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    Ethnic Sorbs on GEDmatch?

    Are there any ethnic Sorbs on GEDmatch?

    They are among reference populations in MDLP calculators:

    Average Sorb according to MDLP K16 spreadsheet:

    NorthEastEuro 31.01
    Neolithic 24.81
    Caucasian 20.39
    Steppe 18.91

    Indian 1.13
    NorthAfrican 0.66
    Siberian 0.59
    Amerindian 0.49
    Oceanic 0.44
    Ancestor 0.37
    Arctic 0.37
    EastAfrican 0.30
    SubSaharan 0.20
    SouthEastAsian 0.18
    Australian 0.14
    NearEast 0.00

    Average Sorb according to MDLP World-22 spreadsheet:

    North-EastEuro 65.70
    AtlanticMedNeolithic 21.34
    WestAsian 3.69
    NearEast 2.49
    IndoIranian 1.79
    NorthEuroMesolithic 1.69

    Indian 0.60
    NorthSiberean 0.40
    SubSaharan 0.30
    East-Siberean 0.20
    Samoedic 0.20
    EastSouthAsian 0.20
    IndoTibetan 0.20
    Mesoamerican 0.20
    ArcticAmerind 0.20
    SouthAmericaAmerind 0.20
    Pygmy 0.20
    Melanesian 0.10
    PaleoSiberian 0.10
    Austronesian 0.10
    SouthAfrican 0.10
    NorthAmerind 0.00

    Average Sorb according to MDLP World spreadsheet:

    North&East Euro 50.24
    South&WestEuro 39.42
    CaucasusParsia 6.00
    MiddleEast 2.15

    Indian 0.75
    EastAsian 0.35
    SubSaharan 0.30
    PaleoAfrican 0.26
    Mesoamerican 0.22
    Melanesian 0.18
    ArcticAmerind 0.08
    NorthAsian 0.04

    Average Sorb according to MDLP K23b spreadsheet:

    EuroHunterGatherers 53.33
    Caucasian 27.32
    EuroEarlyFarmers 11.27
    SouthCentralAsian 1.95
    AncestralAltaic 1.60
    NorthAfrican 1.22
    NearEast 1.14

    SouthIndian 0.48
    Amerindian 0.26
    Australoid 0.21
    Austronesian 0.17
    EastSiberian 0.16
    PaleoSiberian 0.14
    Arctic 0.12
    Khoisan 0.11
    MelanoPolynesian 0.10
    TungusAltaic 0.08
    SouthEastAsian 0.08
    ArchaicAfrican 0.08
    EastAfrican 0.07
    ArchaicHuman 0.04
    AfricanPygmy 0.04
    SubSaharan 0.03

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    I want GEDmatch kits of people from this region (they were Slavic-speaking as late as 1750-1800):

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wendland



    http://koszalin7.pl/st/pom/pomorze_101.html



    Edit:

    585 people in Kreis Lüchow declared themselves as Slavic-speakers even as late as 1890 census:

    https://archive.org/stream/archivfrs...e/318/mode/2up

    Die hannoverschen Wenden.

    Bei dem Interesse, das die Schicksale der alten Eibslaven und die Ueberreste der polabischen Sprache erwecken, muss eine Notiz der preussischen Volkszählung vom Jahre 1890 grosse Aufmerksamkeit erregen. In dieser Statistik ist nämlich angegeben, dass im Kreise Lüchow des hannoverschen Wendlandes noch 585 Personen wendisch als ihre Muttersprache bezeichnen. (...)

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    Any descendants of Slovincians on GEDmatch?:



    Germanization of Slovincians:




    Example:

    Lutheran parish Główczyce (Główczëce/Glowitz), 28 km from Słupsk (Słëpsk/Stolp):

    Year (total population) - Polish/Kashubian-speakers (%), German-speakers (%):

    1829 (population: 4848) - 3297 Polish-speakers* (68%), 1551 German-speakers (32%)
    1850 (population: 5122) - 1370 Polish-speakers* (27%), 3752 German-speakers (73%)
    1879 (population: 5381) - 125 Polish & Kashubian (2%), 5256 German-speakers (98%)

    *In 1829 and 1850 there was no "Kashubian" category (it was counted as Polish).

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    Not a Sorb but I like this mdlp k16 distance population I'm close to Cossack!

    1 Serbian 3.63
    2 Croat 3.81
    3 Bosnian 3.95
    4 Croat 4.11
    5 Hungarian 4.38
    6 Cossack 5.15
    7 Serbian 5.29
    8 Hungarian 5.58
    9 Slovenian 5.77
    10 Moldavian 5.9

    You're Polish right? What are your stats? You should be even closer to Cossack...

    my stats
    Amerindian -
    Ancestor 0.25
    Steppe 16.72
    Indian -
    Arctic -
    Australian -
    Caucasian 29.47
    EastAfrican -
    NorthEastEuropean 27.04
    NearEast 0.30
    Neolithic 24.39
    NorthAfrican 0.55
    Oceanic -
    Siberian 1.30
    SouthEastAsian -
    Subsaharian -

    My raw dna data from Ancestry.com

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    Back in the 17th century, Sorbs were still not yet an enclave surrounded by Germans.

    At that time near Zielona Góra and Krosno Odrzańskie ethnic Sorbian settlement area bordered directly with ethnic Polish settlement area.

    That connection disappeared in the 18th-19th centuries as the area was Germanized.

    Maps:



    Map from page 252/253:

    http://www.cyfronet.krakow.pl/~n1kok...stery-2015.pdf


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    Data on the number of Sorbs in Regierungsbezirk Frankfurt/Oder in years 1843-61 (apparently no Sorbs in Kreis Crossen?):





    This is from R. Boeckh "Der Deutschen Volkszahl und Sprachgebiet...".


    Can someone explain why were there such big differences for Kreis Sorau and Kreis Lübben between 1843, 1858 and 1861?


    As many as 10,116 Sorbs were reported in Kreis Sorau in 1858, but only 203 Sorbs in 1861.


    As many as 12,427 Sorbs were reported in Kreis Lübben in 1858, but only 17 Sorbs in 1861.


    Were there different criteria in counting who was a Sorb used in 1858 compared to 1861 ???

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    MDLP K23b calculator on GEDmatch:

    Lusatian Sorbs (average):

    European_Hunters_Gatherers 53.33
    Caucasian 27.32
    European_Early_Farmers 11.27
    (...)

    Central Polish (example):

    European_Hunters_Gatherers 52.57
    Caucasian 28.1
    European_Early_Farmers 11.09
    (...)

    Western Polish (example1):

    European_Hunters_Gatherers 48.00
    Caucasian 28.53
    European_Early_Farmers 14.71
    (...)

    Western Polish (example2):

    European_Hunters_Gatherers 48.61
    Caucasian 27.23
    European_Early_Farmers 13.91
    (...)

    Grand Duchy of Lithuania, ethnic Polish (example):

    European_Hunters_Gatherers 60.88
    Caucasian 31.18
    Near_East 2.59
    European_Early_Farmers 2.45
    (...)

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    I get Sorb #1 on MDLP K16


    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Sorb (Lusatia) 2.72
    2 Pole (WestPoland) 2.93
    3 Pole (EastPoland) 3.43
    4 Ukrainian (Ukraine) 3.97
    5 Slovak (Slovakia) 4.02
    6 Belarusian (Zhytkavichy_Homel) 4.06
    7 Pole (Wroclaw) 4.08
    8 Ukrainians_west (WestUkraine) 4.36
    9 Belarusian (Kobryn_Brest) 4.61
    10 Ukrainians_north (NorthUkraine) 4.72
    11 Belarusian (Belarus) 4.82
    12 Ukrainians_east (EastUkraine) 5.01
    13 Hungarian (Hungary) 5.22
    14 Russian (CentralRussia) 5.4
    15 Swede (Sweden) 5.41
    16 German_Lipsian ((Saxony)) 5.42
    17 Russian_cossack (Kuban) 5.55
    18 Pole (Poland) 5.55
    19 Dutch (Netherlands) 5.8
    20 Belarusian_West (WestBelarus) 5.81

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    Quote Originally Posted by Userius View Post
    I get Sorb #1 on MDLP K16


    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Sorb (Lusatia) 2.72
    2 Pole (WestPoland) 2.93
    3 Pole (EastPoland) 3.43
    4 Ukrainian (Ukraine) 3.97
    5 Slovak (Slovakia) 4.02
    6 Belarusian (Zhytkavichy_Homel) 4.06
    7 Pole (Wroclaw) 4.08
    8 Ukrainians_west (WestUkraine) 4.36
    9 Belarusian (Kobryn_Brest) 4.61
    10 Ukrainians_north (NorthUkraine) 4.72
    11 Belarusian (Belarus) 4.82
    12 Ukrainians_east (EastUkraine) 5.01
    13 Hungarian (Hungary) 5.22
    14 Russian (CentralRussia) 5.4
    15 Swede (Sweden) 5.41
    16 German_Lipsian ((Saxony)) 5.42
    17 Russian_cossack (Kuban) 5.55
    18 Pole (Poland) 5.55
    19 Dutch (Netherlands) 5.8
    20 Belarusian_West (WestBelarus) 5.81
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    I'm part Polish (I think) so what the hell :P

    MDLP K16 2xOracle and OracleX4

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 Neolithic 26.58
    2 Caucasian 26.50
    3 NorthEastEuropean 25.00
    4 Steppe 18.31
    5 NearEast 2.57



    --------------------------------



    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 Croat_Croatia @ 2.910424
    2 Serbian_Bosnia-Herzegovina @ 2.915768
    3 Bosnian_Bosnia-Herzegovina @ 3.168954
    4 Croat_Bosnia-Herzegovina @ 3.280429
    5 Serbian_Serbia @ 4.396645
    6 Moldavian_Molodva @ 4.970966
    7 Slovenian_Slovenia @ 5.090466
    8 Montenegrian_Montenegro @ 5.339284
    9 Austrian_Austria @ 5.390345
    10 Romanian_Apuseni @ 5.659352
    11 Hungarian_Hungary @ 5.904539
    12 Hungarian_Budapest @ 5.952810
    13 German_SouthGermany @ 6.313717
    14 German_Lipsian_(Saxony) @ 6.825900
    15 Slovak_Slovakia @ 7.343654
    16 French_EastFrance @ 7.397042
    17 Macedonian_Macedonia @ 7.424575
    18 Romanian_Gorj @ 7.448555
    19 Czech_Czechia @ 7.491028
    20 French_NorthwestFrance @ 7.557441

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