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    Europe is racist

    Europeans use to think that their countries are democratic, tolerant, advanced, humanist and so on. The reality is that the big ones in Europe keep their neocolonialism through corrupting governments in underdeveloped countries, and common Europeans don't care much about the semi-slavist companies mading their shoes or wear in such countries.

    That's so normal that few people cares about neocolonialism or modern slaving, but a thing that could prompt such racism is the therm itself, "Europe" / "Europeans", because it conceals in some degree a racist use. Many Europeans see with comptent other non-European races or countries, which is a kind of mild racism ("we" are socialy-politicaly more advanced, "you" are underdeveloped), but this case is more noticeable nowadays as we know that Europe is not more than a subcontinent of Eurasia as the Indian; keeping the geographic distinctiviness is what allows unconscious (and mainstream) racism. What is now allowing Europe to keep its continental value other than such push for distinctiviness? Only the white skin is the reason as religion is no more a difference with à-la-carte-religion in America or atheist China, moral values or judaeochristianism is the same case, and if it's history... in whichever page of the European history you will find a war between Europeans.

    Just an example of such unconscious racism is to look at Eurovision: only European / white countries come to the contest (allowing also "white" colonies as Israel or Australia to come), but keeps away Qatar, China or Khazakstan.
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    Who's more "racist" than East Asians? Maybe Africans are racist too. Some African Americans certainly are....

    There's more than enough of this everywhere. You can't single out one area of the world.


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    Quote Originally Posted by berun View Post
    Europeans use to think that their countries are democratic, tolerant, advanced, humanist and so on. The reality is that the big ones in Europe keep their neocolonialism through corrupting governments in underdeveloped countries, and common Europeans don't care much about the semi-slavist companies mading their shoes or wear in such countries.

    That's so normal that few people cares about neocolonialism or modern slaving, but a thing that could prompt such racism is the therm itself, "Europe" / "Europeans", because it conceals in some degree a racist use. Many Europeans see with comptent other non-European races or countries, which is a kind of mild racism ("we" are socialy-politicaly more advanced, "you" are underdeveloped), but this case is more noticeable nowadays as we know that Europe is not more than a subcontinent of Eurasia as the Indian; keeping the geographic distinctiviness is what allows unconscious (and mainstream) racism. What is now allowing Europe to keep its continental value other than such push for distinctiviness? Only the white skin is the reason as religion is no more a difference with à-la-carte-religion in America or atheist China, moral values or judaeochristianism is the same case, and if it's history... in whichever page of the European history you will find a war between Europeans.

    Just an example of such unconscious racism is to look at Eurovision: only European / white countries come to the contest (allowing also "white" colonies as Israel or Australia to come), but keeps away Qatar, China or Khazakstan.
    Actually I never really understood why Eurovision includes countries like Australia that is not in Europe. Yes, Australia has European connections; namely two centuries of British colonial history. But the very representatives we have sent over – one Indigenous Australian and two Asians – is proof that our European heritage is just one strand of our diverse cultural makeup.

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    Quote Originally Posted by berun View Post
    Europeans use to think that their countries are democratic, tolerant, advanced, humanist and so on. The reality is that the big ones in Europe keep their neocolonialism through corrupting governments in underdeveloped countries, and common Europeans don't care much about the semi-slavist companies mading their shoes or wear in such countries.

    That's so normal that few people cares about neocolonialism or modern slaving, but a thing that could prompt such racism is the therm itself, "Europe" / "Europeans", because it conceals in some degree a racist use. Many Europeans see with comptent other non-European races or countries, which is a kind of mild racism ("we" are socialy-politicaly more advanced, "you" are underdeveloped), but this case is more noticeable nowadays as we know that Europe is not more than a subcontinent of Eurasia as the Indian; keeping the geographic distinctiviness is what allows unconscious (and mainstream) racism. What is now allowing Europe to keep its continental value other than such push for distinctiviness? Only the white skin is the reason as religion is no more a difference with à-la-carte-religion in America or atheist China, moral values or judaeochristianism is the same case, and if it's history... in whichever page of the European history you will find a war between Europeans.

    Just an example of such unconscious racism is to look at Eurovision: only European / white countries come to the contest (allowing also "white" colonies as Israel or Australia to come), but keeps away Qatar, China or Khazakstan.
    As soon as anybody states that men and women are not fully equal..........then that is the first point of racism ...........you need to get this fixed FIRST above anything else
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    @angela, if do you can apport some case like naming continent what in fact is not by non geographic reasons...

    @Sile, do you confuse post or poster?

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    Quote Originally Posted by berun View Post
    Europeans use to think that their countries are democratic, tolerant, advanced, humanist and so on. The reality is that the big ones in Europe keep their neocolonialism through corrupting governments in underdeveloped countries, and common Europeans don't care much about the semi-slavist companies mading their shoes or wear in such countries.

    That's so normal that few people cares about neocolonialism or modern slaving, but a thing that could prompt such racism is the therm itself, "Europe" / "Europeans", because it conceals in some degree a racist use. Many Europeans see with comptent other non-European races or countries, which is a kind of mild racism ("we" are socialy-politicaly more advanced, "you" are underdeveloped), but this case is more noticeable nowadays as we know that Europe is not more than a subcontinent of Eurasia as the Indian; keeping the geographic distinctiviness is what allows unconscious (and mainstream) racism. What is now allowing Europe to keep its continental value other than such push for distinctiviness? Only the white skin is the reason as religion is no more a difference with à-la-carte-religion in America or atheist China, moral values or judaeochristianism is the same case, and if it's history... in whichever page of the European history you will find a war between Europeans.

    Just an example of such unconscious racism is to look at Eurovision: only European / white countries come to the contest (allowing also "white" colonies as Israel or Australia to come), but keeps away Qatar, China or Khazakstan.

    Good that you outed yourself like this. Saves me the bother of ever reading your posts again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by berun View Post
    Europeans use to think that their countries are democratic, tolerant, advanced, humanist and so on. The reality is that the big ones in Europe keep their neocolonialism through corrupting governments in underdeveloped countries, and common Europeans don't care much about the semi-slavist companies mading their shoes or wear in such countries.

    That's so normal that few people cares about neocolonialism or modern slaving, but a thing that could prompt such racism is the therm itself, "Europe" / "Europeans", because it conceals in some degree a racist use. Many Europeans see with comptent other non-European races or countries, which is a kind of mild racism ("we" are socialy-politicaly more advanced, "you" are underdeveloped), but this case is more noticeable nowadays as we know that Europe is not more than a subcontinent of Eurasia as the Indian; keeping the geographic distinctiviness is what allows unconscious (and mainstream) racism. What is now allowing Europe to keep its continental value other than such push for distinctiviness? Only the white skin is the reason as religion is no more a difference with à-la-carte-religion in America or atheist China, moral values or judaeochristianism is the same case, and if it's history... in whichever page of the European history you will find a war between Europeans.

    Just an example of such unconscious racism is to look at Eurovision: only European / white countries come to the contest (allowing also "white" colonies as Israel or Australia to come), but keeps away Qatar, China or Khazakstan.
    Another victim of school liberalism!
    Europe is not racist, with the exception of few! That does not mean there has been no racism in the past. Europeans have many other commonalities rather than the skin. Through school Europeans have developed common taste for arts. Imagine if Indian music was sang in Eurovision! English military uses it in front line to annoy the enemy. So its the matter of taste not race. Israelis are basically European, that's why they participate. As you know most of them are hooked nose Polish, Russians or from Brooklyn NY. The same thing for Aussies. They are the children of English convicts, who had nothing to do with their forefathers crimes, and they should participate in Eurovision. Europe has a strong ethnic identity. Ethnicity is a lot stronger than race.

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    @DuPidh, I was not pointing out much about racism itself but more to a kind of unconscious racism, also the concept of Europe as separate continent is to my view strongly set by such kind of racism. Europe from an objective point of view is a subcontinent of Eurasia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by berun View Post
    Europeans use to think that their countries are democratic, tolerant, advanced, humanist and so on. The reality is that the big ones in Europe keep their neocolonialism through corrupting governments in underdeveloped countries, and common Europeans don't care much about the semi-slavist companies mading their shoes or wear in such countries.
    Maybe what you're describing is just economic competition not racism. I know basically nothing about global issues but from what I do it does seem "tolerant and democratic" countries today are cruel but hide their cruelty.

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    and common Europeans don't care much about the semi-slavist companies mading their shoes or wear in such countries.
    That's because the issues in the world are too complex for the average person to learn about or even understand.

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    "Europe" / "Europeans", because it conceals in some degree a racist use.
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    Europe is not more than a subcontinent of Eurasia as the Indian
    There's nothing racist about the concept of Europe. Ancient Greeks over 2,000 years ago created the concept, Imperialistic Europeans didn't. But I did read from Herdotus, I only like 10 pages, the Persians viewed Europeans and Asians(Middle East) as distinct "races"(English translations). If someone would like to, they could call Africa a peninsula of Afreuroasia. Even America could be seen as apart of Eurasia if you'd like because people from Asia continously migrated to America via Siberia.

    Maybe Europe isn't very isolated from Asia but there's plenty of reason to view it as a distinct region. The most important is Western culture and Christendom which are real things. Race and genetics aren't most important. Since the fall of the Western Roman empire European Christians stayed in contact mostly with other European Christians and developed a Western culture.

    And one could definitely

    Quote Originally Posted by berun View Post
    Many Europeans see with comptent other non-European races or countries, which is a kind of mild racism ("we" are socialy-politicaly more advanced, "you" are underdeveloped)
    That's because "Westerners" or "Europeans" are more advanced than other cultural zones/continents/races(Oh my gosh!). But I do agree that many Westerners look down on non-westerners, view them as savages, as stupid. That's wrong.

    Quote Originally Posted by berun View Post
    Just an example of such unconscious racism is to look at Eurovision: only European / white countries come to the contest (allowing also "white" colonies as Israel or Australia to come), but keeps away Qatar, China or Khazakstan.
    Don't know why'd they include non-European Israel and Australia. That is weird. But don't they include Armenia and Turkey?

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    Quote Originally Posted by berun View Post
    @angela, if do you can apport some case like naming continent what in fact is not by non geographic reasons...

    @Sile, do you confuse post or poster?
    I can't understand your statement.

    Imo, human history, no matter the continent or peninsula or nation or whatever is replete with examples of one group or another considering itself superior to another group and using that belief to excuse its mistreatment of other groups. It is not specific to Europeans. If you know anything about world history this should be obvious.

    Sile is making up his own definition of racism. He thinks it applies to discrimination against women, which is also unacceptable, but has nothing to do with racism. Women are not a separate race, even if you believe that races exist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    I can't understand your statement.

    Imo, human history, no matter the continent or peninsula or nation or whatever is replete with examples of one group or another considering itself superior to another group and using that belief to excuse its mistreatment of other groups. It is not specific to Europeans. If you know anything about world history this should be obvious.

    Sile is making up his own definition of racism. He thinks it applies to discrimination against women, which is also unacceptable, but has nothing to do with racism. Women are not a separate race, even if you believe that races exist.
    Under Racism, there is gender, ethnicity, colour and others

    The main and first one is Gender, without gender equality a nation has no society .

    In Australia our constitution states gender equality, there is no religion in the constitution nor language and until recently ( 50 plus years ago ) only white ethnicity.


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    I suggest you get an English dictionary and use it. You don't get to make up your own definition of English words.

    rac·ism
    ˈrāˌsizəm/
    noun

    • prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior.
      [COLOR=#878787 !important]"a program to combat racism"[/COLOR]
      synonyms: racial discrimination, racialism, racial prejudice, xenophobia, chauvinism, bigotry, casteism"Aborigines are the main victims of racism in Australia"
      • the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.
        [COLOR=#878787 !important]noun: racism[/COLOR]
        [COLOR=#878787 !important]"theories of racism"


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    Quote Originally Posted by Fire Haired14 View Post
    There's nothing racist about the concept of Europe. Ancient Greeks over 2,000 years ago created the concept, Imperialistic Europeans didn't. But I did read from Herdotus, I only like 10 pages, the Persians viewed Europeans and Asians(Middle East) as distinct "races"(English translations). If someone would like to, they could call Africa a peninsula of Afreuroasia. Even America could be seen as apart of Eurasia if you'd like because people from Asia continously migrated to America via Siberia.
    Greeks didn't create the modern concept.
    Can you find a source for the bold part?

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    Perhaps Fire-Haired is referring to the treatment of the "Helots". It's not clear to me, however, that they were necessarily a different "race" from the Spartans. A conquered people were often enslaved, no matter how similar they might be to the conquered. How different were the Anglo-Saxons from the conquering Danes? They still didn't have the same rights. Go back even further...were the Anglo-Saxons a different race from the Celtic speakers of the British Isles? Look at the modern world too. Giving the Irish the vote was incredibly difficult and controversial, yet they certainly aren't a different race from the English.

    One can't judge the ancient world, in particular, by the concepts of the modern world. So far as I know in the Roman Era there was no distinction in terms of treatment for "white" slaves, versus Near Eastern slaves, or North African slaves, or the few SSA slaves. Nor was there a difference in their rights when freed. The Romans were equal opportunity slavers.

    Institutionalized racism, where one group of people are considered "eligible" for slavery and others not is a relatively recent occurrence in western history.

    You have to define your terms before you discuss these things.

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    what a ridiculous statement
    there are no more or no less racists in Europe as in any part of the world
    but refering to neocolonialism and slavery for what goes wrong outside Europe,
    I'm sorry but you're brainwashed by propaganda that you like to hear
    and I don't see a point in discussing this with you any further
    it's sad that there are people who believe all this shit

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    Quote Originally Posted by bicicleur View Post
    what a ridiculous statement
    there are no more or no less racists in Europe as in any part of the world
    but refering to neocolonialism and slavery for what goes wrong outside Europe,
    I'm sorry but you're brainwashed by propaganda that you like to hear
    and I don't see a point in discussing this with you any further
    it's sad that there are people who believe all this shit
    I gave you a thumbs up but mistakenly, as I wanted to give you a thumbs down for your comment.
    I fail to see the utility of this argument. You could at least make a rational effort…

    I do agree that Europeans are racist, including to each other – as the statements of the current president of Eurogroup have shown us (how is it possible a person holding an office of this magnitude to be such ignorant and prejudiced? The answer is I don’t know, it just really scares me).

    However, I do not tend to agree with berun. Europe is a political entity more than a geographical one. We should not deny that there is much historical, cultural, political, religious and economic elements that “European Countries” share with each other, ethnicity maybe not one of them, for them to claim a common basis from which to construct a common entity, as it is happening!

    It is sad, indeed, to see a constant backing out from a serious discussion about Europe when things are going to the shit*er. There is an obvious denial here! (Well, for some people, at least…)

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    Perhaps the tile of this thread came out too strong? It is a good thing to address racism in Europe, same as racism in Canada, China, South Africa or anywhere else. It is also worth noticing that since WW2 Europe made a big progress weeding out racism, fascism, misogyny, etc, instead embracing equality, inclusiveness, democracy, sharing and friendship between nations and ethnicities. I'm proud of today's Europe, however, there is still lots to improve. People should be able to express what hurts them in relation to injustice and maltreatment.
    Be wary of people who tend to glorify the past, underestimate the present, and demonize the future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fire Haired14 View Post
    That's because the issues in the world are too complex for the average person to learn about or even understand.
    Exactly the problem our modern world is facing. Average person, (who takes part in democracy), can't understand economy, science, law or politics well. Yet, they make vital choices electing leaders and choosing direction a country should go. No wonder the world is screwed up, lol. The only progress we have made is due to free market economy (using natural selection process), and few smart scientists and leaders who happen from time to time.
    The average person is well suited to understand dynamics of small tribes and villages, but not the modern world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    I suggest you get an English dictionary and use it. You don't get to make up your own definition of English words.

    rac·ism
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    • prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior.
      [COLOR=#878787 !important]"a program to combat racism"[/COLOR]
      synonyms: racial discrimination, racialism, racial prejudice, xenophobia, chauvinism, bigotry, casteism"Aborigines are the main victims of racism in Australia"
      • the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.
        [COLOR=#878787 !important]noun: racism[/COLOR]
        [COLOR=#878787 !important]"theories of racism"


        [/COLOR]


    The unusual way his brain works... However, I think the "seed" of racism, hypernationalism, misogyny, religious intolerance, comes from same source of tribalism. Feeling superior, sometimes frightened by, and acting disrespectful or hateful towards other group. If it is directed towards other race is called racism, towards gays is called homophobism, other ethnicity or nation is called chauvinism, etc. I think it is exactly same emotion, just addressed to a different group. Us, against them.
    Usually people with strong tribal instinct are against many groups, together with their own government, which is obviously controlled by Jews, leftists and international capital. ;)

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    For someone to argue racism has no special relation to Europeans/whites they'd have to ignore 100s of years of European imperialism/colonization which involved a lot of racism. To me it seems Angela and others might be going that route. Racism does have a special relation to Europeans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeBrok View Post
    Exactly the problem our modern world is facing. Average person, (who takes part in democracy), can't understand economy, science, law or politics well. Yet, they make vital choices electing leaders and choosing direction a country should go. No wonder the world is screwed up, lol. The only progress we have made is due to free market economy (using natural selection process), and few smart scientists and leaders who happen from time to time.
    The average person is well suited to understand dynamics of small tribes and villages, but not the modern world.
    Totally agree. But the world today is a lot better than in the past when it was less complex.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fire Haired14 View Post
    Totally agree. But the world today is a lot better than in the past when it was less complex.
    It is a paradox how we got here, with less than perfect brains. I like our modern world. I feel good, in the right place, I don't feel lost or confused. Well, if I could chose I would prefer being born few hundred years in the future, when people live very long and always look young. ;)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fire Haired14 View Post
    For someone to argue racism has no special relation to Europeans/whites they'd have to ignore 100s of years of European imperialism/colonization which involved a lot of racism. To me it seems Angela and others might be going that route. Racism does have a special relation to Europeans.
    According to this video you are very right.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zq92WMWE4_8

    It is in French:

    In summary the video talks about:

    1907
    Correlation between continents and races.
    Identification of nine different breeds


    Eighteenth century
    Four varieties of Homo sapiens.
    Carl von Linné combines skin colours with precise characteristics.

    1801
    Identification of three profiles: "Negro" is the missing link between the ape and the ideal human.

    XIXth century
    Blumenbach identifies five races. The white race is the Caucasian variety; The black race is perfectible.


    XIXth and XXth centuries.
    There are four races and the white race is the most perfect of the human races


    Then the journalist goes on to discuss how racism has evolved over time.
    Last edited by Minty; 01-04-17 at 11:09.

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