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    Where did your ancestors live 15,000 and 4,500 years ago...Eurogenes K36

    If you want to know the genetic makeup of your ancestors 15,000 years ago and 4,500 years ago based on the Eurogenes K36 calculator access this site:

    http://gen3553.pagesperso-orange.fr/ADN/K36expe3.htm

    My results for 15,000 years ago:

    Hunter Gatherer N&E 29pc
    Hunter Gatherer S 20pc
    Anatolia 38pc
    Caucasus&Zagros 6pc
    Levant&Arabia 6pc

    My results for 4,500years ago:

    European Farmer 34pc
    Indo-European Expansion 30pc
    Anatolian Copper Age 29pc
    Levant&Arabia 5pc
    North Africa 1pc
    Last edited by Vallicanus; 14-05-17 at 20:11.

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    Me

    15.000

    Anatolia 31
    HG: North&East 23
    Caucaus&Zagros 23
    Levant&Arabia 11
    Siberia 5
    HG: South 3

    4.500

    Anatolia 37
    Indo-European Expansion 24
    Levant/Arabia 12
    Iran 9
    Siberia 5
    European Farmer 5
    Asia 2
    North Africa 2
    Local European HG 2
    India 1

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    Your ancestors 15,000 years ago:

    North and East - 50
    South - 7
    Anatolia - 31
    Caucasus & Zagros - 7
    Levant/Arabia - 5


    Your ancestors 4,500 years ago:

    Local European HG - 4
    Indo-European expansion - 48
    European Farmer - 14
    Anatolian Copper age - 27
    Levant&Arabia - 6
    North-Africa - 1

    Interesting, but I think "Anatolia" and "European Farmer" should be one category and the so-called Indo-European expansion for Bulgaria should be something like 30% if I remember correctly from Haak et al.

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    My ancestors 15 000 years ago:
    HG North and East: 41
    Anatolia: 35
    Levant/Arabia: 10
    Caucasus/Zagros: 6
    HG South: 3

    4500 years ago:
    Indo European Expansion: 36
    Anatolian Copper Age: 26
    Levant & Arabia: 17
    European Farmer: 8
    Local European HG: 6
    North Africa: 2

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    My results:




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    Quote Originally Posted by Tomenable View Post
    My results:



    can you use a program to pin-point an area via the "weight" of the number shown on map ?
    looking at your 4500 y map........I would say you look like from southern Ukraine, Odessa area
    có che un pòpoło no 'l defende pi ła só łéngua el xe prónto par èser s'ciavo

    when a people no longer dares to defend its language it is ripe for slavery.

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    Ancestors 15,000 years ago

    Total Europe 71
    HG North and East 62
    Caucasus & Zagros 13
    Anatolia 12
    HG South 8
    Levant/Arabia 4



    Ancestors 4,500 years ago

    Total Europe 80
    Indo-European expansion 64
    Anatolian Copper Age 16
    European Farmer 13
    Local European HG 4
    Levant & Arabia 2
    North Africa 1

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    We are Albanian from Northern Albania. HG: R1a

    Me:

    15,000 Years Ago



    Total European:32%

    Anatolia: 54%
    HG: North and East: 21%
    HG: South: 11%
    Caucasus& Zagros: 9%
    Levant/Arabia: 4%

    4,500 Years Ago

    Anatolian: 44%
    European Farmer: 27%
    Indo European Expansion: 20%
    Levant & Arabia: 6%
    Local European HG: 1%
    North-Africa: 1%

    My Father:

    15,000 Years Ago

    Total European:28%

    Anatolia: 56%
    HG: North and East: 19%
    HG: South: 9%
    Caucasus& Zagros: 8%
    Levant/Arabia: 8%

    4,500 Years Ago

    Anatolian: 44%
    European Farmer: 21%
    Indo European Expansion: 20%
    Levant & Arabia: 13%
    North-Africa: 2%
    Local European HG: 1%

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sile View Post
    can you use a program to pin-point an area via the "weight" of the number shown on map ?
    looking at your 4500 y map........I would say you look like from southern Ukraine, Odessa area


    How can you be that accurate?

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    Ancestors 15,000 years ago

    Total Europe 8
    HG North and East 7
    Caucasus & Zagros 1
    Anatolia 1
    HG South 1



    Ancestors 4,500 years ago

    Total Europe 9
    Indo-European expansion 7
    Anatolian Copper Age 2
    European Farmer 2
    Local European HG 2

    Looking at the numbers above me, my numbers seem unrealistically low. Probably try again tomorrow to see if that helps. :/ Still, the calculator seems promising :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Twilight View Post
    Ancestors 15,000 years ago

    Total Europe 8
    HG North and East 7
    Caucasus & Zagros 1
    Anatolia 1
    HG South 1



    Ancestors 4,500 years ago

    Total Europe 9
    Indo-European expansion 7
    Anatolian Copper Age 2
    European Farmer 2
    Local European HG 2

    Looking at the numbers above me, my numbers seem unrealistically low. Probably try again tomorrow to see if that helps. :/ Still, the calculator seems promising :)
    So you're 8-9 percent european according to this calculator.....it seems promising in that it can improve...lol

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    15K

    Europe total: 34

    HG South: 8
    HG North/East: 26

    Anatolian: 38
    African: 0
    Arabia: 14
    Zagros: 13
    Asia: 0
    Siberia: 0

    4K

    European total: 40

    Euro Farmer: 12
    Local HG: 0
    Indo European: 27

    North Africa: 1
    Africa: 0
    Anatolia: 39
    Arabia: 17
    Iran: 3
    Asia: 0
    India: 0
    Siberia: 0

    Im surprised that I have no native European HG (4K), Low Euro Farmer (4k), and low HG south (15K).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vallicanus View Post
    [/B]How can you be that accurate?
    I am not accurate, just a guess based on weight of the numbers i have for myself

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sile View Post
    Odessa
    Talking about Odesa region. It hosts only descendants of recent migrations from other regions of the country. It has no real scientific value to even test them as there are no old settlements in the region.

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    Very helpful calculator, it reminded me of my DNALand and MyOrigins results.

    I used to be confused by them since they were nothing like my results from 23andMe, AncestryDna or LivingDna(which would all give me 95~ percent North/East european ancestry), but it seems the others were just testing deeper ancestry.

    Your ancestors 15,000 years ago
    Total Europe: 83
    HG: North and East: 67
    HG: South: 16
    Anatolia: 13
    Caucasus & Zagros: 4


    Your ancestors 4,500 years ago:
    Indo-European expansion:67
    European Farmer: 27
    Local European HG: 1
    Anatolian Copper age: 4

    DNALand:
    West Eurasian 100% Northwest European 60%
    Balkan 21%
    Northeast European 9.6% North Slavic 5%
    Finnish 4.7%
    Southwestern European 8%
    Ambiguous 1.2%

    DNALand gives me 70 percent Northwest/east European, compare that to 67 percent North and East Hunter gatherer and Indo European expansion.

    I also received 21 percent Balkan from them which is probably the Anatolian, Zagros and a little bit of HG south this test gives me. The rest of the HG south probably corresponds to my 8 percent southwest European given by DNAland.

    Altogether that would make me 29 percent Southwest European and Balkan which matches nicely with the European farmer ancestry given here.

    MyOrigins also gives me 14 percent balkan ancestry which matches nicely with the 13 percent Anatolian(essentially EEF) that this calculator suggests I have. Beautiful, the tests are much clearer now, thank you for sharing this Vallicanus.



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    My results for 15,000 years ago:

    Hunter Gatherer N&E: 76%
    Hunter Gatherer S: 17%
    Anatolia: 7%

    My results for 4,500 years ago:

    IE Expansion: 74%
    European Farmer: 24%
    Local European HG: 2%

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    15,000 years ago

    HG North and East 75
    Caucasus & Zagros 14
    Anatolia 6
    HG South 4
    Levant/Arabia 1

    4500 years ago


    Indo-European expansion 32
    Anatolian Copper Age 31
    European Farmer 28
    Local European HG 7
    Levant & Arabia 1
    North Africa 1

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    Attachment 8770

    Mine are all single digits or 0.

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    I get the result "NaN" for all regions. That might be a kind of error - however, the numbers from the K36-test are correct. What might be the problem?

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    Did anyone else get single digits everywhere? I reentered my K36 just to make sure it wasn't an error on my part and it's exactly the same.
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    My father's

    15kya:

    Euro - 86

    HG NE - 71
    HG S - 15
    Anatolia - 9
    Caucus - 4

    4500 kya:

    Europe - 96%

    IE xpand - 72
    Euro farm - 22
    local HG - 2
    Anatolian - 4

    Any coincidence the IE expansion and NE HG are so close?

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    15.000 years ago
    Total Europe: 45

    HG North and East: 28
    HG South: 18
    Anatolia: 36
    Caucasus & Zagros: 10
    Levant & Arabia: 9

    4.500 years ago
    Total Europe: 59

    European Farmer: 31
    Indo-European Expansion: 28
    Anatolian Copper Age: 29
    Levant & Arabia: 11
    North-Africa: 2

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stuvanè View Post
    15.000 years ago
    Total Europe: 45

    HG North and East: 28
    HG South: 18
    Anatolia: 36
    Caucasus & Zagros: 10
    Levant & Arabia: 9

    4.500 years ago
    Total Europe: 59

    European Farmer: 31
    Indo-European Expansion: 28
    Anatolian Copper Age: 29
    Levant & Arabia: 11
    North-Africa: 2
    Interestingly South Europeans show around 30 percent Anatolian Copper. This is about what I was getting from modeling Italians in Harappa World. It points to huge migration during Bronze Age from Anatolia into Balkans and Italy. I think, at the beginning, none IE farmers were pushed out of Anatolia by IE invaders into Balkans and Italy. And later at the end of Bronze Age IE tribes invaded Balkans from Anatolia. Perhaps, a variety of Greek tribes.
    Be wary of people who tend to glorify the past, underestimate the present, and demonize the future.

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    I often wonder if some myths about the greek-trojan wars could be the legendary reflection of massive transfers of peoples from the Anatolian regions (and / or the East Aegean) towards West.

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