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    Quote Originally Posted by srdceleva View Post
    Of course IBD sharing is the true test of genetic relation. Admixture comparison is interesting as it often points to shared ancestry but not always and not recent even. If you took two half brothers one who was full German and the other who was half German half south African(black). On a PCA plot based on autosomal results they will be light years apart, yet they are more closely related to each other than 99.99 % of the world's population. I constantly try to explain this to people.
    Technically half of their DNA will be related as brothers, but the other half will be a world away. This person will have one strand of DNA similar (not identical) to his brother, the other one way different. So, although brothers they will have on average 50% identical genome on one strand, one side of double helix, or 25% of full DNA, and less if they had different fathers.
    So sure, they are half brothers, from IBD we can conclude they share one parent, but for the whole DNA they are very different, like half a world away.
    Be wary of people who tend to glorify the past, underestimate the present, and demonize the future.

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    a lot of posts off topic! LOL - when discussions keep on without accord and without no more argument, the best to do is to stop when challengers are still alive - war, even by words, is so bad -
    let's take it easy and have a glass of fresh drink!
    &: Angela is very pretty on her picture - (re-LOL)

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    Quote Originally Posted by MOESAN View Post
    a lot of posts off topic! LOL - when discussions keep on without accord and without no more argument, the best to do is to stop when challengers are still alive - war, even by words, is so bad -
    let's take it easy and have a glass of fresh drink!
    &: Angela is very pretty on her picture - (re-LOL)
    Thank you my gallant Moesan, but if you mean the picture of Minerva I posted in this thread, I could do without the over-turned brass cups over the breasts. Not a good look. As for the rest, it's fine.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    Thank you my gallant Moesan, but if you mean the picture of Minerva I posted in this thread, I could do without the over-turned brass cups over the breasts. Not a good look. As for the rest, it's fine.
    I think he's referring to your avatar. It's very attractive in my opinion, and meshes with your posts perfectly. It's pleasant to look at.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeBrok View Post
    , but for the whole DNA they are very different, like half a world away.
    The key word is "like" but it's not the reality. On a PCA plot it looks like I cluster with Bohemians and some more eastern type east germans. Yet I have zero ancestry from those people. Im just pointing out the problem of only looking at admixutre.

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    Quote Originally Posted by srdceleva View Post
    The key word is "like" but it's not the reality. On a PCA plot it looks like I cluster with Bohemians and some more eastern type east germans. Yet I have zero ancestry from those people. Im just pointing out the problem of only looking at admixutre.
    You did have common ancestry with these people, the last one as recent as Slavic Expansion. Just because you can't find these on written records, it doesn't mean that ancestry doesn't exist. All west Slavs cluster very close together, thanks to common ancestry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trdbr1234 View Post

    You really have a mental problem.
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    -She has shown that she has a intolerable phobia of Albanians.
    -She takes part and tolerates racism of other members towards Albanians.
    -She has offended Albanians as a group on numerous occasions.
    -She denies the ethnic cleansing and forced assimilation of Albanians in Greece.
    -She denies the existence of Albanian communities in Greece.
    -She refuses to acknowledge any academic reference of Albanian in Greece.
    -She bans any member that raises these issues on relevant threads.


    Sadly, I has to say that she was right. You have a complete lack of objectivity combine with bad judgment and bad temper, so I'm expecting another ban coming soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeBrok View Post
    Sadly, I has to say that she was right. You have a complete lack of objectivity combine with bad judgment and bad temper, so I'm expecting another ban coming soon.
    And what ware the reasons for deleting my comment LeBrok? Which rules did it break? Why do you quote my comment partially and out of context?

    I completely disagree with you. I don't think this forum allows objectivity. I do not have a temper and have never been accused of having bad judgement.

    I do however have quite an elaborate education and quite a successful career.

    At least now we know this place is a farce.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeBrok View Post
    You did have common ancestry with these people, the last one as recent as Slavic Expansion. Just because you can't find these on written records, it doesn't mean that ancestry doesn't exist. All west Slavs cluster very close together, thanks to common ancestry.
    Yes but I mean I don't have any Czech or east German ancestors just some shared ancestry with them. Anyways I think you get my point, admixture calculators are good to a point but further analysis of the genome is required to really determine ancestry and relation to other populations (Y-dna/mt-dna, IBD etc.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by srdceleva View Post
    Yes but I mean I don't have any Czech or east German ancestors just some shared ancestry with them. Anyways I think you get my point, admixture calculators are good to a point but further analysis of the genome is required to really determine ancestry and relation to other populations (Y-dna/mt-dna, IBD etc.)
    You have, but it goes many more generations back. Further than you can track by written records.
    If it happens that we had such written records, from "pagan churches" going back to year 500-700 CE, you could find name "Mishko Silny" as your great x 50 grandfather (or grandmother) who had many great grandkids, from which some ended up in Slovakia some in East Germany for example.

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    2 out of 2 members found this post helpful.
    If you're going to delete posts from this thread just delete the whole thread

    I like Angela, a great person, and a great moderator, but still a person, she makes mistakes, as we do, and I believe she did in the case of Boreas. he posted something on the Balkans being termed near east, his stupid opinion, but still an opinion, she interpreted that differently and attacked, the guy wasn't a saint so he attacked back, should we blame him ?

    If anyone makes a mistake we should advise him to correct it, any criticism should be constructive, and no insults allowed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IronSide View Post
    If you're going to delete posts from this thread just delete the whole thread

    I like Angela, a great person, and a great moderator, but still a person, she makes mistakes, as we do, and I believe she did in the case of Boreas. he posted something on the Balkans being termed near east, his stupid opinion, but still an opinion, she interpreted that differently and attacked, the guy wasn't a saint so he attacked back, should we blame him ?

    If anyone makes a mistake we should advise him to correct it, any criticism should be constructive, and no insults allowed.
    I second that notion, it might be time to start something constructive, with all this Balkan arguments/drama going around I really think us Western Europeans are noticing content that were not taught in school. It might be a good idea to play 3rd party, and to learn the history of the cyber fight. Perhaps; being careful not to start fights, even create a middle ground.

    Idk, what do you think Mods?

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    I think the title of this thread is pretty heavy:
    Racism and Propaganda at Eupedia : Angela

    One thing is to request for better moderation and to provide criticism,
    but yet another thing is to label by name an individual as racist.


    Probably the title has to be rephrased in a more acceptable manner, for the thread to be working properly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bergin View Post
    I think the title of this thread is pretty heavy:
    Racism and Propaganda at Eupedia : Angela

    One thing is to request for better moderation and to provide criticism,
    but yet another thing is to label by name an individual as racist.


    Probably the title has to be rephrased in a more acceptable manner, for the thread to be working properly.
    You're right, the title should be changed, Angela isn't a racist.

    We should change it from an anti-Angela thread into a general place for requesting better moderation and providing criticism, constructively and without insults.

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    1 out of 1 members found this post helpful.
    I think I've given members ample opportunity to express their opinions as to the absurd charge that I am a racist against Albanians and spread propaganda about them.

    As to Boreas, there is no excuse for posting pms which by their nature are meant to be private discussions. In retrospect I probably should have left them as I believe they demonstrated my civility to him and my attempt to rationally explain that I had not intended to attack him personally. His rather hysterical response to a single infraction and our civil exchange was, in my opinion, the product of his inability to deal with the nuances of the English language and his overwrought and emotional reaction to being reprimanded. It was unfortunate, as I thought he provided a needed perspective here, but there it is.

    The thread will now be closed. Anyone who in the future has questions about general moderation rules can post a new thread. Anyone wishing clarification about his or her infractions can civilly request explanations via pm.

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