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Are German Jews part European?just curious
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Are German Jews part European?just curious
It says 57% and more then South Italian which is 52%
When I look at the numbers in HarappaWorld, this makes sense. This is the only place that makes perfect sense. South Italy isn't a bad fit either. So, they were heavily admixed in Italy and then slightly in Northern Europe.I think it's best to only rely on the academic analyses, which postulate anywhere from 40-60% admixture from "European" sources. The complications arise because of the overlap between "Europeans" and some Near Easterners dating all the way back to the Neolithic.
Davef linked to one good discussion here. There are others. Just use the search engine.
As for the source of the admixture, no one really knows except that Eastern Europeans had a very small impact on the total Ashkenazi genome, somewhere quite a bit less than 10% (proved by IBD analysis).
We don't even really know whether the bulk of the admixture took place in the Near East itself or in Europe.
Another thing that we do know, despite all the hypothesis that the Ashkenazim formed as a result of mostly male Jews admixing with Italian women from somewhere in central/north Italy in the early Medieval period, there is no significant IBD sharing with the so far tested Italian reference populations.
When I look at the numbers in HarappaWorld, this makes sense. This is the only place that makes perfect sense. South Italy isn't a bad fit either. So, they were heavily admixed in Italy and then slightly in Northern Europe.
What if Italian mix is very ancient, not middle ages but Roman Empire around year 0. East European connection is much recent, last 500 till pretty much now.I know it fits in a lot of ways, in terms of mtDna as well, but then why is there no IBD sharing? We find the IBD sharing with Poles/Russians, but not with any of the tested Italian groups, and it's not too far in the past for such an analysis. We now have samples from Toscana and from three places in northern Italy, and samples from Calabria, Apulia and Sicilia as well, and still nothing. I don't know where the group could be hiding.
Greeks have Med admixture too low to pull "the trick". One thing though. We don't have ancient Jews genome yet to know how they looked like before mixing with Europeans. I'm assuming they not way different than modern Palestinians, who I'm assuming lived around the area for last 2,000 years.I don't know if a comparison has been made with Greek Islanders. Maybe they're a possibility.
What if Italian mix is very ancient, not middle ages but Roman Empire around year 0. East European connection is much recent, last 500 till pretty much now.
Greeks have Med admixture too low to pull "the trick". One thing though. We don't have ancient Jews genome yet to know how they looked like before mixing with Europeans. I'm assuming they not way different than modern Palestinians, who I'm assuming lived around the area for last 2,000 years.
When I mixed Greek Islanders and Mainlanders to get an average Greek, it looked the closest to South Italians.I know it fits in a lot of ways, in terms of mtDna as well, but then why is there no IBD sharing? We find the IBD sharing with Poles/Russians, but not with any of the tested Italian groups, and it's not too far in the past for such an analysis. We now have samples from Toscana and from three places in northern Italy, and samples from Calabria, Apulia and Sicilia as well, and still nothing. I don't know where the group could be hiding.
I don't know if a comparison has been made with Greek Islanders. Maybe they're a possibility.
About 2% that's what's left from one ancestor who lived 5-6 generations ago. Welcome to Eupedia kristen.Hi Eupediers,
I recently received my Ancestry DNA results, which included a low percentage (2%) European Jewish. I uploaded my results to GedMatch for more analysis, and learned that I have 6% East Med. My background is North Dutch (Netherlands) on my father's side and Danish on my mother's - they met in Canada, where I live. The East Med levels in those reference populations is typically very low, less than a percent. I have very little Red Sea and typical West Med for northern Europe, about 11%. My West Asia is a few percent lower than the usual for my known ethnic background. It seems to me that relatively recent Jewish ancestry of a single ancestor or two does make sense with my numbers. Any thoughts?
That is interesting that you discovered you have Jewish heritage. I have a good friend who lives in Boston who recently discovered he was Jewish. He had no idea and originally thought he was Italian from Tuscany. He even has an Italian name Giovanni. (his last name is removed, out of respect for him. But is also Italian. Interesting, right?)Hi Eupediers,
I recently received my Ancestry DNA results, which included a low percentage (2%) European Jewish. I uploaded my results to GedMatch for more analysis, and learned that I have 6% East Med. My background is North Dutch (Netherlands) on my father's side and Danish on my mother's - they met in Canada, where I live. The East Med levels in those reference populations is typically very low, less than a percent. I have very little Red Sea and typical West Med for northern Europe, about 11%. My West Asia is a few percent lower than the usual for my known ethnic background. It seems to me that relatively recent Jewish ancestry of a single ancestor or two does make sense with my numbers. Any thoughts?
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