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    Thumbs up Share your 23andMe Ancestry Composition

    The new 23andMe experience, starting in 2016 and replacing the old version of other customers the early months of 2017, has been a disappointment for many veteran users. One major let down is that it is no longer possible to search for people with whom to share by location or other profile fields unless these people appear in our DNA Relatives (which means that they must share at least one DNA segment). I thought it would be a good opportunity to share our results here. My aim is to compile a frequency table by country and region, so that people understand better how they compare with other individuals from the same region or from the rest of Europe.

    Please only share your results if all your ancestors come from the same country! Kindly also mention your ancestral region(s) within that country so that results can be classify more accurately.
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    Here is a table based on the results I have already received.

    EDIT: I have now made distribution maps of the main 23andMe admixtures.


    Country/Region Broadly
    South European
    Iberian Sardinian Italian Balkans Broadly
    Northwest European
    British & Irish French & German Scandinavian Finnish East European
    Albania (n=12) 7.6 0 0 2.7 86.9 0.4 0 0 0 0 0.4
    Belgium (n=57) 2.2 0.9 0.1 0.7 0.2 28.3 20.2 39.1 2.7 0.1 0.2
    Belgium - Flanders (n=33) 1.6 0.8 0.1 0.6 0 29.1 22 36.1 3.8 0.1 0.3
    Belgium - Wallonia (n=24) 3.2 1.2 0.1 1.3 0.4 27.2 17.5 42.4 1.3 0 0.1
    Bosnia (n=3) 5.8 0 0 0 68.1 0.8 0.2 0 0 0 16.5
    Bulgaria (n=10) 12 0 0 5.5 67.3 1.4 0 0 0 0 6.8
    Croatia (n=5) 5.7 0 0 0.4 65.1 2.6 0 1.2 0 0 15.9
    Cyprus (n=5) 3.9 0 0 43 0.2 0 0 0 0 0 0
    Czech Republic (n=7) 2.7 0 0 0 9.1 15.7 0.8 4 1.2 0 52.9
    Denmark (n=27) 0.1 0 0 0.1 0 34 17.1 7.9 38.5 0.1 0.4
    England (n=22) 1.1 0.1 0 0 0 22.9 56.8 12 3.9 0.1 0
    France - northern half (n=11) 5.3 2.5 0.1 1.9 0.2 22.6 24.6 30.2 1 0 0
    Germany (n=6) 2 0.2 0 1.1 0.3 30.9 11.2 37 6.6 0.1 5.2
    Greece (n=48) 11.7 0 0 13.3 70.4 0.7 0 0 0 0 0.9
    Greece - Aegean Islands (n=6) 16.6 0 0 44.4 23.4 0.2 0 0 0 0 0.1
    Ireland (n=43) 0.1 0 0 0 0 3.4 94.9 0.8 0.3 0 0
    Italy - Lombardy (n=24) 17.2 3 0.2 47.9 1.4 13.4 2.5 7.9 0 0 0
    Italy - Sicily (n=50) 10.7 0.5 0.2 72.8 2.2 0.5 0.1 0.1 0 0 0
    Italy - South (n=5) 9.7 0.1 0 72.5 4.3 4 0 0 0 0 0
    Italy - Tuscany (n=12) 13.9 1.1 0 66.4 4.2 6.7 1.6 1.2 0 0.2 0.1
    Italy - Veneto (n=46) 19.2 2 0.1 33 3.9 17.6 2.1 11.9 0.1 0.1 0.4
    Kosovo (n=5) 3.9 0 0 0.9 92.6 0.1 0 0 0 0 0.4
    FYR Macedonia (n=4) 13.1 0 0 2.9 71.4 1.1 0 0 0 0 6.1
    Montenegro (n=2) 5.2 0 0 0.2 85.8 1.7 1.1 0 0 0 4.1
    Netherlands (n=18) 0.9 0.1 0 0.3 0 31.6 22.2 24.4 12.5 0.1 0
    Norway (n=6) 0.2 0 0 0 0 17.2 8.3 1.6 64.8 6.8 0
    Portugal (n=30) 16.2 59 0 5.7 0.1 8.3 0.9 2.5 0 0 0
    Romania (n=12) 11.6 0 0 3.2 66.6 2.3 0 0.9 0 0 6.7
    Serbia (n=16) 5.3 0.1 0 0.3 75.5 1.6 0 0.3 0 0 9
    Slovakia (n=16) 3.6 0 0 0.1 10.6 13.4 1.4 3.5 1 0 52
    Sweden (n=8) 0.2 0 0 0 0 19.2 4.1 2 60.5 9.3 2
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    My results:
    Balkan 61.7%
    Italian 15%
    Broadly South European: 15.4%
    Eastern European: 2.5%
    French & German: 0.2%
    Broadly Northwest European: 1.4%
    Ashkenazi: 0.1%

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    I have also collected many results from mainland Greece, here are the averages:

    Greece mainland (n=48)
    Balkan: 70.04%
    Italian: 13.35%
    Broadly South European: 11.69%
    East European: 0.89%
    Northwest European: 0.67%
    Middle Eastern & North African: 0.69%
    East Asian & Native American: 0.10%

    The islanders score higher Italian than Balkan and they usually score more than 4% Middle Eastern & North African (with frequencies up to 10% sometimes)

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    Quote Originally Posted by PaschalisB View Post
    I have also collected many results from mainland Greece, here are the averages:

    Greece mainland (n=48)
    Balkan: 70.04%
    Italian: 13.35%
    Broadly South European: 11.69%
    East European: 0.89%
    Northwest European: 0.67%
    Middle Eastern & North African: 0.69%
    East Asian & Native American: 0.10%

    The islanders score higher Italian than Balkan and they usually score more than 4% Middle Eastern & North African (with frequencies up to 10% sometimes)

    That's fantastic! It will much faster to add new country averages at this rhythm.

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    Albanian average (n=8)
    Balkan 89.45%
    Italian 1.26%
    Broadly South European 6.8%
    East European 0.11%
    Northwest European 0.48%
    Middle Eastern & North African 0.01%
    East Asian 0.14%

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    Bulgarian average (n=7)
    Balkan 65.3%
    Italian 6.03%
    Broadly South European 13.38%
    East European 6.37%
    Northwest European 1.56%
    Middle Eastern & North African 0.54%
    East Asian 0.3%
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    Romanian average (n=8)
    Balkan 67.46%
    Italian 2.67%
    Broadly South European 11.39%
    East European 6.32%
    French & German 0.19%
    Broadly Northwest European 2.49%
    Middle Eastern & North African 0.57%
    East Asian 0.4%
    South Asian 0.3%

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    Greek Aegean Islands (n=6)
    Balkan 23.43%
    Italian 44.42%
    Broadly South European 16.59%
    East European 0.15%
    Broadly Northwest European 0.17%
    Middle Eastern & North African 11.73%
    East Asian 0.17%
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    Kosovo (n=5)
    Balkan 92.6%
    Italian 0.88%
    Broadly South European 3.92%
    East European 0.4%
    Broadly Northwest European 0.12%

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    Updated data thanks to more people sharing with me

    Bulgaria (n=10)
    Balkan 67.34%
    Italian 5.52%
    Broadly South European 11.97%
    East European 6.81%
    Broadly Northwest European 1.38%
    Middle Eastern & North African 0.4%
    East Asian 0.28%

    Romania (n=12)
    Balkan 66.64%
    Italian 3.19%
    Broadly South European 11.61%
    East European 6.73%
    French & German 0.87%
    Broadly Northwest European 2.34%
    Middle Eastern & North African 0.5%
    East Asian 0.51%

    Albania (n=10)
    Balkan 88.68%
    Italian 1.8%
    Broadly South European 6.89%
    East European 0.25%
    Broadly Northwest European 0.44%
    Middle Eastern & North African 0.03%
    East Asian 0.02%

    Croatia (n=5)
    Balkan 65.08%
    Italian 0.44%
    Broadly South European 5.72%
    East European 15.88%
    French & German 1.18%
    Broadly Northwest European 2.62%
    East Asian 0.2%

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    My mother number below ................. western Treviso Province, veneto region, italy


    Southern European 58.6%


    Italian 36.4%

    Balkan 5.6%

    Iberian 0.0%
    Sardinian 1.2%

    Broadly Southern European 15.2%

    Northwestern European 36.6 %


    French & German 23.2%

    British & Irish 3.6%

    Broadly Northwestern European 9.6%

    Ashkenazi Jewish 0.4%






    my wife's numbers .............eastern Treviso Province, Veneto region, Italy

    Southern European 49.6%


    Italian 26.2%

    Iberian 6.4%

    Broadly Southern European 17.0%

    Northwestern European 45.2%


    French & German 17.8%

    Broadly Northwestern European 27.6%

    Ashkenazi Jewish 0.0%
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sile View Post
    My mother number below ................. western Treviso Province, veneto region, italy


    Southern European 58.6%


    Italian 36.4%

    Balkan 5.6%

    Iberian 0.0%
    Sardinian 1.2%

    Broadly Southern European 15.2%

    Northwestern European 36.6 %


    French & German 23.2%

    British & Irish 3.6%

    Broadly Northwestern European 9.6%

    Ashkenazi Jewish 0.4%






    my wife's numbers .............eastern Treviso Province, Veneto region, Italy

    Southern European 49.6%


    Italian 26.2%

    Iberian 6.4%

    Broadly Southern European 17.0%

    Northwestern European 45.2%


    French & German 17.8%

    Broadly Northwestern European 27.6%

    Ashkenazi Jewish 0.0%
    My own statistics for Venetians (roots in TV and BL provinces mainly) based on 12 samples to which I have access, including 2 (my father and I) with a little "touch" of MN and 1 with a little touch of UD. :) The scores don't total 100% because of the rounding down, and I discarded those below 0,1%.

    - Southern European: 55,3
    italian: 31.0
    balkan: 4.1
    iberian: 1.3
    sardinian: 0.1
    broadly S.E.: 18.3
    - Northwestern European: 36.2
    french & german: 15.5
    british & irish: 2.7

    scandinavian: 0.1
    broadly NW.E.: 18.2
    - Eastern European: 0.2
    - Ashkenazi Jewish: 0.2
    - Broadly European: 8.0


    My mother presents the highest Balkan % (7.6) from the list, followed by my father (7.1). I have the highest Iberian % (4.9) and Scandinavian % (0.8).

    Excluding those 3:

    - Southern European: 52,8
    italian: 30.0
    balkan: 3.5
    iberian: 1.1
    sardinian: 0.2
    broadly S.E.: 17.3
    - Northwestern European: 38.4
    french & german: 17.7
    british & irish: 1.5
    scandinavian: 0.1
    broadly NW.E.: 19.0
    - Ashkenazi Jewish: 0.2
    - Broadly European: 8.3

    The statistics below are more accurate, because they include many more samples (from all parts of Veneto, I guess). They have been done some months ago by a 23andMe user from Veneto.
    Veneto (n=38), Lombardy (n=24), Tuscany (n=12) and Sicily (n=50):
    https://youtu.be/JtJmnDC0yMo

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    Quote Originally Posted by Regio X View Post
    My own statistics for Venetians (roots in TV and BL provinces mainly) based on 12 samples to which I have access, including 2 (my father and I) with a little "touch" of MN and 1 with a little touch of UD. :) The scores don't total 100% because of the rounding down, and I discarded those below 0,1%.

    - Southern European: 55,3
    italian: 31.0
    balkan: 4.1
    iberian: 1.3
    sardinian: 0.1
    broadly S.E.: 18.3
    - Northwestern European: 36.2
    french & german: 15.5
    british & irish: 2.7

    scandinavian: 0.1
    broadly NW.E.: 18.2
    - Eastern European: 0.2
    - Ashkenazi Jewish: 0.2
    - Broadly European: 8.0


    My mother presents the highest Balkan % (7.6) from the list, followed by my father (7.1). I have the highest Iberian % (4.9) and Scandinavian % (0.8).

    Excluding those 3:

    - Southern European: 52,8
    italian: 30.0
    balkan: 3.5
    iberian: 1.1
    sardinian: 0.2
    broadly S.E.: 17.3
    - Northwestern European: 38.4
    french & german: 17.7
    british & irish: 1.5
    scandinavian: 0.1
    broadly NW.E.: 19.0
    - Ashkenazi Jewish: 0.2
    - Broadly European: 8.3

    The statistics below are more accurate, because they include many more samples (from all parts of Veneto, I guess). They have been done some months ago by a 23andMe user from Veneto.
    Veneto (n=38), Lombardy (n=24), Tuscany (n=12) and Sicily (n=50):

    This is great! I have added the percentages. Maybe I should combine your results of Veneto with those from the pie chart? Do you know if your results are already included?
    Last edited by Maciamo; 28-03-17 at 11:10.

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    It's amazing that Greek Aegean Islands have more 'Italian' than Veneto and Friuli and almost as much as Lombardy! Could it be because of Roman and/or Venetian colonisation? I wonder if they also look more Italian than the Greek average?

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    Now we badly need data from Spain, Portugal, Ireland, Scotland, Wales and all Baltic and Slavic countries.

    I have about 10 results from France, but the regional disparities are so huge that it's useless to group Gascons with Bretons, Central French or Provençals. Gascons are genetically Spanish, while Bretons are like the British. Neither look French in the Ancestry Composition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maciamo View Post
    It's amazing that Greek Aegean Islands have more 'Italian' than Veneto and Friuli and almost as much as Lombardy! Could it be because of Roman and/or Venetian colonisation? I wonder if they also look more Italian than the Greek average?
    Aegean Islanders + Cretans and Anatolian Greeks (mostly the non-Pontic ones) score really high "italian" on 23andme. The pattern is: the bigger the MENA they show, the higher the "italian".

    If they look more "italian" (the Aegean Islanders), I would not say so. Here are 3 famous Aegeans:

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    This is an artifact of 23andme's terrible Balkan cluster. It includes Greece (a sample from Thessaly, plus their Greek members, which is a small number of people) and Malta, but also all the more northern Balkan states as well. The "Italian" percentage for people from the mainland and from the islands is just the "excess" Italian like ancestry over and above the average already present in the Balkan cluster.

    Islanders, having less of the northern Balkans type ancestry will obviously get more "extra" Italian like ancestry. It's as simple as that, I think.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    Islanders, having less of the northern Balkans type ancestry will obviously get more "extra" Italian like ancestry. It's as simple as that, I think.
    Yes.
    And they obviously have more "italian-like" ancestry, because 23andme clients from Italy, are usually American-Italians with roots from the South/Sicily.

    This Balkan cluster is really problematic there.

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    All my recent ancestry is norman My 4 grandparents are from Lower Normandy, Cotentin pensinsula.

    Northwestern European 90.3%
    British & Irish 41.6%
    French & German 14.3%
    Scandinavian 1.0%
    Finnish < 0.1%


    Broadly Northwestern European 33.3%


    Southern European 4.4%
    Iberian 1.7%
    Broadly Southern European 2.8%
    Eastern European 1.0%
    Ashkenazi Jewish 0.3%
    Broadly European 3.8%


    Sub-Saharan African 0.1%

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    Looking at some numbers, it seems the highest % of a certain pop tend to be associated to phasing, when results generally* increase in resolution. In my list of 12, for example, the highest Italian % (47.4), Balkan (7.6), Iberian (4.9), British (8.3), Scandinavian (0.8) and Eastern E. (1.7) are from people who had close relatives tested too.
    *I say "generally" because after phasing one of the mentioned matches had her S.E. dropped off 0.2, NW.E. dropped off 3.6 and Broadly European increased 3.6 in the speculative mode, oddly. I presume the precision estimated by 23andMe (see Testing & Validation in https://www.23andme.com/ancestry-composition-guide/) refers to the conservative threashold, otherwise, those results couldn't have changed that way, in theory (precision of 0.95 for NW.E.). However, I haven't recorded her sub-regional results before phasing, then I don't know if these results, particularly, increased in resolution or not. Possibly they did.

    Quote Originally Posted by Maciamo View Post
    This is great! I have added the percentages. Maybe I should combine your results of Veneto with those from the pie chart? Do you know if your results are already included?
    I'm sure one is there: himself, heheh. I think at least two of my matches are there, but let's wait. I just asked him.
    He told me he has more samples right now, however, the averages haven't changed significantly since the first (those I posted) have been done months ago.

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    European 100.0%

    Northwestern European 82.9%
    French & German 30.8%
    British & Irish 24.2%
    Scandinavian 0.3%
    Finnish 0.0%
    Broadly Northwestern European 27.5%

    Southern European 11.5%
    Italian 1.4%
    Iberian 1.2%
    Balkan 0.1%
    Sardinian 0.0%
    Broadly Southern European 8.7%

    Eastern European 0.0%

    Ashkenazi Jewish 0.0%

    Broadly European 5.6%

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    70% speculative :
    Eric WOLFF

    100%


    European 99.8%


    Northwestern European 66.9%

    French & German 10.5%

    British & Irish 4.1%

    Broadly Northwestern European 52.3%

    Southern European 3.3%

    Broadly Southern European 3.3%

    Broadly European 29.6%


    Unassigned 0.2%

    90% conservative :
    Eric WOLFF

    100%


    European 96.8%


    Northwestern European 28.0%

    French & German 0.2%

    Broadly Northwestern European 27.8%

    Broadly European 68.8%


    Unassigned 3.2%


    50% speculative :
    Eric WOLFF

    100%


    European 100.0%


    Northwestern European 82.9%

    French & German 30.8%

    British & Irish 24.2%

    Scandinavian 0.3%

    Broadly Northwestern European 27.5%

    Southern European 11.5%

    Italian 1.4%

    Iberian 1.2%

    Balkan 0.1%

    Broadly Southern European 8.7%

    Broadly European 5.6%


    Unassigned < 0.1%















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    Quote Originally Posted by WOLFF éric View Post
    Eric WOLFF


    European 100.0%

    Northwestern European 82.9%
    French & German 30.8%
    British & Irish 24.2%
    Scandinavian 0.3%
    Finnish 0.0%
    Broadly Northwestern European 27.5%

    Southern European 11.5%
    Italian 1.4%
    Iberian 1.2%
    Balkan 0.1%
    Sardinian 0.0%
    Broadly Southern European 8.7%

    Eastern European 0.0%

    Ashkenazi Jewish 0.0%

    Broadly European 5.6%
    How would you describe your ancestry? All Baden-W√ľrttenberg or also Alsace and other regions?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Regio X View Post
    My own statistics for Venetians (roots in TV and BL provinces mainly) based on 12 samples to which I have access, including 2 (my father and I) with a little "touch" of MN and 1 with a little touch of UD. :) The scores don't total 100% because of the rounding down, and I discarded those below 0,1%.

    - Southern European: 55,3
    italian: 31.0
    balkan: 4.1
    iberian: 1.3
    sardinian: 0.1
    broadly S.E.: 18.3
    - Northwestern European: 36.2
    french & german: 15.5
    british & irish: 2.7

    scandinavian: 0.1
    broadly NW.E.: 18.2
    - Eastern European: 0.2
    - Ashkenazi Jewish: 0.2
    - Broadly European: 8.0


    My mother presents the highest Balkan % (7.6) from the list, followed by my father (7.1). I have the highest Iberian % (4.9) and Scandinavian % (0.8).

    Excluding those 3:

    - Southern European: 52,8
    italian: 30.0
    balkan: 3.5
    iberian: 1.1
    sardinian: 0.2
    broadly S.E.: 17.3
    - Northwestern European: 38.4
    french & german: 17.7
    british & irish: 1.5
    scandinavian: 0.1
    broadly NW.E.: 19.0
    - Ashkenazi Jewish: 0.2
    - Broadly European: 8.3

    The statistics below are more accurate, because they include many more samples (from all parts of Veneto, I guess). They have been done some months ago by a 23andMe user from Veneto.
    Veneto (n=38), Lombardy (n=24), Tuscany (n=12) and Sicily (n=50):
    Thanks
    Was this data from the person in 23andme who has the surname Dall`Ava ?
    If so, He is from Vazzola

    In regards to discarding, ................I discarded all mine from my father, wife, sons and myself who have 0.1 to 0.4% of Mongolian
    also discarded 0.2% of North-East Africa from my mother. ..............if you need these small fractions, let me know

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