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    Quote Originally Posted by Sakattack View Post
    I am Cappadocian Greek and I score 36% Italian. Of course no Roman ancestry in my case (and many other Anatolian Greeks who tend to score really high Italian).

    Cypriots score also high Italian.

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    Here are the results of my all Irish family on 23andMe.

    Mine

    European 100%

    Northwestern European 100.0%
    British & Irish 94.3%
    French & German 2.6%
    Broadly Northwestern European 3.1%
    Broadly European < 0.1%

    Mother

    Northwestern European 99.6%
    British & Irish 91.4%

    French & German 4.6%
    Broadly Northwestern European 3.6%

    Southern European 0.2%
    Broadly European 0.3%

    Brother

    European 99.9%
    Northwestern European 99.9%
    British & Irish 97.5%
    Broadly Northwestern European 2.4%
    East Asian & Native American < 0.1%

    Daughter

    European 100%
    Northwestern European 99.7%
    British & Irish 92.9%
    French & German 3.9%
    Broadly Northwestern European 2.9%
    Broadly European 0.3%
    Last edited by Elizabeth60; 31-03-17 at 13:41.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sakattack View Post
    I am Cappadocian Greek and I score 36% Italian. Of course no Roman ancestry in my case (and many other Anatolian Greeks who tend to score really high Italian).
    How could you possibly know that you have no Roman ancestry? Nobody has a genealogy going back to Roman times.

    Cypriots score also high Italian.
    Would you happen to have a few samples to share?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maciamo View Post
    How could you possibly know that you have no Roman ancestry? Nobody has a genealogy going back to Roman times.



    Would you happen to have a few samples to share?
    Nobody can know for sure, when we talk about such deep ancestry, but it would be really illogical for all this Greek population of Asia Minor and Cyprus to be descendants of the Romans, because they score really high Italian and at the same time not at all or very tiny percentages of Balkan.

    There have been never such massive Roman settlements at those areas.

    Every 23andme sample from Anatolian Greeks (or Cypriots), follow this pattern (more than 90% of the classified as "European" ancestry to be "Italian".

    Have a look at mine (first) and then check some Cypriots:

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    I now share with 2 people with 4 montenegrin grandparents (really rare to find)

    Montenegro (n=2)
    Balkan 85.75%
    Italian 0.2%
    Broadly South European 5.2%
    East European 4.05%
    British & Irish 1.05%
    Broadly Northwest European 1.7%

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sakattack View Post
    Nobody can know for sure, when we talk about such deep ancestry, but it would be really illogical for all this Greek population of Asia Minor and Cyprus to be descendants of the Romans, because they score really high Italian and at the same time not at all or very tiny percentages of Balkan.

    There have been never such massive Roman settlements at those areas.

    Every 23andme sample from Anatolian Greeks (or Cypriots), follow this pattern (more than 90% of the classified as "European" ancestry to be "Italian".
    That is odd indeed. Let's just say for now that 23andMe misreports some Greek ancestry (Aegean, Anatolia, Cyprus) as Italian. But in western Europe the Italian is probably of Roman origin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PaschalisB View Post
    I now share with 2 people with 4 montenegrin grandparents (really rare to find)

    Montenegro (n=2)
    Balkan 85.75%
    Italian 0.2%
    Broadly South European 5.2%
    East European 4.05%
    British & Irish 1.05%
    Broadly Northwest European 1.7%
    Perfect timing. I was just in the middle of making the Balkans map and only Montenegro was missing. ;)

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    Here are more maps.




    This admixture is very well defined in term of region. There is a very sharp drop as one leaves the Balkans. It would be nice to have some percentages for Slovenia, Austria, Czechia, Slovakia, Moldova and Ukraine too. Not single sample so far.



    This component might be linked to some sort of R1b ancestry, but without Scotland, Wales, Austria, Czechia, Slovakia and Spain it will be difficult to determine whether it really represents some definable ancestry or not. At present it looks like a blend of Gaulish and German, like a combination of R1b-U106 and R1b-U152, which could complement quite well the French & German admxiture.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maciamo View Post
    That is odd indeed. Let's just say for now that 23andMe misreports some Greek ancestry (Aegean, Anatolia, Cyprus) as Italian. But in western Europe the Italian is probably of Roman origin.
    Could be some shared Neolithic ancestry as well.

    In any case looks really mislabeled and problematic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maciamo View Post
    This admixture is very well defined in term of region. There is a very sharp drop as one leaves the Balkans. It would be nice to have some percentages for Slovenia, Austria, Czechia, Slovakia, Moldova and Ukraine too. Not single sample so far.
    I share with a person with 3 slovak and 1 hungarian grandparent:
    Balkan 13.3%
    Italian 0%
    Broadly South 3.7%
    East European 51.5%
    French & German 2.7%
    Britsh & Irish 0.8%
    Broadly Northwest 10.5%

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maciamo View Post
    It's amazing that Greek Aegean Islands have more 'Italian' than Veneto and Friuli and almost as much as Lombardy! Could it be because of Roman and/or Venetian colonisation? I wonder if they also look more Italian than the Greek average?

    Quote Originally Posted by Maciamo View Post
    That is odd indeed. Let's just say for now that 23andMe misreports some Greek ancestry (Aegean, Anatolia, Cyprus) as Italian. But in western Europe the Italian is probably of Roman origin.
    I don't know if it's real Italian ancestry in the Greek Aegean Islands. The 23andMe's Italian label peaks in Southern Italians, anywhere between Molise and Abruzzo, followed by Apulians. The 23andMe Italian category is based on Italian-Americans who are mostly of Southern Italian descent, and only secondarily and to some extent on Central Italians.

    On 23andMe the Greek label is included in the Balkan category, and Balkan peaks in Montenegrins and Albanians, and in Greece there have been many migrations from Albania in recent centuries.

    Autosomal map based on the data of 23andMe users of full Italian ancestry.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Pratt View Post
    I don't know if it's real Italian ancestry in the Greek Aegean Islands. The 23andMe's Italian label peaks in Southern Italians, anywhere between Molise and Abruzzo, followed by Apulians. The 23andMe Italian category is based on Italian-Americans who are mostly of Southern Italian descent, and only secondarily and to some extent on Central Italians.

    On 23andMe the Greek label is included in the Balkan category, and Balkan peaks in Montenegrins and Albanians, and in Greece there have been many migrations from Albania in recent centuries.

    Autosomal map based on the data of 23andMe users of full Italian ancestry.


    Those are excellent maps! Kudos. Are you the author of the maps? If not, do you know who is?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maciamo View Post
    Those are excellent maps! Kudos. Are you the author of the maps? If not, do you know who is?
    The author is a 23andMe's Italian user, the map was posted in an Italian group on Facebook. If you're interested I can try to find his contact.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pratt View Post
    The author is a 23andMe's Italian user, the map was posted in an Italian group on Facebook. If you're interested I can try to find his contact.
    That would be great. What's the name of the Facebook group?

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    That map shows a pattern and a cline.

    1) Italian and Balkan are scored by all the Italians. Balkan shows a Eastern-Western gradient, Italian a Southern-Northern gradient.

    2) French & German and British & Irish are scored by Northern and Central Italians only (British & Irish by Sardinians too).

    3) Iberian is scored by Northern and Central Italians, and only to a minor extent by Southern Italians like Abruzzesi and Molisani.

    3) Mena is only scored by Southern Italians. It peaks in Southern Calabria and Eastern Sicily.

    4) Eastern European is only scored by Friulani.

    5) Sardinian is scored only by Sardinians (not higher than 27.6% though). Italians don't get on average more than 0.5%.

    5) Italian users get a lot of Broadly Northwest European (1), Broadly European (2) and Broadly Southern European (3). Broadly Northwest European is scored by Northern and Central Italians, and to a minor exent by Abruzzesi, Molisani, and northern Campani and Pugliesi.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maciamo View Post
    That would be great. What's the name of the Facebook group?
    I got a reply, the author is a Venetian guy, Federico, the same user who made this graph already posted by Regio X. The map wasn't posted by himself in the group. So Regio X can put you in touch with Federico.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Maciamo View Post
    Those are excellent maps! Kudos. Are you the author of the maps? If not, do you know who is?
    The same guy. He also provides the following numbers, for Slovakia (n=16):

    - Southern European: 14.3
    italian: 0.1
    balkan: 10.6
    broadly S.E.: 3.6
    - Northwestern European: 19.3
    french & german: 3.5
    british & irish: 1.4
    scandinavian: 1.0
    broadly NW.E.: 13.4
    - Eastern European: 52.0
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    - Broadly European: 13.6 (it says 3.58, but it's probably a mistake)
    - East Asian: 0.2

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    Quote Originally Posted by Regio X View Post
    The same guy. He also provides the following numbers, for Slovakia (n=16):

    - Southern European: 14.3
    italian: 0.1
    balkan: 10.6
    broadly S.E.: 3.6
    - Northwestern European: 19.3
    french & german: 3.5
    british & irish: 1.4
    scandinavian: 1.0
    broadly NW.E.: 13.4
    - Eastern European: 52.0
    - Ashkenazi Jewish: 0.1
    - Broadly European: 13.6 (it says 3.58, but it's probably a mistake)
    - East Asian: 0.2
    Thanks. I have updated all the maps. Please clear your browser cache to see the changes. It would be great to have some data for Spain (ideally with separate data for the Basques, Catalans and Galicians), Czechs and Austrians so that the maps finally look complete.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maciamo View Post
    Thanks. I have updated all the maps. Please clear your browser cache to see the changes. It would be great to have some data for Spain (ideally with separate data for the Basques, Catalans and Galicians), Czechs and Austrians so that the maps finally look complete.
    One Spanish result.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Regio X View Post
    My own statistics for Venetians (roots in TV and BL provinces mainly) based on 12 samples to which I have access, including 2 (my father and I) with a little "touch" of MN and 1 with a little touch of UD. :) The scores don't total 100% because of the rounding down, and I discarded those below 0,1%.

    - Southern European: 55,3
    italian: 31.0
    balkan: 4.1
    iberian: 1.3
    sardinian: 0.1
    broadly S.E.: 18.3
    - Northwestern European: 36.2
    french & german: 15.5
    british & irish: 2.7

    scandinavian: 0.1
    broadly NW.E.: 18.2
    - Eastern European: 0.2
    - Ashkenazi Jewish: 0.2
    - Broadly European: 8.0


    My mother presents the highest Balkan % (7.6) from the list, followed by my father (7.1). I have the highest Iberian % (4.9) and Scandinavian % (0.8).

    Excluding those 3:

    - Southern European: 52,8
    italian: 30.0
    balkan: 3.5
    iberian: 1.1
    sardinian: 0.2
    broadly S.E.: 17.3
    - Northwestern European: 38.4
    french & german: 17.7
    british & irish: 1.5
    scandinavian: 0.1
    broadly NW.E.: 19.0
    - Ashkenazi Jewish: 0.2
    - Broadly European: 8.3

    The statistics below are more accurate, because they include many more samples (from all parts of Veneto, I guess). They have been done some months ago by a 23andMe user from Veneto.
    Veneto (n=38), Lombardy (n=24), Tuscany (n=12) and Sicily (n=50):


    Interesting how your french-german is above the average of 12%
    , most likely due to your Belluno province of Veneto.

    Following my paternal line via registry data , mine as well is usually above 12% but my line came from Trentino alto-adige prior to ~1600, towns of Magre`, Tres, Dermulo, Smarano and val de Sol.

    Maybe the French-German really means the ancient alpine tribes be it french, italian, austrian, german, swiss etc
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    Greece - Ionian islands (n=3)
    Balkan 37.73%
    Italian 41.17%
    Broadly South 13.97%
    East 0.5%
    Broadly Northwest 0.8%
    MENA 3.53%

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sile View Post
    Interesting how your french-german is above the average of 12%
    , most likely due to your Belluno province of Veneto.

    Following my paternal line via registry data , mine as well is usually above 12% but my line came from Trentino alto-adige prior to ~1600, towns of Magre`, Tres, Dermulo, Smarano and val de Sol.

    Maybe the French-German really means the ancient alpine tribes be it french, italian, austrian, german, swiss etc
    Most of my contacts with Venetian background are related to TV and get more than 12% (three have less). The F & G % in my list vary from 5.7 (this person has the highest British & I.) to 30%. Your son has the third highest F & G % I've ever seen in a Venetian. Possibly it represents some "Swiss like" ancestry. I don't know.

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    It is going to be difficult to make those maps accurate as you would need a relatively large sample set. I share with a large amount of Irish people and while they have high levels of British & Irish they have slightly different amounts of other categories. Many have small amounts of Scandinavian, Finnish and surprisingly many have trace amounts of East Asian and Native American.

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    Hi everybody.
    All my parents, grandparents and great-grandparents are italians from eastern Emilia (Ferrara/Bologna) and Romagna (Rimini/Forlì).
    These are my results from 23andMe:

    Italian 54.6%
    Balkan 6.5%
    Iberian 6.0%
    Sardinian 0.3%
    Broadly Southern European 16.0%
    French & German 1.1%
    Broadly Northwestern European 7.4%
    Broadly European 7.2%
    Middle Eastern & North African 0.8%
    East Asian & Native American <0.1%
    Sub-Saharan African <0.1%
    Unassigned 0.2%

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elizabeth60 View Post
    It is going to be difficult to make those maps accurate as you would need a relatively large sample set. I share with a large amount of Irish people and while they have high levels of British & Irish they have slightly different amounts of other categories. Many have small amounts of Scandinavian, Finnish and surprisingly many have trace amounts of East Asian and Native American.
    Would you mind posting the percentages of other Irish people with whom you are sharing? No need to mention their names of course.

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