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    The new 23andMe experience, starting in 2016 and replacing the old version of other customers the early months of 2017, has been a disappointment for many veteran users. One major let down is that it is no longer possible to search for people with whom to share by location or other profile fields unless these people appear in our DNA Relatives (which means that they must share at least one DNA segment). I thought it would be a good opportunity to share our results here. My aim is to compile a frequency table by country and region, so that people understand better how they compare with other individuals from the same region or from the rest of Europe.

    Please only share your results if all your ancestors come from the same country! Kindly also mention your ancestral region(s) within that country so that results can be classify more accurately.
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    Here is a table based on the results I have already received.

    EDIT: I have now made distribution maps of the main 23andMe admixtures.


    Country/Region Broadly
    South European
    Iberian Sardinian Italian Balkans Broadly
    Northwest European
    British & Irish French & German Scandinavian Finnish East European
    Albania (n=12) 7.6 0 0 2.7 86.9 0.4 0 0 0 0 0.4
    Belgium (n=57) 2.2 0.9 0.1 0.7 0.2 28.3 20.2 39.1 2.7 0.1 0.2
    Belgium - Flanders (n=33) 1.6 0.8 0.1 0.6 0 29.1 22 36.1 3.8 0.1 0.3
    Belgium - Wallonia (n=24) 3.2 1.2 0.1 1.3 0.4 27.2 17.5 42.4 1.3 0 0.1
    Bosnia (n=3) 5.8 0 0 0 68.1 0.8 0.2 0 0 0 16.5
    Bulgaria (n=10) 12 0 0 5.5 67.3 1.4 0 0 0 0 6.8
    Croatia (n=5) 5.7 0 0 0.4 65.1 2.6 0 1.2 0 0 15.9
    Cyprus (n=5) 3.9 0 0 43 0.2 0 0 0 0 0 0
    Czech Republic (n=7) 2.7 0 0 0 9.1 15.7 0.8 4 1.2 0 52.9
    Denmark (n=27) 0.1 0 0 0.1 0 34 17.1 7.9 38.5 0.1 0.4
    England (n=22) 1.1 0.1 0 0 0 22.9 56.8 12 3.9 0.1 0
    France - northern half (n=11) 5.3 2.5 0.1 1.9 0.2 22.6 24.6 30.2 1 0 0
    Germany (n=6) 2 0.2 0 1.1 0.3 30.9 11.2 37 6.6 0.1 5.2
    Greece (n=48) 11.7 0 0 13.3 70.4 0.7 0 0 0 0 0.9
    Greece - Aegean Islands (n=6) 16.6 0 0 44.4 23.4 0.2 0 0 0 0 0.1
    Ireland (n=43) 0.1 0 0 0 0 3.4 94.9 0.8 0.3 0 0
    Italy - Lombardy (n=24) 17.2 3 0.2 47.9 1.4 13.4 2.5 7.9 0 0 0
    Italy - Sicily (n=50) 10.7 0.5 0.2 72.8 2.2 0.5 0.1 0.1 0 0 0
    Italy - South (n=5) 9.7 0.1 0 72.5 4.3 4 0 0 0 0 0
    Italy - Tuscany (n=12) 13.9 1.1 0 66.4 4.2 6.7 1.6 1.2 0 0.2 0.1
    Italy - Veneto (n=46) 19.2 2 0.1 33 3.9 17.6 2.1 11.9 0.1 0.1 0.4
    Kosovo (n=5) 3.9 0 0 0.9 92.6 0.1 0 0 0 0 0.4
    FYR Macedonia (n=4) 13.1 0 0 2.9 71.4 1.1 0 0 0 0 6.1
    Montenegro (n=2) 5.2 0 0 0.2 85.8 1.7 1.1 0 0 0 4.1
    Netherlands (n=18) 0.9 0.1 0 0.3 0 31.6 22.2 24.4 12.5 0.1 0
    Norway (n=6) 0.2 0 0 0 0 17.2 8.3 1.6 64.8 6.8 0
    Portugal (n=30) 16.2 59 0 5.7 0.1 8.3 0.9 2.5 0 0 0
    Romania (n=12) 11.6 0 0 3.2 66.6 2.3 0 0.9 0 0 6.7
    Serbia (n=16) 5.3 0.1 0 0.3 75.5 1.6 0 0.3 0 0 9
    Slovakia (n=16) 3.6 0 0 0.1 10.6 13.4 1.4 3.5 1 0 52
    Sweden (n=8) 0.2 0 0 0 0 19.2 4.1 2 60.5 9.3 2
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    I have also collected many results from mainland Greece, here are the averages:

    Greece mainland (n=48)
    Balkan: 70.04%
    Italian: 13.35%
    Broadly South European: 11.69%
    East European: 0.89%
    Northwest European: 0.67%
    Middle Eastern & North African: 0.69%
    East Asian & Native American: 0.10%

    The islanders score higher Italian than Balkan and they usually score more than 4% Middle Eastern & North African (with frequencies up to 10% sometimes)

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    Quote Originally Posted by PaschalisB View Post
    I have also collected many results from mainland Greece, here are the averages:

    Greece mainland (n=48)
    Balkan: 70.04%
    Italian: 13.35%
    Broadly South European: 11.69%
    East European: 0.89%
    Northwest European: 0.67%
    Middle Eastern & North African: 0.69%
    East Asian & Native American: 0.10%

    The islanders score higher Italian than Balkan and they usually score more than 4% Middle Eastern & North African (with frequencies up to 10% sometimes)

    That's fantastic! It will much faster to add new country averages at this rhythm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maciamo View Post
    Here is a table based on the results I have already received.
    If you get Ashkenazi results could you perhaps inquire as to whether their ancestors were Eastern Ashkenazi or Western, and compare? Would be interesting as I don't think there are any studies on this.

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    Thank you for posting this! I've always wanted to see national results organized like that. I have made my own table of Portuguese and Spanish 23andme users, mostly "relatives". The results don't totally match what is in your table - for example, the Portuguese results tend to have more British&Irish than French&German, but that might be due to the fact that they have more in common with one another, being all related to me, thus being unrepresentative.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maciamo View Post
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    Have you considered creating a map of admixtures based on DNA Land, MyHeritage, Gencove, GenePlaza etc. tests? These tests are for free (autosomal transfer is for free) and they accept transfers of autosomal data from all major companies, therefore you will be able to get more samples per country. In Poland for example, most people test with FTDNA, 23andMe is not very popular. 23andMe is not so popular in Europe because they don't offer discounts or medical reports to Europeans, they treat Europeans as second-class customers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tomenable View Post
    Have you considered creating a map of admixtures based on DNA Land, MyHeritage, Gencove, GenePlaza etc. tests? These tests are for free (autosomal transfer is for free) and they accept transfers of autosomal data from all major companies, therefore you will be able to get more samples per country. In Poland for example, most people test with FTDNA, 23andMe is not very popular. 23andMe is not so popular in Europe because they don't offer discounts or medical reports to Europeans, they treat Europeans as second-class customers.
    That's a good idea, but I would need enough people from every country to share their data. I am going to start similar threads for other companies.

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    My results:
    Balkan 61.7%
    Italian 15%
    Broadly South European: 15.4%
    Eastern European: 2.5%
    French & German: 0.2%
    Broadly Northwest European: 1.4%
    Ashkenazi: 0.1%

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    Albanian average (n=8)
    Balkan 89.45%
    Italian 1.26%
    Broadly South European 6.8%
    East European 0.11%
    Northwest European 0.48%
    Middle Eastern & North African 0.01%
    East Asian 0.14%

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    Bulgarian average (n=7)
    Balkan 65.3%
    Italian 6.03%
    Broadly South European 13.38%
    East European 6.37%
    Northwest European 1.56%
    Middle Eastern & North African 0.54%
    East Asian 0.3%
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    Romanian average (n=8)
    Balkan 67.46%
    Italian 2.67%
    Broadly South European 11.39%
    East European 6.32%
    French & German 0.19%
    Broadly Northwest European 2.49%
    Middle Eastern & North African 0.57%
    East Asian 0.4%
    South Asian 0.3%

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    Greek Aegean Islands (n=6)
    Balkan 23.43%
    Italian 44.42%
    Broadly South European 16.59%
    East European 0.15%
    Broadly Northwest European 0.17%
    Middle Eastern & North African 11.73%
    East Asian 0.17%
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    Kosovo (n=5)
    Balkan 92.6%
    Italian 0.88%
    Broadly South European 3.92%
    East European 0.4%
    Broadly Northwest European 0.12%

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    Bulgaria (n=10)
    Balkan 67.34%
    Italian 5.52%
    Broadly South European 11.97%
    East European 6.81%
    Broadly Northwest European 1.38%
    Middle Eastern & North African 0.4%
    East Asian 0.28%

    Romania (n=12)
    Balkan 66.64%
    Italian 3.19%
    Broadly South European 11.61%
    East European 6.73%
    French & German 0.87%
    Broadly Northwest European 2.34%
    Middle Eastern & North African 0.5%
    East Asian 0.51%

    Albania (n=10)
    Balkan 88.68%
    Italian 1.8%
    Broadly South European 6.89%
    East European 0.25%
    Broadly Northwest European 0.44%
    Middle Eastern & North African 0.03%
    East Asian 0.02%

    Croatia (n=5)
    Balkan 65.08%
    Italian 0.44%
    Broadly South European 5.72%
    East European 15.88%
    French & German 1.18%
    Broadly Northwest European 2.62%
    East Asian 0.2%

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    My mother number below ................. western Treviso Province, veneto region, italy


    Southern European 58.6%


    Italian 36.4%

    Balkan 5.6%

    Iberian 0.0%
    Sardinian 1.2%

    Broadly Southern European 15.2%

    Northwestern European 36.6 %


    French & German 23.2%

    British & Irish 3.6%

    Broadly Northwestern European 9.6%

    Ashkenazi Jewish 0.4%






    my wife's numbers .............eastern Treviso Province, Veneto region, Italy

    Southern European 49.6%


    Italian 26.2%

    Iberian 6.4%

    Broadly Southern European 17.0%

    Northwestern European 45.2%


    French & German 17.8%

    Broadly Northwestern European 27.6%

    Ashkenazi Jewish 0.0%
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sile View Post
    My mother number below ................. western Treviso Province, veneto region, italy


    Southern European 58.6%


    Italian 36.4%

    Balkan 5.6%

    Iberian 0.0%
    Sardinian 1.2%

    Broadly Southern European 15.2%

    Northwestern European 36.6 %


    French & German 23.2%

    British & Irish 3.6%

    Broadly Northwestern European 9.6%

    Ashkenazi Jewish 0.4%






    my wife's numbers .............eastern Treviso Province, Veneto region, Italy

    Southern European 49.6%


    Italian 26.2%

    Iberian 6.4%

    Broadly Southern European 17.0%

    Northwestern European 45.2%


    French & German 17.8%

    Broadly Northwestern European 27.6%

    Ashkenazi Jewish 0.0%
    My own statistics for Venetians (roots in TV and BL provinces mainly) based on 12 samples to which I have access, including 2 (my father and I) with a little "touch" of MN and 1 with a little touch of UD. :) The scores don't total 100% because of the rounding down, and I discarded those below 0,1%.

    - Southern European: 55,3
    italian: 31.0
    balkan: 4.1
    iberian: 1.3
    sardinian: 0.1
    broadly S.E.: 18.3
    - Northwestern European: 36.2
    french & german: 15.5
    british & irish: 2.7

    scandinavian: 0.1
    broadly NW.E.: 18.2
    - Eastern European: 0.2
    - Ashkenazi Jewish: 0.2
    - Broadly European: 8.0


    My mother presents the highest Balkan % (7.6) from the list, followed by my father (7.1). I have the highest Iberian % (4.9) and Scandinavian % (0.8).

    Excluding those 3:

    - Southern European: 52,8
    italian: 30.0
    balkan: 3.5
    iberian: 1.1
    sardinian: 0.2
    broadly S.E.: 17.3
    - Northwestern European: 38.4
    french & german: 17.7
    british & irish: 1.5
    scandinavian: 0.1
    broadly NW.E.: 19.0
    - Ashkenazi Jewish: 0.2
    - Broadly European: 8.3

    The statistics below are more accurate, because they include many more samples (from all parts of Veneto, I guess). They have been done some months ago by a 23andMe user from Veneto.
    Veneto (n=38), Lombardy (n=24), Tuscany (n=12) and Sicily (n=50):
    https://youtu.be/JtJmnDC0yMo

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    Quote Originally Posted by Regio X View Post
    My own statistics for Venetians (roots in TV and BL provinces mainly) based on 12 samples to which I have access, including 2 (my father and I) with a little "touch" of MN and 1 with a little touch of UD. :) The scores don't total 100% because of the rounding down, and I discarded those below 0,1%.

    - Southern European: 55,3
    italian: 31.0
    balkan: 4.1
    iberian: 1.3
    sardinian: 0.1
    broadly S.E.: 18.3
    - Northwestern European: 36.2
    french & german: 15.5
    british & irish: 2.7

    scandinavian: 0.1
    broadly NW.E.: 18.2
    - Eastern European: 0.2
    - Ashkenazi Jewish: 0.2
    - Broadly European: 8.0


    My mother presents the highest Balkan % (7.6) from the list, followed by my father (7.1). I have the highest Iberian % (4.9) and Scandinavian % (0.8).

    Excluding those 3:

    - Southern European: 52,8
    italian: 30.0
    balkan: 3.5
    iberian: 1.1
    sardinian: 0.2
    broadly S.E.: 17.3
    - Northwestern European: 38.4
    french & german: 17.7
    british & irish: 1.5
    scandinavian: 0.1
    broadly NW.E.: 19.0
    - Ashkenazi Jewish: 0.2
    - Broadly European: 8.3

    The statistics below are more accurate, because they include many more samples (from all parts of Veneto, I guess). They have been done some months ago by a 23andMe user from Veneto.
    Veneto (n=38), Lombardy (n=24), Tuscany (n=12) and Sicily (n=50):

    This is great! I have added the percentages. Maybe I should combine your results of Veneto with those from the pie chart? Do you know if your results are already included?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Regio X View Post
    My own statistics for Venetians (roots in TV and BL provinces mainly) based on 12 samples to which I have access, including 2 (my father and I) with a little "touch" of MN and 1 with a little touch of UD. :) The scores don't total 100% because of the rounding down, and I discarded those below 0,1%.

    - Southern European: 55,3
    italian: 31.0
    balkan: 4.1
    iberian: 1.3
    sardinian: 0.1
    broadly S.E.: 18.3
    - Northwestern European: 36.2
    french & german: 15.5
    british & irish: 2.7

    scandinavian: 0.1
    broadly NW.E.: 18.2
    - Eastern European: 0.2
    - Ashkenazi Jewish: 0.2
    - Broadly European: 8.0


    My mother presents the highest Balkan % (7.6) from the list, followed by my father (7.1). I have the highest Iberian % (4.9) and Scandinavian % (0.8).

    Excluding those 3:

    - Southern European: 52,8
    italian: 30.0
    balkan: 3.5
    iberian: 1.1
    sardinian: 0.2
    broadly S.E.: 17.3
    - Northwestern European: 38.4
    french & german: 17.7
    british & irish: 1.5
    scandinavian: 0.1
    broadly NW.E.: 19.0
    - Ashkenazi Jewish: 0.2
    - Broadly European: 8.3

    The statistics below are more accurate, because they include many more samples (from all parts of Veneto, I guess). They have been done some months ago by a 23andMe user from Veneto.
    Veneto (n=38), Lombardy (n=24), Tuscany (n=12) and Sicily (n=50):
    Thanks
    Was this data from the person in 23andme who has the surname Dall`Ava ?
    If so, He is from Vazzola

    In regards to discarding, ................I discarded all mine from my father, wife, sons and myself who have 0.1 to 0.4% of Mongolian
    also discarded 0.2% of North-East Africa from my mother. ..............if you need these small fractions, let me know

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    British & Irish 45.9%
    Finish 7.3%
    French & Irish 4.6%
    Scandinavian 3.6%
    Broadly Northwestern European 34.7%
    Broadly Southern European 0.9%
    Broadly European 2.8%

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    Quote Originally Posted by Regio X View Post
    My own statistics for Venetians (roots in TV and BL provinces mainly) based on 12 samples to which I have access, including 2 (my father and I) with a little "touch" of MN and 1 with a little touch of UD. :) The scores don't total 100% because of the rounding down, and I discarded those below 0,1%.

    - Southern European: 55,3
    italian: 31.0
    balkan: 4.1
    iberian: 1.3
    sardinian: 0.1
    broadly S.E.: 18.3
    - Northwestern European: 36.2
    french & german: 15.5
    british & irish: 2.7

    scandinavian: 0.1
    broadly NW.E.: 18.2
    - Eastern European: 0.2
    - Ashkenazi Jewish: 0.2
    - Broadly European: 8.0


    My mother presents the highest Balkan % (7.6) from the list, followed by my father (7.1). I have the highest Iberian % (4.9) and Scandinavian % (0.8).

    Excluding those 3:

    - Southern European: 52,8
    italian: 30.0
    balkan: 3.5
    iberian: 1.1
    sardinian: 0.2
    broadly S.E.: 17.3
    - Northwestern European: 38.4
    french & german: 17.7
    british & irish: 1.5
    scandinavian: 0.1
    broadly NW.E.: 19.0
    - Ashkenazi Jewish: 0.2
    - Broadly European: 8.3

    The statistics below are more accurate, because they include many more samples (from all parts of Veneto, I guess). They have been done some months ago by a 23andMe user from Veneto.
    Veneto (n=38), Lombardy (n=24), Tuscany (n=12) and Sicily (n=50):


    Interesting how your french-german is above the average of 12%
    , most likely due to your Belluno province of Veneto.

    Following my paternal line via registry data , mine as well is usually above 12% but my line came from Trentino alto-adige prior to ~1600, towns of Magre`, Tres, Dermulo, Smarano and val de Sol.

    Maybe the French-German really means the ancient alpine tribes be it french, italian, austrian, german, swiss etc

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    It's amazing that Greek Aegean Islands have more 'Italian' than Veneto and Friuli and almost as much as Lombardy! Could it be because of Roman and/or Venetian colonisation? I wonder if they also look more Italian than the Greek average?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maciamo View Post
    It's amazing that Greek Aegean Islands have more 'Italian' than Veneto and Friuli and almost as much as Lombardy! Could it be because of Roman and/or Venetian colonisation? I wonder if they also look more Italian than the Greek average?
    Aegean Islanders + Cretans and Anatolian Greeks (mostly the non-Pontic ones) score really high "italian" on 23andme. The pattern is: the bigger the MENA they show, the higher the "italian".

    If they look more "italian" (the Aegean Islanders), I would not say so. Here are 3 famous Aegeans:

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    Now we badly need data from Spain, Portugal, Ireland, Scotland, Wales and all Baltic and Slavic countries.

    I have about 10 results from France, but the regional disparities are so huge that it's useless to group Gascons with Bretons, Central French or Provençals. Gascons are genetically Spanish, while Bretons are like the British. Neither look French in the Ancestry Composition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maciamo View Post
    Now we badly need data from Spain, Portugal, Ireland, Scotland, Wales and all Baltic and Slavic countries.
    From the same person:
    (rounding off)
    Portugal (n=30)
    - Southern European: 81.2
    italian: 5.7
    balkan: 0.1
    iberian: 59.0
    broadly S.E.: 16.2
    - Northwestern European: 11.8
    french & german: 0.9
    british & irish: 2.5
    broadly NW.E.: 8.3
    - Ashkenazi Jewish: 0.1
    - Broadly European: 5.1
    - MENA: 0.4
    - Sub-Saharan: 0.2

    Serbia (n=16)
    - Southern European: 81.2
    italian: 0.3
    balkan: 75.5
    iberian: 0.1
    broadly S.E.: 5.3
    - Northwestern European: 2.0
    french & german: 0.3
    broadly NW.E.: 1.6
    - Eastern European: 9.0
    - Broadly European: 7.4
    - East Asian: 0.1
    - South Asian: 0.1

    Ed.: Ops. It's Serbia, not Croatia.
    Last edited by Regio X; 30-03-17 at 15:45.

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