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    My Results changed alot! These numbers are a bit hard to interpret though.

    Italian - 50.6%
    Jewish - 18%
    Southern European - 7.5%
    British and Irish - 5.4%
    North Western European - 4.9%
    West Asian - 3.5%
    European - 3.5%
    French and German - 2.5%
    Spanish and Portuguese - 1.8%
    Scandinavian - 1.6%
    Unassigned - 0.4%
    West Asian and North African - 0.3%
    Sub-Saharan African - 0.1%

    50% Italian = 46.2% Italian + 3.8% West Asian
    25% Jewish = 18% Ash. + 5.2% Southern European + 1.8% Spanish
    25% "American" = 5.4% British/Irish + 4.9% North Western European + 3.8% Italian + 2.5% German/French + 2.3% Southern European + 1.6% Scando + 0.4% Unassigned + 0.1% African

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    Quote Originally Posted by Regio X View Post
    Wow! Her new results seem good - more accurate - as well.
    As for the Y-DNA, the paternal granfather of my mother-in-law was from Udine, and she has a match with a same family name, also from Udine, who is R1a too. As this family name is a somewhat common patronymic, I'm not sure the lines are the same, but it could be.
    Apparently Friuli is the only part of Italy with relatively high % of R1a. Not even Veneto would have anything close to it.
    privately email this name
    .
    as for my wife paternal lines .....i traced them back for over 200 years and they are from firstly Gaiarine and then Conegliano Veneto..................her mother is from San Stino di Livenza ( venesia province)
    .
    we don't know the true border of Friuli although now it is the Livenza river, but a very old friend from Cividale friuli gave me a read from a book he picked up last year in Italy and basically pordenone and that western part of Friuli was Veneti at the time of the Venetian republic....
    Yes, I think there is about 10% R1a in friuli.
    .
    I wonder how less in % if you remove this area from the data
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavia_Friulana
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sile View Post
    privately email this name
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    as for my wife paternal lines .....i traced them back for over 200 years and they are from firstly Gaiarine and then Conegliano Veneto..................her mother is from San Stino di Livenza ( venesia province)
    .
    we don't know the true border of Friuli although now it is the Livenza river, but a very old friend from Cividale friuli gave me a read from a book he picked up last year in Italy and basically pordenone and that western part of Friuli was Veneti at the time of the Venetian republic....
    Yes, I think there is about 10% R1a in friuli.
    .
    I wonder how less in % if you remove this area from the data
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavia_Friulana
    From the last Friuili DNa paper which was 2012, these where the ydna
    .
    G2c , G2a, J2b and T1 are remnants of Early Hunter gathers before the arrival of farmers ...............surprised no C and H2 ydna found although these are usually found with G and T in neolithic times in Europe
    I2b and I1 would be herders/farmers "black sea area" and I2a and E1b1b are anatolian farmers
    R1a and R1b steppe migration
    .
    R1b ....20
    E1b1b .....16
    R1a ....13
    I2b ....8
    I1 ....6
    G2c ...4
    J2b ...4
    G2a ...3
    I2a ...2
    T1 ....1
    .
    maybe we need to check the east tyrol paper and the above ydna come from friuli alps ( carnico alps )

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sile View Post
    From the last Friuili DNa paper which was 2012, these where the ydna
    .
    G2c , G2a, J2b and T1 are remnants of Early Hunter gathers before the arrival of farmers ...............surprised no C and H2 ydna found although these are usually found with G and T in neolithic times in Europe
    I2b and I1 would be herders/farmers "black sea area" and I2a and E1b1b are anatolian farmers
    R1a and R1b steppe migration
    .
    R1b ....20
    E1b1b .....16
    R1a ....13
    I2b ....8
    I1 ....6
    G2c ...4
    J2b ...4
    G2a ...3
    I2a ...2
    T1 ....1
    .
    maybe we need to check the east tyrol paper and the above ydna come from friuli alps ( carnico alps )
    wich Jura and why,
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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    wich Jura and why,
    ??

    Jura Caves in North Switzerland / SW Germany............

    oldest Z19945 found there

    Caves and Ice Age Art in the Swabian Jura
    Some 35 to 40,000 years ago, humans took up residence in six caves in the Swabian Jura, and left behind unique evidence of their creative endeavours.
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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caves_...e_Swabian_Jura
    Is this what you mean ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sile View Post
    ??

    Jura Caves in North Switzerland / SW Germany............

    oldest Z19945 found there

    Caves and Ice Age Art in the Swabian Jura
    Some 35 to 40,000 years ago, humans took up residence in six caves in the Swabian Jura, and left behind unique evidence of their creative endeavours.
    .
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caves_...e_Swabian_Jura
    Is this what you mean ?
    Yes, thanks.

    I saw Jura next to your (our) Y Haplogroup.

    I understand now why you did that, you’re suggesting that because the oldest Z19945 was found in the Jūra Caves, It could have originated in North Switzerland / SW Germany.
    I guess it’s possible. :)

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    Attachment 10625

    Attachment 10626I have already obtained my results and they are these. My native population is province of Cádiz, Andalusia, Spain.
    Last edited by Carlos; 26-01-19 at 02:14.

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    Share your 23andMe Ancestry Composition

    Quote Originally Posted by Carlos View Post

    I have already obtained my results and they are these. Enjoy them, something like this is not found every day. My native population is province of Cádiz, Andalusia, Spain.
    Thanks for Sharing your results.
    ... Rota, El Puerto. I spent about a month in Andalusia years ago and loved it.
    Lots of Sevillanas​ music/dance.

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    [QUOTE = Salento; 564196] Gracias por compartir tus resultados.
    ... Rota, El Puerto. Pasé hace un mes en Andalucía y me encantó.
    Un montón de música / danza sevillanas. [/CITAR]

    Enchanted, it will always be well received in Andalusia. I am more to the north of the province of Cádiz, in the mountain, there is no sea but as a child I spent some summers in Rota.

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    The second iteration in the recently unlocked "beta" section came with significant updates for me as well.
    As i cannot add links to any print screen crops I will just list the updated composition with its subsequent changes:

    European 99.9%

    I Greek&Balkan 86.1%

    I.a Romania - Highly Likely Match:

    • Cluj County
    • Sibiu
    • Brașov County
    • Dolj County
    • Mehedinți County
    • Argeș County
    • Ialomița County
    • Bucharest
    • Alba County
    • Mureș County


    I.b Greece - Likely Match:

    • Peloponnese
    • Ionian Islands


    I.c Bulgaria - Possible Match:

    • Lovec
    • Veliko Tarnovo Province
    • Burgas
    • Silistra


    I.d Croatia - Possible Match:

    Šibenik-Knin County

    I.e Serbia - Possible Match:

    • South Backa District
    • South Banat District
    • Pirot District
    • Bor District
    • Podunavlje District


    I.f Bosnia i Hertzegovina - Possible Match:

    • Federation of Bosnia and Herzegovina
    • Republika Srpska



    II. Eastern European 3.4%

    II.a Poland - Possible Match:

    • Lesser Poland Voivodeship
    • Podkarpackie Voivodeship
    • Silesian Voivodeship


    II.b Ukraine - Possible Match:
    no particular region found

    III. Italian 3.3%

    III.a Italy - Likely Match:

    • Sicily
    • Campania
    • Abruzzo
    • Emilia-Romagna
    • Apulia


    French & German 0.3%
    "We’re working to identify your more detailed French & German ancestry"

    Broadly Southern European 3.3%
    Broadly Northwestern European 0.2%
    Broadly European 3.3%




    Melanesian 0.1%


    Broadly Melanesian 0.1%
    "We’re working to identify your more detailed Melanesian ancestry"




    Additionally I calculated the percentage of relatives from, the total number of inhabitants in each country I have genetic relatives and I've found quite interesting results. From the start I didn't take into account the USA results (225) as they are all European descendants yet impossible to fit them in any European category.

    By far, the most stunning result correlated with country's population is the one from Croatia 27 relatives out of 4.15 millions inhabitants 0.000006506% and all of them from a tiny region on the Dalmatian coast, second comes the percentage relative to Romania 110 relatives out of 19.64 millions inhabitants 0.0000056008%, third comes the Slovakian with 22 relatives out of 5.435 millions 0.0000040478, fourth Greece 36 relatives out of 10.77 millions 0.0000033426% and finally BiH 11 results out of 3.507 millions, 0.0000031366.
    I just notice a quite strong Croatian connection and adding its neighboring regions of Bosnia and Serbia...it gets even further interesting. In Bosnia and Herzegovina(11 connections) the higher number of relatives comes from the confederation of croats and muslims, neighboring the very Šibenik-Knin County of Croatia(the one giving all my 27 connections from there) as from Serbia(15 connections), the highest number of connections comes from South Backa District, again neighboring a Croatian county of Vukovar Srijem.
    And the final idea about that, I share with Poland 40 relatives all spread in 3 southern regions of Poland, a very interesting find being that these 3 actual regions were known in the XI-th century as Chrobatia region inside Poland, an area known as being inhabited by white croatians. From there they seem have migrated into the Balkans and settled on the dalmatian coast.
    Perhaps my family name makes more sense in the context? I prefer not to think it is just coincidental... it is ... what/as it is. I am curious to see my French&German connections, perhaps with a future iteration, that section will receive some spots on the map as well.
    What i am really curious and a bit baffled is that neither for Hungary nor for Slovakia with whom I share 22 relatives each, there is no point of presence on the Eastern European map.
    With Germany I share 26 connections while with Austria 17.


    Quote Originally Posted by JajarBingan View Post
    At least it's clean for once, but I liked the previous iteration more.

    They explain it themselves in the description of the category.

    "
    Despite broad cultural and religious diversity, the people of the Balkans are genetically similar to one another, descending from early Mediterranean and Slavic peoples. Island Greeks lack this ancestral Slavic influence and are similar to southern Italians."


    According to their definition, the Balkans extend from Moldova to Croatia North and down South to Greece, sans the islands. Cyprus is still grouped with West Asia as far as I know

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    Quote Originally Posted by domogled View Post


    Additionally I calculated the percentage of relatives from, the total number of inhabitants in each country I have genetic relatives and I've found quite interesting results. From the start I didn't take into account the USA results (225) as they are all European descendants yet impossible to fit them in any European category.
    By far, the most stunning result correlated with country's population is the one from Croatia 27 relatives out of 4.15 millions inhabitants 0.000006506% and all of them from a tiny region on the Dalmatian coast, second comes the percentage relative to Romania 110 relatives out of 19.64 millions inhabitants 0.0000056008%, third comes the Slovakian with 22 relatives out of 5.435 millions 0.0000040478, fourth Greece 36 relatives out of 10.77 millions 0.0000033426% and finally BiH 11 results out of 3.507 millions, 0.0000031366.
    I just notice a quite strong Croatian connection and adding its neighboring regions of Bosnia and Serbia...it gets even further interesting. In Bosnia and Herzegovina(11 connections) the higher number of relatives comes from the confederation of croats and muslims, neighboring the very Šibenik-Knin County of Croatia(the one giving all my 27 connections from there) as from Serbia(15 connections), the highest number of connections comes from South Backa District, again neighboring a Croatian county of Vukovar Srijem.
    And the final idea about that, I share with Poland 40 relatives all spread in 3 southern regions of Poland, a very interesting find being that these 3 actual regions were known in the XI-th century as Chrobatia region inside Poland, an area known as being inhabited by white croatians. From there they seem have migrated into the Balkans and settled on the dalmatian coast.
    Perhaps my family name makes more sense in the context? I prefer not to think it is just coincidental... it is ... what/as it is. I am curious to see my French&German connections, perhaps with a future iteration, that section will receive some spots on the map as well.
    What i am really curious and a bit baffled is that neither for Hungary nor for Slovakia with whom I share 22 relatives each, there is no point of presence on the Eastern European map.
    With Germany I share 26 connections while with Austria 17.
    For the relatives, I suggest filtering to 4 grandparents.
    Here's a personal example:
    Russia - 60 relatives; with 4 grandparents - 0
    Germany - 28; with 4gp - 0

    So for me the distribution of relatives (without the New World) overall looks like this:

    Poland (74)
    Ukraine (66)
    Russia (60)
    Romania (43)
    Germany (28)
    Hungary (21)
    Austria (20)
    Italy (18)
    Slovakia (16)
    United Kingdom (15)
    Lithuania (13)
    Greece (11)
    Belarus (10)
    Croatia (9)
    Czechia (7)
    Moldova (7)
    Serbia (7)
    France (6)

    But when that's filtered down to 4 grandparents, it suddenly makes more sense:

    Romania (26)
    Poland (15)
    Ukraine (12)
    Moldova (5)
    Hungary (4)
    Serbia (4)
    Greece (4)
    Belarus (3)
    United Kingdom (3)
    Croatia (2)
    Slovakia (2)
    Austria (2)
    Italy (2)
    France (2)
    Lithuania (1)
    Czechia (0)
    Germany (0)
    Russia (0)

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    Quote Originally Posted by domogled View Post
    The second iteration in the recently unlocked "beta" section came with significant updates for me as well.
    European 99.9%
    I Greek&Balkan 86.1%
    (...)
    You are from Romania or have Romanians ancestors?
    Domogled is an area in Cerna Mountains in Caras-Severin County.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    Interesting how just by being from the west versus the east I have no Greek and Balkan and no Eastern European at all. Other than Italian (about 70%), and broad Southern European (9%), it's all French/German and North Western European and Scandinavian. I wonder what my 100% Emilian father would have gotten.

    When the scientists say the Italians are the most diverse people in Europe they aren't kidding. :)

    Just a point of curiosity. On my report it says 80% of my matches are French German, but when I look at the top matches they assign to me, four out of the five have at least one Italian surname. Are your matches also partly Italian?



    Yes, Angela. Also in my case the matches sharing with me larger genome fragments are either Italians of my own parts (or from very close areas) or people of partial Italian roots (with some recent ancestors, from parents to great-grandparents). However, among the first 10 ones of my list also appears a boy who I suppose is completely Bulgarian (has a 9% of Italian, but I don't think it's a recent legacy), and a couple of American women of completely Northern European and / or Eastern European ancestry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stuvanè View Post
    Yes, Angela. Also in my case the matches sharing with me larger genome fragments are either Italians of my own parts (or from very close areas) or people of partial Italian roots (with some recent ancestors, from parents to great-grandparents). However, among the first 10 ones of my list also appears a boy who I suppose is completely Bulgarian (has a 9% of Italian, but I don't think it's a recent legacy), and a couple of American women of completely Northern European and / or Eastern European ancestry.
    Yes, I have some weird results like that too, and among my highest matches, so it's unlikely they're false matches. There's one family in the U.S. and one in Sweden who as far as they know are completely Scandinavian in ancestry. I can't figure it out unless my father's area being so isolated means certain bits dating back to the Langobard period have been conserved there. That or they're both wrong about their own ancestry.


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    JajarBingan, that makes sense only if I am curious about more recent connections with newer relatives, i guess a higher number of relatives with all 4 grandparents in the same country is telling you a story closer to present time, perhaps one stretching back to the last 200 years. My main curiosity lays between 2800 years ago (TMRCA of my last known subclade) and maybe 300-400 years ago. My main focus is on the deeper roots, I have a pretty decent image regarding the relatives up to great great parents, but from that point backwards is where the things gets blurred and I think the dots I connected earlier might tell an older story, exactly what I am more keen to find.

    But i can try such a chart of course:)

    1 grandparent:

    • United States of America (225)
    • Romania (110)
    • Poland (40)
    • Greece (36)
    • Ukraine (32)
    • Canada (31)
    • Italy (28)
    • Croatia (27)
    • Germany (26)
    • Russia (24)
    • Hungary (22)
    • Slovakia (22)
    • Bulgaria (19)
    • Austria (17)
    • Serbia (15)
    • United Kingdom (14)
    • Bosnia and Herzegovina (11)
    • Ireland (9)
    • Turkey (9)
    • Belarus (7)


    4 grandparents:

    • Romania (72) 0.0000036659
    • United States of America (66) 0.0000002026
    • Greece (14) 0.0000012999
    • Croatia (8) 0.0000019258
    • Poland (7) 0.0000001843
    • Bulgaria (7) 0.0000009856
    • Serbia (7) 0.0000009969
    • Canada (5) 0.0000001346
    • Italy (4) 0.000000066
    • Slovakia (4) 0.000000736
    • Bosnia and Herzegovina (3) 0.0000008554
    • Ukraine (3) 0.0000000669
    • Austria (2) 0.0000002279721874
    • Germany (2) 0.0000000241575069
    • Turkey (2) 0.0000000250595164
    • Hungary (1) 0.0000002044780697
    • Russia (1) 0.0000000069204152
    • Ireland (0)
    • United Kingdom (0)
    • Belarus (0)


    The top5 connections with samples having all 4 grandparents in the same country relative to that country number of inhabitants is:
    1.Romania: 0.0000036659
    2.Croatia: 0.0000019258
    3.Greece: 0.0000012999
    4.Serbia: 0.0000009969
    5.Bulgaria: 0.0000009856

    Thanks for sharing such interesting results, your discovery regarding the unlocking of the beta section was simply spot on, and it just opened new research directions for me.
    I am highly appreciative regarding your will and commitment to share new findings...much appreciated sir.




    Quote Originally Posted by JajarBingan View Post
    For the relatives, I suggest filtering to 4 grandparents.
    Here's a personal example:
    Russia - 60 relatives; with 4 grandparents - 0
    Germany - 28; with 4gp - 0

    So for me the distribution of relatives (without the New World) overall looks like this:

    Poland (74)
    Ukraine (66)
    Russia (60)
    Romania (43)
    Germany (28)
    Hungary (21)
    Austria (20)
    Italy (18)
    Slovakia (16)
    United Kingdom (15)
    Lithuania (13)
    Greece (11)
    Belarus (10)
    Croatia (9)
    Czechia (7)
    Moldova (7)
    Serbia (7)
    France (6)

    But when that's filtered down to 4 grandparents, it suddenly makes more sense:

    Romania (26)
    Poland (15)
    Ukraine (12)
    Moldova (5)
    Hungary (4)
    Serbia (4)
    Greece (4)
    Belarus (3)
    United Kingdom (3)
    Croatia (2)
    Slovakia (2)
    Austria (2)
    Italy (2)
    France (2)
    Lithuania (1)
    Czechia (0)
    Germany (0)
    Russia (0)
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    Quote Originally Posted by gidai View Post
    You are from Romania or have Romanians ancestors?
    Domogled is an area in Cerna Mountains in Caras-Severin County.
    domogled is one of the nicknames i use since more than 20 years ago, I know pretty well the area, I was born in its vicinity, Domogled is a mountain peak in the Mehedinti mountains afaik, right above Baile Herculane Cerna mountains I believe are the ones on the western/other side of Baile Herculane and they are part of the Caras Severin County while Domogled and Mehedinti mountains belong to the Mehedinti county. Domogled Cerna national park is an area stretching in these two counties.
    I was born in Romania and I have ancestors there, i think I already mentioned in my first post here not many pages ago precisely in this thread :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by domogled View Post
    domogled is one of the nicknames i use since more than 20 years ago, I know pretty well the area, I was born in its vicinity, Domogled is a mountain peak in the Mehedinti mountains afaik, right above Baile Herculane Cerna mountains I believe are the ones on the western/other side of Baile Herculane and they are part of the Caras Severin County while Domogled and Mehedinti mountains belong to the Mehedinti county. Domogled Cerna national park is an area stretching in these two counties.
    I was born in Romania and I have ancestors there, i think I already mentioned in my first post here not many pages ago precisely in this thread :)
    Bine ai venit printre noi! Eu provin putin mai din Est, de pe langa Olt.
    I think you have a very good idea to calculate the percentage of relatives from, the total number of inhabitants in each country, and also JajarBingan with all 4 grandparents in the same country.

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    Domogled's possible historical connections:



    -the entire Olt valley,rich in salt deposits and shepherd activity all along,starting with the mountains from Mures,ending with the lower area towards the Danube,like Slatina
    Around Mures,the Romanians are attested since the Mongol invasion, cca. middle of the 13th c,another record from that area,Simon de Keza,mentions the Vlachs from where the Szeklers have learned the letters.



    That portion of Eastern Carpathians was still heavily used by the transhumant shepherds until recently.



    Further south is the extremely important country called Tara Oltului, followed by the Wallachian state core Valcea-Arges,Litovoi-Barbat's possessions.



    Brasov and Sibiu,heavy shepherd background, most of the land was owned by Wallachia.
    Alba,Tara Motilor,like the whole mountain parts from the Western Transylvania also has lots of Paleo-Balkanic autosomes.

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    The most important, both the western and eastern mountain sides of Transylvania were part of the Miropolia a Toata Ungro-Vlachia(The Bishopric of All Wallachia), explaining ,perhaps, why the Szeklers had sided with the Michael the Brave(the second map).



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    Quote Originally Posted by gidai View Post
    Bine ai venit printre noi! Eu provin putin mai din Est, de pe langa Olt.
    I think you have a very good idea to calculate the percentage of relatives from, the total number of inhabitants in each country, and also JajarBingan with all 4 grandparents in the same country.
    Mulţumesc frumos pentru urare domnule,
    my mother is from Timis county from a village named Hodoni (hungarian original name Hodony, odon~ very old/batrin), my father is from Turnu Severin, I used to live in Timis and Caras Severin counties (Lugoj &Timisoara and Moldova Veche & Resita)
    On my fathers side I can trace back to my great grandparent using family documents, the local archives burned during an allied air raid back in WW2.
    As the new town of Turnu Severin had been rebuilt starting around 1850 a sheer number of settlers came from all around, lured by the prospect of a new town exceptionally placed at the very western most point of Walachia a meeting point of it with Banat/Austrian hungarian empire, Serbia and Bulgaria/ottoman empire, and Danube, Timok and Iron Gates Danube gorges dividing and gathering people, waters and mountains. So they came south italians, austrians( they were the big promoters of the newly re/born town with their Danube navigation company), hungarians, germans both sachsen and schwaben from Banat, sephardic jews, serbians, croats, greeks and even some french. It used to be the most cosmopolitan town of the romanian principalities not united yet, back in the era under the russian protectorate of General Pavel Kiseleff. My grandparents in Turnu Severin had italian neighbors till they passed away one by one in the 80's and 90's the last grandchildren of the ones who came in the mid XIX century as stone workers/masons, Mingarelli, Masutti and Marchesini families were living exactly on the very same area, few houses away. Some of you might have heard of an exceptional theater actress known as Ileana Stana Ionescu, her name sounds 100% romanian but she was quite an active part of the comunity of the italians in Romania, she was raised in Turnu Severin having an italian grandfather and an Austrian grandmother...She doesn't know why his grandfather came from Mantova Italy to Turnu Severin, but my great grandfather was a good friend of him. In Mantova there is a rolling stock factory, in Turnu Severin they were converting train cars repairing workshops into a rolling stock factory. Same as ship repairing workshops turned into one of the oldest shipyards in Romania if not the oldest, thanks to the Austrians Danube Navigation company.

    The town was a melting pot and my surname is pretty common in Serbia and Croatia. My connection with Bor District in Serbia is supporting my grandfathers tales that his grand mother was from the other side of the Danube only 2 kms cross with a boat.
    On my mom's side I know they were locals since at least 5 generations there but I know about some relatives in Cluj county, a cousin of my mother is from there.
    I tend to believe the romanian connections in Cluj and the other transylvanian counties comes from my mother side as for the ones in the Balkans in the ex yugoslav space I think my father's side is the one responsible for.

    The Sibenik Knin area in Croatia is the hometown of one of the best basketball player Europe gave, I share his surname and coincidence or not, all my 27 connections from Croatia are from exactly the same county...it is quite impressive tbh and discovering that few days ago it simply amazed me.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreptul Valah View Post
    Domogled's possible historical connections:



    -the entire Olt valley,rich in salt deposits and shepherd activity all along,starting with the mountains from Mures,ending with the lower area towards the Danube,like Slatina
    Around Mures,the Romanians are attested since the Mongol invasion, cca. middle of the 13th c,another record from that area,Simon de Keza,mentions the Vlachs from where the Szeklers have learned the letters.



    That portion of Eastern Carpathians was still heavily used by the transhumant shepherds until recently.



    Further south is the extremely important country called Tara Oltului, followed by the Wallachian state core Valcea-Arges,Litovoi-Barbat's possessions.



    Brasov and Sibiu,heavy shepherd background, most of the land was owned by Wallachia.
    Alba,Tara Motilor,like the whole mountain parts from the Western Transylvania also has lots of Paleo-Balkanic autosomes.

    Thank you for sharing, al in all a very interesting material to read no doubt about that , I will look closer about those info you gave me and hopefully I will find some interesting connections. I hope 23andme will refine the results on the maps and will offer the numbers fort each and every region or county so I can have a more refined result and perhaps to understand to a better extent certain aspects.
    Best regards dreptule valah ;)


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    The counties that you have mentioned are very high in Proto-Romanian autosomes,these can also be found at significant levels only in the Albanian populations, it seems,the compatibility with Serbia is much smaller.


    Plus,these counties are connected in a single set of genes,that clearly looks Proto-Wallachian,the other two ,Bukovinian-Maramures-Cris and Northern Transylvanian-Moldavian,all of them,I repeat,mainly connected with the Albanian samples.



    Even if in the town may have lived other populations, as usual,I really don't know why you don't say anything about Romanians.



    In many Romanian towns,the Greek,Balkanic, German,Jewish,etc.,populations had barely survived Communism,proportionally, because much more peasants from the countryside were moved here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tutkun Arnaut View Post


    When 23andme says Greek-Balkan, does it mean there is a Greek component, a Balkan one different from Greek or a single one called Greek-Balkan?
    What is Balkan, knowing that there is Slavs, Albanian, Bulgarian with different origins
    Can any one explain this to me, since I am confused about these definitions


    This new name is in my opinion a little arbitrary and not particularly effective, but I think it identifies a single component - we could call it differently "paleobalkan" - whose maximum signal is found in the Albanian / Kosovar territories, in the northern greek ones, and in the immediate adjoining areas, linguistically Slavic, but where the preslavic substrate remained in fact intact.
    I understand that whoever is from that region, beyond ethnic or linguistic affiliation, can expect values of over 90% of that component

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreptul Valah View Post
    The counties that you have mentioned are very high in Proto-Romanian autosomes,these can also be found at significant levels only in the Albanian populations, it seems,the compatibility with Serbia is much smaller.


    Plus,these counties are connected in a single set of genes,that clearly looks Proto-Wallachian,the other two ,Bukovinian-Maramures-Cris and Northern Transylvanian-Moldavian,all of them,I repeat,mainly connected with the Albanian samples.
    Got any sources for these autosomal connections?

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