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    Lightbulb Genetics of Negritos and related groups

    The Andaman Association created by George Weber has been researching Negrito populations for over a dozen years. They used to have a website "George Weber's Lonely Islands" at www.andaman.org. It seems that they also published a book ("Lonely Islands: The Andamanese Bibliography", Andaman Association, 1999).

    The old website disappeared by the end of 2013, but it can be found in web archive:

    https://web.archive.org/web/20130520....org/index.htm

    https://web.archive.org/web/20130402...ter6/text6.htm

    https://web.archive.org/web/20130402...r47/text47.htm

    Since 2014 there is a new website but not all info from the old site has been added:

    http://www.andamans.org/

    The following groups have been classified as Negrito or Negrito-like by George Weber:

    Indian Subcontinent:

    01 Vedda
    02 Kadar, Kanikkar, Kurumbar, Palliyan, Panyan,
    00 Puliyan, and Urali
    03 Irular
    04 Yanadi
    05 Chenchu, Ho
    06 Oraon
    07 Gond
    08 Birhor
    09 Santal
    10 Naga

    Bay of Bengal:

    11 Andamanese - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andama...ous_Andamanese
    12 Nicobarese - https://web.archive.org/web/20130507...Nicophotos.htm

    Continental Southeast Asia:

    13 Moken
    14 Shompen - https://web.archive.org/web/20130605...en/Shompen.htm
    15 Yumbri
    16 Takkui
    17 Porr (Jong)
    18 Moi (Anu-chu, Jarai, or Montagnards)
    19 Senoi, Sakai (Malaysia)
    20 Semang (Malaysia) and Mani (Thailand)

    Indonesia:

    21 Niasan
    22 Mentaweians
    23 Sugganese
    24 Sumatran Kubus
    25 Lingga Kubus
    26 Bangka Kubus
    27 Belitung Kubus
    28A Alorese, Pantarese, some Timorese, etc.
    28B Kalang (extinct)
    29 Alfur, etc.
    30 Tobelorese, etc.
    31 Toradja, etc.
    32 Toala
    33 Loinang, Laki, etc.
    34 Punan

    Papua and New Guinea:

    35 Tapiro
    36 Botem
    37 pygmies of the Sepik source area
    38 pygmies of the Torricelli Mountains
    39 Ayome pygmies
    40 Kamaweka
    41 pygmies of the Gogol and Ramu river areas
    42 Normanby island pygmies
    43 population in the interior of the Gazelle peninsula (New Britain)

    The Philippines:

    44 Aeta
    45 Alangan (Mindoro)
    46 Batak (Palawan)
    47 Dumagat Negritos
    48 Ati (Panay)
    49 Ati (Negros)
    50 Mamanua (Mindanao)
    51 Tiruray, Ata, Upland Bagobo

    Australia:

    52 Bathurst and Melville islanders
    53 Barrineans (Atherton plateau or Queensland Negritos)
    54 Tasmanians

    I can add also several groups from Oceania to that list:

    Oceania:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pygmy_peoples#Oceania

    55 Palau Negritos
    56 Vanuatu Negritos - I saw a photo of a man who is 50% Vanuatu Negrito + 50% German-Canadian*

    *Unfortunately this man has not tested his DNA so far.

    Vanuatu
    During the 1900s when Vanuatu was known as New Hebrides, sizable Negrito tribes were first reported throughout northeastern Santo. It is likely that they are not limited to this region of New Hebrides. Nonetheless, there is no anthropological evidence linking Negritos to other islands of Vanuatu.[54][57]

    Fiji
    Norman Gabel mentions that rumours exist of pygmy people in the interior mountains of Viti Levu in Fiji, but explains he had no evidence of their existence.[53] E.W. Gifford reiterates Gabel's statement and claims that tribes of pygmies in the closest proximity to Fiji would most likely be found in Vanuatu.[54]
    What exactly do we know about autosomal genetics and haplogroups of these populations?

    Are any Negrito genomes available in HGDP, have any of them been uploaded to GEDmatch?

    I have previously uploaded a South-Western Australian sample to GEDmatch:

    http://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads...Australian-DNA

    I wonder how much different from that sample would Australian Negritos be?:

    52 Bathurst and Melville islanders
    53 Barrineans (Atherton plateau or Queensland Negritos)
    54 Tasmanians

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    acording to YFull the D*-D1 split is 46.5 ka, D* being old Sundaland and D1 China and Japan
    other Y-DNA in old Sundaland and Sahul is C1b and K2b for which TMRCA are later (45.4 ka and 44 ka)

    any Y-DNA older than D has gone extinct in old Sundaland and Sahul, but probably a lot of older autosomal DNA still exists and is part of present DNA of people in this part of the world

    the site gives a good overview of what happened prior to the expansions of D, C1b and K2b
    maybe in the future nuclear DNA will give some understanding about admixture events that happened during that period in the area between Africa and Sahul

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    checking further, there are quite some inacuracies in the site ..

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    Some Negrito and neighbouring samples from EGDP:

    http://eurogenes.blogspot.com.au/201...an-genome.html

    Y-DNA haplogroups:

    Gond1 - O2a2
    Ho1 - O2a2
    Santh1 - R2a
    Aeta1 - S3a1
    Aeta2 - S3a1
    Aeta3 - C7b1
    Agta2 - O1b
    Agta1 - P2
    Agta3 - O1a
    Bajo2 - C2a1a
    Bajo17 - S1
    Bajo19 - C2
    Bajo21 - O3i
    Batak1 - O1c
    Batak2 - O1c
    Batak3 - O3i

    Dusun10
    Dusun7 - O2a2
    Dusun5
    Dusun14
    Dusun12 - O2a2
    Dusun11
    Dusun8 - C9
    Dusun4
    Igorot6
    Igrt1 - O3e
    Igorot5
    Igorot3
    Igorot4
    Igrt2
    Igrt3
    Igrt4
    Lebb1 - O2a2
    Lebb2 - S2
    Lebb3 - C7a
    Lebb4 - C7a
    Murut19 - Q2c
    Murut13 - O1c

    Murut11
    Murut4
    Murut3 - C7b1
    Murut20
    Murut6 - O1c
    Murut5 - C7b1

    Quote Originally Posted by bicicleur View Post
    checking further, there are quite some inacuracies in the site ..
    Any examples?

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    Idaltu is not considered modern human, neither pré-modern human, but a side branch
    Neanderthals didn't exist till 24 ka, they went extinct 40 ka
    stuff like that

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    Is not "negrito" a term reserved to a specia type of pop? This list of pops above is very impressive and seems a medley of diverse ones with diverse stories, does it not seem? (I confess I'm not knowldeged on the very matter)

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    Any Vedda autosomal DNA samples have been published?

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