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Thread: Highest "Baltic" scores in Eurogenes K13 / K15

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    Highest "Baltic" scores in Eurogenes K13 / K15

    These two kits have probably the highest levels of "Baltic" admixture I've ever seen:

    1) M344515
    2) F215487

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    1)

    Milda Muciek (not sure about her ancestry, but might be Polish from East Prussia):

    Eurogenes K13:

    Kit M344515

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 Baltic 57.73
    2 North_Atlantic 25.58
    3 West_Med 7.82
    4 West_Asian 2.71
    5 East_Med 2.56
    6 South_Asian 1.08
    7 Northeast_African 0.82
    8 Oceanian 0.64
    9 Siberian 0.57
    10 Amerindian 0.49

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Lithuanian 4.81
    2 Estonian_Polish 8.39
    3 Belorussian 8.58
    4 Russian_Smolensk 9.2
    5 Estonian 9.77
    6 Southwest_Russian 10.63
    7 Kargopol_Russian 10.92
    8 Ukrainian_Belgorod 11.01
    9 Erzya 11.12
    10 Polish 12.22
    11 East_Finnish 12.5
    12 Finnish 13.61
    13 Ukrainian 13.91
    14 Ukrainian_Lviv 15.44
    15 South_Polish 15.61
    16 Southwest_Finnish 17.58
    17 La_Brana-1 21.43
    18 Croatian 21.51
    19 Moldavian 24.22
    20 North_Swedish 25.3

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 96% Lithuanian + 4% Erzya @ 4.79
    2 100% Lithuanian + 0% Abhkasian @ 4.81
    3 100% Lithuanian + 0% Adygei @ 4.81
    4 100% Lithuanian + 0% Afghan_Pashtun @ 4.81
    5 100% Lithuanian + 0% Afghan_Tadjik @ 4.81
    6 100% Lithuanian + 0% Afghan_Turkmen @ 4.81
    7 100% Lithuanian + 0% Aghan_Hazara @ 4.81
    8 100% Lithuanian + 0% Algerian @ 4.81
    9 100% Lithuanian + 0% Algerian_Jewish @ 4.81
    10 100% Lithuanian + 0% Altaian @ 4.81
    11 100% Lithuanian + 0% Armenian @ 4.81
    12 100% Lithuanian + 0% Ashkenazi @ 4.81
    13 100% Lithuanian + 0% Assyrian @ 4.81
    14 100% Lithuanian + 0% Austrian @ 4.81
    15 100% Lithuanian + 0% Austroasiatic_Ho @ 4.81
    16 100% Lithuanian + 0% Azeri @ 4.81
    17 100% Lithuanian + 0% Balkar @ 4.81
    18 100% Lithuanian + 0% Balochi @ 4.81
    19 100% Lithuanian + 0% Bangladeshi @ 4.81
    20 100% Lithuanian + 0% Bantu_N.E. @ 4.81

    Eurogenes K15:

    Kit M344515

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 Baltic 41.5
    2 Eastern_Euro 20.42
    3 North_Sea 17.97
    4 Atlantic 16.06
    5 West_Med 2.01
    6 West_Asian 0.9
    7 Northeast_African 0.55
    8 South_Asian 0.31
    9 Oceanian 0.27

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Lithuanian 5.08
    2 Belorussian 8.92
    3 Estonian_Polish 9.73
    4 Russian_Smolensk 11.13
    5 Southwest_Russian 11.42
    6 Ukrainian_Belgorod 11.88
    7 Estonian 12.52
    8 Polish 13.06
    9 South_Polish 14.57
    10 Ukrainian 14.66
    11 Ukrainian_Lviv 15.08
    12 Kargopol_Russian 16.23
    13 Erzya 16.36
    14 Croatian 20.02
    15 East_Finnish 20.06
    16 La_Brana-1 20.62
    17 Finnish 20.66
    18 Southwest_Finnish 21.88
    19 Moldavian 22.23
    20 Hungarian 22.95

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 100% Lithuanian + 0% Abhkasian @ 5.08
    2 100% Lithuanian + 0% Adygei @ 5.08
    3 100% Lithuanian + 0% Afghan_Hazara @ 5.08
    4 100% Lithuanian + 0% Afghan_Pashtun @ 5.08
    5 100% Lithuanian + 0% Afghan_Tadjik @ 5.08
    6 100% Lithuanian + 0% Afghan_Turkmen @ 5.08
    7 100% Lithuanian + 0% Afghan_Uzbeki @ 5.08
    8 100% Lithuanian + 0% Algerian @ 5.08
    9 100% Lithuanian + 0% Algerian_Jewish @ 5.08
    10 100% Lithuanian + 0% Altaian @ 5.08
    11 100% Lithuanian + 0% Anzick-1 @ 5.08
    12 100% Lithuanian + 0% Armenian @ 5.08
    13 100% Lithuanian + 0% Ashkenazi @ 5.08
    14 100% Lithuanian + 0% Assyrian @ 5.08
    15 100% Lithuanian + 0% Austrian @ 5.08
    16 100% Lithuanian + 0% Austroasiatic_Ho @ 5.08
    17 100% Lithuanian + 0% Azeri @ 5.08
    18 100% Lithuanian + 0% Balkar @ 5.08
    19 100% Lithuanian + 0% Balochi @ 5.08
    20 100% Lithuanian + 0% Bangladeshi @ 5.08

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    2)

    He is R1a, and part of a relatively old Baltic subclade YP420 under YP237:

    https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-YP420/

    Eurogenes K13:

    Kit F215487

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 Baltic 57.94
    2 North_Atlantic 27.93
    3 West_Med 7.94
    4 West_Asian 3.11
    5 Sub-Saharan 1.06
    6 Amerindian 0.92
    7 Oceanian 0.66
    8 South_Asian 0.36
    9 Red_Sea 0.08

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Lithuanian 4.37
    2 Estonian 8.82
    3 Estonian_Polish 9.09
    4 Belorussian 9.12
    5 Russian_Smolensk 9.63
    6 Kargopol_Russian 11.73
    7 Southwest_Russian 11.77
    8 Ukrainian_Belgorod 11.91
    9 Polish 12.18
    10 East_Finnish 12.37
    11 Erzya 12.55
    12 Finnish 13
    13 Ukrainian 14.52
    14 South_Polish 15.9
    15 Ukrainian_Lviv 15.97
    16 Southwest_Finnish 16.71
    17 La_Brana-1 20.67
    18 Croatian 22.26
    19 North_Swedish 24.26
    20 Moldavian 25.16

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 100% Lithuanian + 0% Abhkasian @ 4.37
    2 100% Lithuanian + 0% Adygei @ 4.37
    3 100% Lithuanian + 0% Afghan_Pashtun @ 4.37
    4 100% Lithuanian + 0% Afghan_Tadjik @ 4.37
    5 100% Lithuanian + 0% Afghan_Turkmen @ 4.37
    6 100% Lithuanian + 0% Aghan_Hazara @ 4.37
    7 100% Lithuanian + 0% Algerian @ 4.37
    8 100% Lithuanian + 0% Algerian_Jewish @ 4.37
    9 100% Lithuanian + 0% Altaian @ 4.37
    10 100% Lithuanian + 0% Armenian @ 4.37
    11 100% Lithuanian + 0% Ashkenazi @ 4.37
    12 100% Lithuanian + 0% Assyrian @ 4.37
    13 100% Lithuanian + 0% Austrian @ 4.37
    14 100% Lithuanian + 0% Austroasiatic_Ho @ 4.37
    15 100% Lithuanian + 0% Azeri @ 4.37
    16 100% Lithuanian + 0% Balkar @ 4.37
    17 100% Lithuanian + 0% Balochi @ 4.37
    18 100% Lithuanian + 0% Bangladeshi @ 4.37
    19 100% Lithuanian + 0% Bantu_N.E. @ 4.37
    20 100% Lithuanian + 0% Bantu_S.E. @ 4.37

    Eurogenes K15:

    Kit F215487

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 Baltic 41.37
    2 North_Sea 20.07
    3 Eastern_Euro 19.79
    4 Atlantic 16.27
    5 West_Med 1.9
    6 Sub-Saharan 0.46
    7 Oceanian 0.14
    8 Amerindian 0.01

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Lithuanian 4.93
    2 Belorussian 8.96
    3 Estonian_Polish 9.96
    4 Russian_Smolensk 11.41
    5 Estonian 11.55
    6 Southwest_Russian 11.76
    7 Ukrainian_Belgorod 12.35
    8 Polish 12.74
    9 South_Polish 14.34
    10 Ukrainian 14.38
    11 Ukrainian_Lviv 14.82
    12 Kargopol_Russian 16.47
    13 Erzya 16.91
    14 East_Finnish 19.6
    15 Finnish 19.77
    16 La_Brana-1 20.02
    17 Croatian 20.1
    18 Southwest_Finnish 20.99
    19 Moldavian 22.37
    20 Hungarian 22.55

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 100% Lithuanian + 0% Abhkasian @ 4.93
    2 100% Lithuanian + 0% Adygei @ 4.93
    3 100% Lithuanian + 0% Afghan_Hazara @ 4.93
    4 100% Lithuanian + 0% Afghan_Pashtun @ 4.93
    5 100% Lithuanian + 0% Afghan_Tadjik @ 4.93
    6 100% Lithuanian + 0% Afghan_Turkmen @ 4.93
    7 100% Lithuanian + 0% Afghan_Uzbeki @ 4.93
    8 100% Lithuanian + 0% Algerian @ 4.93
    9 100% Lithuanian + 0% Algerian_Jewish @ 4.93
    10 100% Lithuanian + 0% Altaian @ 4.93
    11 100% Lithuanian + 0% Anzick-1 @ 4.93
    12 100% Lithuanian + 0% Armenian @ 4.93
    13 100% Lithuanian + 0% Ashkenazi @ 4.93
    14 100% Lithuanian + 0% Assyrian @ 4.93
    15 100% Lithuanian + 0% Austrian @ 4.93
    16 100% Lithuanian + 0% Austroasiatic_Ho @ 4.93
    17 100% Lithuanian + 0% Azeri @ 4.93
    18 100% Lithuanian + 0% Balkar @ 4.93
    19 100% Lithuanian + 0% Balochi @ 4.93
    20 100% Lithuanian + 0% Bangladeshi @ 4.93

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    Here are four Lithuanians who have even higher levels of "Baltic" at K13:

    59.04 - kit T940605
    58.42 - kit T751932
    58.30 - kit T589878
    58.14 - kit M333034

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    I was not able to answer your private message, don't know why. But this one from your Latvian/Lithuanian list is even more "Baltic":

    Euro K13:

    Kit A146377


    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 Baltic 60.18
    2 North_Atlantic 25.86
    3 West_Med 5.87
    4 West_Asian 3.75
    5 Amerindian 1.6
    6 Oceanian 0.85
    7 Sub-Saharan 0.76
    8 Red_Sea 0.42
    9 South_Asian 0.35
    10 Siberian 0.3
    11 East_Med 0.05
    12 Northeast_African 0.01

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Lithuanian 6.6
    2 Estonian 11.14
    3 Estonian_Polish 11.22
    4 Belorussian 11.24


    He has also over 80% in Baltic hunter-gatherer component. Interesting peoples :)

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    And this guy is extremely "eastern" in DV3:

    Kit M085016

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 East_European 66.25
    2 West_European 30.79
    3 Mediterranean 2.96

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Lithuanian (Dodecad) 5.05
    2 Lithuanians (Behar) 7.71
    3 Belorussian (Behar) 14.74

    I would like to see how these people look :)

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    What's the "normal" percentage of "Baltic" to be found among non-Baltic Europeans? I'm 100% European-American. My people came primarily from the British Isles and the Rhineland. Yet my "Baltic" indicator seems--to me at least--quite high: 24.39 K13.

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    Although that Baltic influence may come from my mother's mother's father. He appears to have been of Prussian/Swedish stock...

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    # Population Percent
    1 North_Atlantic 50.29
    2 Baltic 24.39
    3 West_Med 13.41
    4 East_Med 5.30
    5 West_Asian 3.47

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 Southeast_English @ 2.164025
    2 Orcadian @ 3.848805
    3 Southwest_English @ 4.637319
    4 North_Dutch @ 4.644568
    5 Danish @ 5.089941
    6 Irish @ 5.538270
    7 West_Scottish @ 5.540809
    8 North_German @ 6.762066
    9 Norwegian @ 7.078649
    10 South_Dutch @ 7.595938
    11 West_German @ 8.955740
    12 Swedish @ 9.270187
    13 French @ 13.401077
    14 Austrian @ 15.120565
    15 North_Swedish @ 15.475686
    16 East_German @ 15.558745
    17 Hungarian @ 20.423645
    18 Spanish_Cataluna @ 21.140036
    19 Southwest_French @ 22.233803
    20 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 22.316618

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    I think you look normally "British". It doesn't mean that you will have 0% Baltic if you come from Western Europe. Baltic is only name of a component that peaks in Baltic area, but covers whole Europe, predominantly Northern Europe. I think it marks mostly WHG and ANE ancestry that now peaks in Baltic peoples.

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    Kit M434508 - 60.31% Baltic in Eurogenes K13.

    Quote Originally Posted by Syky View Post
    I was not able to answer your private message, don't know why.
    Sorry, my Inbox was full. Now you can answer it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stevenarmstrong View Post
    He appears to have been of Prussian/Swedish stock...
    Not sure about Swedes, but Prussian Germans can score over 40% Baltic in Eurogenes K13:

    http://www.forumbiodiversity.com/sho...Dmatch-results

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syky View Post
    I would like to see how these people look :)
    Probably like some other Lithuanians and Latvians.

    One of these guys with over 60% Baltic is Latvian.

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    Nevermind, I think that I am half American makes any of my posting of results irrelevant.
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    Shouldn't the Eastern European admixture maps be updated. All of these kits score barely above 40% on dodecads eastern European admixture. I've never seen anyone above 50% yet the spreadsheet listed Belarusians and Baltic populations from 50-65%. It seems way off. A full Belarusians I know only scores 37% and he'svery typical for Belarus. Most poles I see also score much lower on than what's listed on the spreadsheet. I think the spreadsheet and the admixture maps should be updated, it's misleading.

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    Quote Originally Posted by srdceleva View Post
    Shouldn't the Eastern European admixture maps be updated. All of these kits score barely above 40% on dodecads eastern European admixture. I've never seen anyone above 50% yet the spreadsheet listed Belarusians and Baltic populations from 50-65%. It seems way off. A full Belarusians I know only scores 37% and he'svery typical for Belarus. Most poles I see also score much lower on than what's listed on the spreadsheet. I think the spreadsheet and the admixture maps should be updated, it's misleading.
    I would like to see a map of East European admixture based on Eurogenes K10:

    http://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads...240#post505240

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    Yea makes a lot more sense , I don't know what dienkes was doing when he created the spreadsheet for dodecad.

    My father's results K10
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    South Asian 1.10
    Caucasus 6.95
    Southwest Asian 2.59
    North Amerindian + Arctic 0.33
    Siberian 0.77
    Mediterranean 12.76
    East Asian 0.34
    West African -
    East European 39.78
    North Atlantic 35.39

    Can you share your total percentages?

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    Sorry I'll post this in the other thread

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    Here are results for 8 mazovians



    Eurogenes K13
    North_Atlantic 27.03 28.33 32.93 30.11 27.99 32.02 30.13 30.66
    Baltic 51.01 52.80 47.10 48.85 45.19 41.98 43.0 42.03
    West_Med 9.04 8.70 8.14 9.17 12.31 9.48 11.61 11.08
    West_Asian 5.41 3.55 3.60 1.80 5.59 7.55 6.50 6.56
    East_Med 5.84 4.54 4.79 5.86 5.03 6.94 5.05 6.22
    Red_Sea - - 0.91 - 0.98 - - -
    South_Asian 0.86 0.76 0.86 2.73 0.22 1.18 1.85 1.02
    East_Asian - - - - - - - -
    Siberian - 0.69 - 0.10 0.27 1.34 - 0.97
    Amerindian 0.41 0.08 0.05 0.90 1.89 0.48 - 0.07
    Oceanian 0.40 - 1.05 - 0.25 - - -
    Northeast_African - - 0.45 0.46 - - - -
    Sub-Saharan - 0.48 0.11 - 0.28 - - -

    Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15
    North_Sea 19.58 22.51 22.57 23.01 21.90 22.25 21.24
    Atlantic 16.82 14.19 21.74 15.83 15.65 19.65 19.00
    Baltic 34.31 36.69 32.10 32.31 27.27 25.41 26.94
    Eastern_Euro 19.78 19.24 16.04 19.81 20.82 18.22 18.49
    West_Med 4.87 4.89 3.21 4.85 7.82 5.35 6.70
    West_Asian 3.52 1.75 2.23 0.06 2.61 6.36 4.69
    East_Med 1.13 0.44 0.60 2.08 2.19 2.70 1.09
    Red_Sea - - 0.53 - 0.65 - -
    South_Asian - - - 1.58 - - 1.57
    Southeast_Asian - - - - - - -
    Siberian - - - - - - 0.06
    Amerindian - - - 0.30 1.08 - -
    Oceanian - - 0.75 - - - 0.21
    Northeast_African - - 0.22 0.17 - - -
    Sub-Saharan - 0.27 - - - - -

    PuntDNAl 15
    S_Indian - 0.40 0.22 2.20 - -
    Mediterranean 18.82 19.75 19.34 18.91 22.90 23.07
    Siberian - 0.18 0.84 0.39 - -
    Wht_Nile_River - - - - - 0.11
    Amerindian - 0.38 - 0.52 1.68 -
    S_African 0.38 0.67 - - - 0.26
    E_Asian - - - - - -
    Caucasian 6.08 5.09 5.93 4.93 5.80 8.62
    NE_European 70.74 70.43 67.93 70.52 65.10 63.87
    Omo_River - 0.54 0.83 - - 0.51
    W_African - - - - - -
    Horn_Of_Africa - - - 0.50 0.95 0.42
    Oceanian 0.73 0.07 1.00 0.06 - -
    Beringian - - 0.24 - 0.26 0.36
    SW_Asian 3.25 2.05 3.67 1.97 3.28 2.75

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    I got 33.53 Baltic on k13
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    My data
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    Baltic
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    Quote Originally Posted by Syky View Post
    I would like to see how these people look :)
    VDMantas (GEDmatch kit M434508): Dodecad V3 East_European 67.60

    And I found his photos:

    http://www3.lrs.lt/pls/inter/w5_vaiz...89&p_kalb_id=1

    http://www.lrs.lt/datos/kovo11/signa...asm_id=240.htm







    He is a politician and administrator of one of FTDNA Projects:

    http://archive.is/2ov66

    http://www.familytreedna.com/public/LituaniaPropria/

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vidmantas_Povilionis

    I never saw anyone scoring more of East_European in V3.

    Except for Late Bronze Age Lithuanian sample RISE598:

    Late Bronze Age RISE598 (kit M483824): East_European 68.58

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tomenable View Post
    VDMantas (GEDmatch kit M434508): Dodecad V3 East_European 67.60

    And I found his photos: ...
    Looks... West Eurasian!

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    I think Baltic in K15 is something like "extra EHG-like" admixture. It is not very high in Yamna kits, who have much more of North Sea and Eastern Euro. It peaks in places where Latvian HGs lived in neolithic Baltic area and probably substantially influenced living Balts and Slavs. This is could also be the reason for higher levels of ANE in Balts. Look:


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    it's funny, milda muciek shows up as a cousin of mine, with the connection being 5 generations back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syky View Post
    I think Baltic in K15 is something like "extra EHG-like" admixture. It is not very high in Yamna kits, who have much more of North Sea and Eastern Euro. It peaks in places where Latvian HGs lived in neolithic Baltic area and probably substantially influenced living Balts and Slavs. This is could also be the reason for higher levels of ANE in Balts. Look:
    According to the results of mine and M434508 and A146377 from the above posts there is no direct conformity. All of us have for about 50% or a bit less of WHG and 20-25% of EHG by MDLP K11. So in total it's more than "Baltic" in Eurogenes K13 and at the same time "Baltic" is not only WHG or EHG separately. So I guess "Baltic" is something like WHG + EHG mix and some part of WHG is also presented in "North_Atlantic".

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