 AD and 14th century. This includes Romanian, Aromanian, Istro-Romanian, Megleno-Romanian etc.

Yes, I saw that, and find the dating a bit hard to believe. But given how mobile Vlachs used to be who knows.

Pr0_ · Sep 7, 2021

Dianatomia said:
I understand, but I am just using their methodology. Migrations are complicated. These Northern Greeks could have been outliers, but then again so could the IA people in the Danube.
Some things don't add up to me. Supposedly Albanians are half Slavic. Then why do they plot away from Slavs? Even from Bulgarians and Macedonian Slavs.
And then there is the thing with E-V13. It is quite remarkable that Thessalians, among Greeks, have most of it. While the Vlachs have the least (aside from Cretans).
So from where and when did this E-V13 arrive in Thessaly? And why were these Northern Greeks so different from the ones further South? Is there a connection?

this is what I get with one calculator made by a Greek member from another forum

Distance to:	pr0_(albanian)
6.68531226	Ancient_Northern_Greek:Greece_MBA_Log02
7.07243947	Ancient_Northern_Greek:Greece_MBA_Log04
26.90136614	Celtic:France_IA_ATT26
28.23606913	Slavic:I4137_Czech_Early_Slav_dup.I4137.SG_1235_ybp
32.47881155	Germanic:E09613_Germany_Bell_Beaker_Augsburg_4165_ybp
32.84719014	Ottoman:MA2196_Anatolia_Ottoman2.SG_3800_ybp
44.45530002	Hamitic:JK2134_Egypt_New_Kingdom_3250_ybp
47.07688286	West_Asian:F38_Iran_IA.SG_2852_ybp
48.88141978	Judaean:I0644_Israel_C_5950_ybp
78.65832378	Mongolian:XiongNu_1960_R_L645_N9a2_4_5_11_
92.23550347	East_African:I5950_Ethiopia_4500BP.SG_4472_ybp

Target: pr0_(albanian) Distance: 1.7397% / 1.73971157
71.8	Ancient_Northern_Greek

22.0	Slavic

4.3	Judaean

1.9	West_Asian

Archetype0ne · Sep 7, 2021

Pr0_ said:
this is what I get with one calculator made by a Greek member from another forum

Distance to: pr0_(albanian)
6.68531226 Ancient_Northern_Greek:Greece_MBA_Log02
7.07243947 Ancient_Northern_Greek:Greece_MBA_Log04
26.90136614 Celtic:France_IA_ATT26
28.23606913 Slavic:I4137_Czech_Early_Slav_dup.I4137.SG_1235_ybp
32.47881155 Germanic:E09613_Germany_Bell_Beaker_Augsburg_4165_ybp
32.84719014 Ottoman:MA2196_Anatolia_Ottoman2.SG_3800_ybp
44.45530002 Hamitic:JK2134_Egypt_New_Kingdom_3250_ybp
47.07688286 West_Asian:F38_Iran_IA.SG_2852_ybp
48.88141978 Judaean:I0644_Israel_C_5950_ybp
78.65832378 Mongolian:XiongNu_1960_R_L645_N9a2_4_5_11_
92.23550347 East_African:I5950_Ethiopia_4500BP.SG_4472_ybp

Target: pr0_(albanian)
Distance: 1.7397% / 1.73971157

71.8 Ancient_Northern_Greek
22.0 Slavic
4.3 Judaean
1.9 West_Asian

Target: pr0_(albanian)
Distance: 1.7397% / 1.73971157

71.8 Ancient_Northern_Greek
22.0 Slavic
4.3 Judaean
1.9 West_Asian

Can you share the calc? Wanna compare myself.

Pr0_ · Sep 7, 2021

Archetype0ne said:
Can you share the calc? Wanna compare myself.

yes take this code

Ancient_Northern_Greek:Greece_MBA_Log02,25.42,12.2 5,24.46,9.54,23.63,2.29,0,0,0,1,1.21,0,0.18
Ancient_Northern_Greek:Greece_MBA_Log04,27.02,17.2 3,18.01,13.6,18.4,1.55,0.08,0.5,0.83,2.35,0.3,0,0. 13
Judaean:I0644_Israel_C_5950_ybp,0.00,0.00,24.49,0. 00,51.94,22.96,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.61,0.00
West_Asian:F38_Iran_IA.SG_2852_ybp,1.28,2.23,9.24, 43.58,26.69,8.18,8.09,0.08,0.00,0.51,0.05,0.00,0.0 6
Ottoman:MA2196_Anatolia_Ottoman2.SG_3800_ybp,8.29, 8.42,6.85,24.15,18.96,3.02,5.13,6.17,15.07,1.54,0. 00,2.39,0.00
Slavic:I4137_Czech_Early_Slav_dup.I4137.SG_1235_yb p,30.89,37.94,12.04,8.95,5.72,0.86,0.00,0.00,2.09, 0.47,0.11,0.93,0.00
Germanic:E09613_Germany_Bell_Beaker_Augsburg_4165_ ybp,40.55,28.74,8.47,15.06,0.00,0.00,3.41,0.00,0.0 0,2.79,0.41,0.57,0.00
Hamitic:JK2134_Egypt_New_Kingdom_3250_ybp,1.13,0.0 0,18.89,4.31,46.89,21.22,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00, 7.57,0.00
East_African:I5950_Ethiopia_4500BP.SG_4472_ybp,0.0 0,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,1.13,0.24,0.38,1.39,1.3 5,79.07,16.45
Celtic:France_IA_ATT26,43.25,20.56,23.86,1.11,4.84 ,0,4.11,0,0,0,0.02,0.55,1.71
Mongolian:XiongNu_1960_R_L645_N9a2_4_5_11_,4.03,0. 00,0.00,1.20,0.00,0.00,0.00,50.07,44.27,0.44,0.00, 0.00,0.00

And go to Vahaduo website K13 Ancient and delete all samples there and add only these.

Archetype0ne · Sep 7, 2021

Quite interesting calc.

Pr0_ · Sep 7, 2021

Based on that, Albanians are not even close to half Slavic.

On this calculator I have seen some more Southern shifted Albanians not getting any Slavic at all.

Pr0_ · Sep 7, 2021

This guy from Southern Albania does not get any Slavic
And apparently his family came from Northern Albania once.

Distance to:	Geni(albanian)
5.42313562	Ancient_Northern_Greek:Greece_MBA_Log02
10.33731106	Ancient_Northern_Greek:Greece_MBA_Log04
30.94740538	Ottoman:MA2196_Anatolia_Ottoman2.SG_3800_ybp
32.50827741	Celtic:France_IA_ATT26
34.32400035	Slavic:I4137_Czech_Early_Slav_dup.I4137.SG_1235_ybp
37.60606068	Germanic:E09613_Germany_Bell_Beaker_Augsburg_4165_ybp
39.63546266	Hamitic:JK2134_Egypt_New_Kingdom_3250_ybp
43.05443647	West_Asian:F38_Iran_IA.SG_2852_ybp
44.22980443	Judaean:I0644_Israel_C_5950_ybp
79.17313623	Mongolian:XiongNu_1960_R_L645_N9a2_4_5_11_
92.43684384	East_African:I5950_Ethiopia_4500BP.SG_4472_ybp

Target: Geni(albanian) Distance: 2.7745% / 2.77446719
87.8	Ancient_Northern_Greek

8.3	Judaean

3.9	West_Asian

Pr0_ · Sep 7, 2021

Archetype0ne said:
Quite interesting calc.

Yes I think it is a good calculator despite some people get excessive Jewish or West Asian, (I think it can be added onto pre-Slavic ancestry)

Still better than some of those Serbs that claim we apparently are only 50% Paleo-Balkan autosomally

They invent some theories how Romans genetically changed the Balkans yet these Ancient Greek samples simply disprove it. Just look how close they
are to some Albanians at distance of 5, 6 and 7. Closer than most samples I have seen so far.

Archetype0ne · Sep 7, 2021

Pr0_ said:
This guy from Southern Albania does not get any Slavic
And apparently his family came from Northern Albania once.

Distance to: Geni(albanian)
5.42313562 Ancient_Northern_Greek:Greece_MBA_Log02
10.33731106 Ancient_Northern_Greek:Greece_MBA_Log04
30.94740538 Ottoman:MA2196_Anatolia_Ottoman2.SG_3800_ybp
32.50827741 Celtic:France_IA_ATT26
34.32400035 Slavic:I4137_Czech_Early_Slav_dup.I4137.SG_1235_ybp
37.60606068 Germanic:E09613_Germany_Bell_Beaker_Augsburg_4165_ybp
39.63546266 Hamitic:JK2134_Egypt_New_Kingdom_3250_ybp
43.05443647 West_Asian:F38_Iran_IA.SG_2852_ybp
44.22980443 Judaean:I0644_Israel_C_5950_ybp
79.17313623 Mongolian:XiongNu_1960_R_L645_N9a2_4_5_11_
92.43684384 East_African:I5950_Ethiopia_4500BP.SG_4472_ybp

Target: Geni(albanian)
Distance: 2.7745% / 2.77446719
87.8 Ancient_Northern_Greek
8.3 Judaean
3.9 West_Asian

wow

I wonder if POH27 from the Early Medieval Slavic samples was used would it change this guys results in any way?

https://anthrogenica.com/showthread...dieval-Moravia&p=766075&viewfull=1#post766075

He is https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Z49/ with very very interesting autosomal profile... From around Czechia IIRC.

Archetype0ne · Sep 7, 2021

PS: I do not get any Judean or Jewish one FTDNA where I did my autosomal or even Slavic for that matter.
But a lot of calculators do give me some Jewish results, Asheknazi, even Shepardi. Mostly related to Poland and Estonia on some more specific ones. High PPNL also.

I do have some suspicion of having had a Jewish maternal gggfather, grandfather of my mtgrandfather. But it is based on shaky suspicions of some masonry on the stone house gate after it burned to the ground, of star of David surrounded by a snake. Also supposedly that side of the family was involved with trade around Turkey/Ottoman empire so who knows. That 15% might be just noise, or there could be something to it.

I do also somehow score high Baltic Neo for some reason.

Pr0_ · Sep 7, 2021

Archetype0ne said:
wow

I wonder if POH27 from the Early Medieval Slavic samples was used would it change this guys results in any way?

He is with very very interesting autosomal profile... From around Czechia IIRC.

maybe.. as I know playing around with these samples seems to change the results. Sometimes I get Germanic instead of Slavic for example. So I don't
trust these calculators but the distance seems to make a lot of sense as do the results for this case.

I think we will find more Ancient Balkan samples like those Greeks which will change most peoples results to much less Slavic.

Pr0_ · Sep 7, 2021

Archetype0ne said:
PS: I do not get any Judean or Jewish one FTDNA where I did my autosomal or even Slavic for that matter.
But a lot of calculators do give me some Jewish results, Asheknazi, even Shepardi. Mostly related to Poland and Estonia on some more specific ones. High PPNL also.

I do have some suspicion of having had a Jewish maternal gggfather, grandfather of my mtgrandfather. But it is based on shaky suspicions of some masonry on the stone house gate after it burned to the ground, of star of David surrounded by a snake. Also supposedly that side of the family was involved with trade around Turkey/Ottoman empire so who knows. That 15% might be just noise, or there could be something to it.

I do also somehow score high Baltic Neo for some reason.

There are some Albanian Jews here in Kosovo I think.

blevins13 · Sep 7, 2021

Archetype0ne said:
Pse mo vlla? oops. Why bro? It is clear some of our vocabulary might be of pre IE origin, or maybe even post IE but paleo Balkan sprachbund related ancestry?

If you can use analysis of Latin and ancient Greek loanwords into Albanian to learn about its history / geolocation when the loans were taken, certainly you can use Romanian and Vlach? I mean... there is whole degrees of study, linguistics appointed to such matters.

I mean come on, them using fara for people has to amuse you at least a little bit no? I find it fascinating. Cause usually words for seed/people are rarely borrowed.

Edit: Man its obvious I am tired and completely misread what you wrote. You are right, and have the right to be disappointed. Not deleting my lame response for the lol.

No problem bro(vlla)

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blevins13 · Sep 7, 2021

Pr0_ said:
All the Vlach groups are considered to share a common origin and to have split between 900 AD and 14th century. This includes Romanian, Aromanian, Istro-Romanian, Megleno-Romanian etc.

I agree with this hypothesis

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blevins13 · Sep 7, 2021

Pr0_ said:
Based on that, Albanians are not even close to half Slavic.

On this calculator I have seen some more Southern shifted Albanians not getting any Slavic at all.

Usually from mountains of Laberia Region in the South, Slavic is lacking, but is more common in areas of South east Albanian and low lands.

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lacreme · Sep 7, 2021

Pr0_ said:
This guy from Southern Albania does not get any Slavic
And apparently his family came from Northern Albania once.

Distance to: Geni(albanian)
5.42313562 Ancient_Northern_Greek:Greece_MBA_Log02
10.33731106 Ancient_Northern_Greek:Greece_MBA_Log04
30.94740538 Ottoman:MA2196_Anatolia_Ottoman2.SG_3800_ybp
32.50827741 Celtic:France_IA_ATT26
34.32400035 Slavic:I4137_Czech_Early_Slav_dup.I4137.SG_1235_ybp
37.60606068 Germanic:E09613_Germany_Bell_Beaker_Augsburg_4165_ybp
39.63546266 Hamitic:JK2134_Egypt_New_Kingdom_3250_ybp
43.05443647 West_Asian:F38_Iran_IA.SG_2852_ybp
44.22980443 Judaean:I0644_Israel_C_5950_ybp
79.17313623 Mongolian:XiongNu_1960_R_L645_N9a2_4_5_11_
92.43684384 East_African:I5950_Ethiopia_4500BP.SG_4472_ybp

Target: Geni(albanian)
Distance: 2.7745% / 2.77446719
87.8 Ancient_Northern_Greek
8.3 Judaean
3.9 West_Asian

Interesting results! He looks like Greek/Italian shifted compared to others, I wonder if it's due to relatively lower Baltic and higher East Med compared to other Albanians (13.52 and 26.22 respectively) .

His K13 coordinates :

Code:

Geni(Albanian),23.31,13.52,21.33,11.99,26.22,2.62,0,0.19,0,0.74,0.44,0,0

As he has ancestry from the North and having seen the results of a couple of (Catholic ) Gheg ? Albanians who plot almost like completely normal Central Italians from Lazio, one even had R-U152 Ydna haplogroup, I wanted to ask. Is there any historical mention of intermixing of (some) Albanians with Italians maybe during the times of the Venetian republic or even before or after it ?

BTW my friend's Greek non bio maternal grandfather (with ancestry mostly from a cluster of Achaean villages which supposedly had Arvanite background ) is MORE Albanian shifted compared to him

Code:

[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH="colspan: 2, align: left"]Distance ratio: ( AC / BC ) ↑
A: Chris_nonbio_grandpa(Greek)
B: Geni(Albanian)
C: ↴[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #00FF15, align: right"]0.45912895[/TD]
[TD]Torbesh_average[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #00FF12, align: right"]0.46549818[/TD]
[TD]Greek_Central_Macedonia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0AFF00, align: right"]0.52000685[/TD]
[TD]Albanian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #1AFF00, align: right"]0.55018695[/TD]
[TD]Albanian_Gheg[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #42FF00, align: right"]0.62871692[/TD]
[TD]Greek_Northern-Thrace[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #4EFF00, align: right"]0.65323511[/TD]
[TD]Macedonian_South[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #51FF00, align: right"]0.65814069[/TD]
[TD]Macedonian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #52FF00, align: right"]0.66103089[/TD]
[TD]Vlach(Aromanian)_average[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #58FF00, align: right"]0.67206746[/TD]
[TD]Greek_Thessaly[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #60FF00, align: right"]0.68766788[/TD]
[TD]Greek_West[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #63FF00, align: right"]0.69355856[/TD]
[TD]Macedonian_North[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #67FF00, align: right"]0.70099265[/TD]
[TD]Albanian_Tosk[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #68FF00, align: right"]0.70394170[/TD]
[TD]Moldova_South_Gagauzia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #72FF00, align: right"]0.72401644[/TD]
[TD]Greek_Eastern-Thrace[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #75FF00, align: right"]0.72912410[/TD]
[TD]Bulgaria_Southeastern[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #77FF00, align: right"]0.73300424[/TD]
[TD]Bulgaria_Southcentral[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #7DFF00, align: right"]0.74458835[/TD]
[TD]Pomak_Bulgaria[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #84FF00, align: right"]0.75935640[/TD]
[TD]Bulgaria_Northcentral[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #84FF00, align: right"]0.75948627[/TD]
[TD]Bulgaria_average[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #86FF00, align: right"]0.76345652[/TD]
[TD]Greek[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #88FF00, align: right"]0.76613736[/TD]
[TD]Pomak_Greece[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #8BFF00, align: right"]0.77257607[/TD]
[TD]Romania_Muntenia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #8DFF00, align: right"]0.77586929[/TD]
[TD]Bulgaria_Northwestern[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #8DFF00, align: right"]0.77592844[/TD]
[TD]Romania_Dobruja[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #8FFF00, align: right"]0.78009652[/TD]
[TD]Romania_Wallachia
[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH="colspan: 2, align: left"]Distance ratio: ( AC / BC ) ↓
A: Chris_nonbio_grandpa(Greek)
B: Geni(Albanian)
C: ↴[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0800, align: right"]1.94279611[/TD]
[TD]Greek_Western-Thrace[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0A00, align: right"]1.92160428[/TD]
[TD]Italian_Marche[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF1C00, align: right"]1.79995591[/TD]
[TD]Italian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF1E00, align: right"]1.78969754[/TD]
[TD]Italian_Romagna[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF1F00, align: right"]1.78444075[/TD]
[TD]Italian_Lazio[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF2100, align: right"]1.77003416[/TD]
[TD]Italian_Umbria[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF4300, align: right"]1.58410000[/TD]
[TD]Italian_Abruzzo[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF5500, align: right"]1.49808658[/TD]
[TD]Italian_Basilicata[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF5700, align: right"]1.48960104[/TD]
[TD]Italian_Molise[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF6000, align: right"]1.45178118[/TD]
[TD]Italian_Tuscan[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF7100, align: right"]1.38648808[/TD]
[TD]Italian_Apulia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF7300, align: right"]1.37653528[/TD]
[TD]Greek_Andros_Island[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF8400, align: right"]1.31745693[/TD]
[TD]Italian_Campania[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF8800, align: right"]1.30593191[/TD]
[TD]Italian_Sicily[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF8A00, align: right"]1.29643328[/TD]
[TD]Greek_Cyclades[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF9100, align: right"]1.27453840[/TD]
[TD]Italian_Emilia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF9D00, align: right"]1.23754584[/TD]
[TD]Italian_Liguria[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFA100, align: right"]1.22593676[/TD]
[TD]French_Corsica[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFAB00, align: right"]1.19839717[/TD]
[TD]Malta[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFAE00, align: right"]1.18977241[/TD]
[TD]Italian_Calabria[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFB300, align: right"]1.17449425[/TD]
[TD]Moroccan_Jew[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFB900, align: right"]1.16001638[/TD]
[TD]Greek_Athens[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFBB00, align: right"]1.15396093[/TD]
[TD]Sephardic_Jewish[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFBE00, align: right"]1.14524203[/TD]
[TD]Greek_Ionia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFBF00, align: right"]1.14329379[/TD]
[TD]Greek_Symi_Island
[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

Pr0_ · Sep 7, 2021

Geni is R1b-BY611 as far as I know and he matches Ghegs and other Kosovars from the North. His family came somewhere from the North apparently at one point hundreds of years ago. I think the Albanian average on that calc is more north shifted due to the over representation of Northern Albanians while Tosks clustering more South could be a bottle neck effect also.

I am closer to the Albanian average but even I get only 22% Slavic on that calc. And I don't necessarily think it's real ancestry. These calculators are made by Slavs and they clearly have an agenda to assign extra Slavic to all people.

Pr0_ · Sep 7, 2021

That Catholic Northern Albanian guy you're talking about was from Mirdita. I can tell you his results are very atypical for an Albanian. As is his Y-DNA. You can just compare my results to his results and see who is more typical. I have also seen many other Catholic Northern Albanian results and they are much more like mine or some others, both Muslim and Catholic. He either has some foreign ancestry or he is clearly trolling. The guy has history of being mentally unstable so I wouldn't be surprised.

Geni's results are much more typical in this case as is his Y-DNA which falls into a typical Albanian cluster.

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