Early Medieval Slavic DNA (years 600-900 AD)

**Tomenable** · 09-10-17, 19:01

We have another Early Medieval Slavic sample:

Sunghir6 (1040-1220 AD) - GEDmatch kit T005824

This one is from the Grand Duchy of Vladimir.

His Y-DNA haplogroup was I2a1b2a1a1a1a3-A16681.

Eurogenes K36:

Population
Amerindian -
Arabian -
Armenian -
Basque 1.69
Central_African -
Central_Euro 8.12
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 7.02
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro 23.49
East_Med -
Eastern_Euro 22.27
Fennoscandian 6.56
French 8.82
Iberian 0.91
Indo-Chinese -
Italian -
Malayan -
Near_Eastern -
North_African -
North_Atlantic 7.48
North_Caucasian 0.49
North_Sea 9.40
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian -
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural 0.86
West_African -
West_Caucasian -
West_Med 2.89

Eurogenes K13:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 46.99
2 North_Atlantic 27.29
3 West_Med 12.79
4 East_Med 5.08
5 West_Asian 4.98
6 Siberian 1.22
7 Amerindian 1.17
8 Oceanian 0.46
9 Red_Sea 0.01
10 Northeast_African 0.01

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Ukrainian 3.62
2 Polish 4.33
3 Estonian_Polish 4.6
4 Russian_Smolensk 4.72
5 Southwest_Russian 4.9
6 Ukrainian_Lviv 5.39
7 Belorussian 5.9
8 Ukrainian_Belgorod 5.92
9 South_Polish 5.99
10 Kargopol_Russian 8.67
11 Lithuanian 8.82
12 Estonian 9.47
13 Croatian 10.93
14 Erzya 11.03
15 Finnish 12.01
16 East_Finnish 12.5
17 Southwest_Finnish 12.82
18 Moldavian 13.9
19 Hungarian 15.11
20 East_German 16.04

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 86.7% Lithuanian + 13.3% Sardinian @ 2.34
2 76.5% Ukrainian + 23.5% Lithuanian @ 2.53
3 93.6% Estonian_Polish + 6.4% Sardinian @ 2.58
4 60.3% Ukrainian + 39.7% Estonian_Polish @ 2.64
5 93.7% Russian_Smolensk + 6.3% Sardinian @ 2.89
6 63.6% Ukrainian + 36.4% Russian_Smolensk @ 2.94
7 71.1% Ukrainian + 28.9% Belorussian @ 2.97
8 55.9% Lithuanian + 44.1% Croatian @ 3
9 82.9% Ukrainian + 17.1% Estonian @ 3.11
10 75.7% Estonian_Polish + 24.3% Croatian @ 3.14
11 62.2% Lithuanian + 37.8% Moldavian @ 3.18
12 56.7% Estonian_Polish + 43.3% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 3.2
13 80.6% Estonian_Polish + 19.4% Moldavian @ 3.24
14 70.5% Ukrainian + 29.5% Southwest_Russian @ 3.29
15 81.3% Lithuanian + 18.7% North_Italian @ 3.32
16 65.9% Ukrainian_Lviv + 34.1% Lithuanian @ 3.32
17 91.8% Estonian_Polish + 8.2% North_Italian @ 3.33
18 75.7% Lithuanian + 24.3% Bulgarian @ 3.34
19 88.3% Ukrainian + 11.7% Erzya @ 3.34
20 67% Ukrainian + 33% Polish @ 3.36

**Tomenable** · 09-10-17, 19:11

More about Sunghir6:

http://forum.molgen.org/index.php/topic,10....html#msg393890

http://s019.radikal.ru/i635/1710/02/5bcbe7e6ee21.png

**Fire Haired14** · 09-10-17, 20:16

How many SNPs does Sunghir have?

**Tomenable** · 09-10-17, 23:25

Sungir6's K36 similarity map:

https://s6.postimg.org/5f9yexzjj/Sungir6_K36.png

Originally Posted by Fire Haired14

How many SNPs does Sunghir have?

I don't have this raw data file, but according to GEDmatch Diagnostic Utility - 828,818 SNPs.

So it is a high coverage, good quality sample.

**Tomenable** · 10-10-17, 16:51

http://science.sciencemag.org/conten..._Sikora_SM.pdf

People from FTDNA with I2a1b2a1a1a1a3-A16681:

**LeBrok** · 11-10-17, 05:39

Wow, this is the closest ancient genome to mine I've ever seen. I'm guessing we are at least 95% similar genetically. This is pretty good quality genome this Sunghir6. Our biggest difference is in uniparental DNA, but the rest is of wow similarity.

LeBrok		T005824	Sunghir6
Mine		Russia, 200 km NE from Moscow	1040-1220 AD
Run time	20.50	Run time	13.62
S-Indian	0.62	S-Indian	-
Baloch	7.47	Baloch	7.45
Caucasian	10.05	Caucasian	11.05
NE-Euro	57.28	NE-Euro	56.68
SE-Asian	0.54	SE-Asian	-
Siberian	1.22	Siberian	0.91
NE-Asian	0.35	NE-Asian	-
Papuan	-	Papuan	-
American	-	American	0.09
Beringian	0.07	Beringian	1.76
Mediterranean	21.53	Mediterranean	21.55
SW-Asian	0.86	SW-Asian	-
San	-	San	-
E-African	-	E-African	-
Pygmy	-	Pygmy	-
W-African	-	W-African	0.47

**davef** · 11-10-17, 05:43

Originally Posted by Tomenable

Sungir6's K36 similarity map:

https://s6.postimg.org/5f9yexzjj/Sungir6_K36.png

I don't have this raw data file, but according to GEDmatch Diagnostic Utility - 828,818 SNPs.

So it is a high coverage, good quality sample.

Sungir6 is quite the Polish fella

**davef** · 11-10-17, 08:58

Originally Posted by LeBrok

Wow, this is the closest ancient genome to mine I've ever seen. I'm guessing we are at least 95% similar genetically. This is pretty good quality genome this Sunghir6. Our biggest difference is in uniparental DNA, but the rest is of wow similarity.

LeBrok		T005824	Sunghir6
Mine		Russia, 200 km NE from Moscow	1040-1220 AD
Run time	20.50	Run time	13.62
S-Indian	0.62	S-Indian	-
Baloch	7.47	Baloch	7.45
Caucasian	10.05	Caucasian	11.05
NE-Euro	57.28	NE-Euro	56.68
SE-Asian	0.54	SE-Asian	-
Siberian	1.22	Siberian	0.91
NE-Asian	0.35	NE-Asian	-
Papuan	-	Papuan	-
American	-	American	0.09
Beringian	0.07	Beringian	1.76
Mediterranean	21.53	Mediterranean	21.55
SW-Asian	0.86	SW-Asian	-
San	-	San	-
E-African	-	E-African	-
Pygmy	-	Pygmy	-
W-African	-	W-African	0.47

LeBrok, are you a medieval Pole who stumbled into a time machine set course for the 21st century? ;)
Seriously, you fit Sunghir6 almost perfectly.

**srdceleva** · 15-10-17, 18:23

His MDLP K23b results place him closest to West Ukrainians, supporting the theory that slavs originated there. He's Y haplogroup I2a is also common there. A coincidence?

1European_Hunters_Gatherers49.742Caucasian29.573Eu ropean_Early_Farmers12.564Ancestral_Altaic3.865Arc tic1.306Amerindian1.05

Finished reading population data. 620 populations found.
23 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Ukrainian_West_ @ 4.266315
2 Kashub_ @ 4.837808
3 Slovak_ @ 5.131750
4 Sorb_ @ 5.636687
5 Ukrainian_Center_ @ 5.777774
6 Belarusian-East_ @ 6.334647
7 Belarusian_West_ @ 6.471552
8 Ukrainian_East_ @ 6.737667
9 Russian-West_ @ 6.972755
10 Russian_South_ @ 6.995791
11 Russian_North_ @ 7.049220
12 German_ @ 7.641067
13 Czech_ @ 7.650525
14 Russian_Meshtchyora_ @ 7.810094
15 Russian-North-West_ @ 8.031343
16 Ukrainian_ @ 8.295169
17 Don_cossack_ @ 8.441618
18 Russian-Upper-Volga_ @ 8.585110
19 Slovenian_ @ 9.493657
20 Hungarian_ @ 9.671993

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**Tomenable** · 24-10-17, 19:27

For these who claim that modern Polish R1b was brought by the German Ostsiedlung after 1250-1300 AD, rather than being indigenous to Poland, here is a surprise. Sample from Early Medieval Gniezno (the first capital city of Poland), dated to 1000-1200 AD, has positive calls for R1b:

https://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/PRJNA354503

Gniezno (1000AD-1200AD):

Gnie1 http://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/SAMN06046900
Gnie2 http://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/SAMN06046901

Y-DNA calls for one of these Gniezno samples:

L150.1/PF6274.1/S351.1 = R1b1a2
PF6274.1/L150.1/S351.1 = R1b1a2
S351.1/L150.1/PF6274.1 = R1b1a2

So we have R1b in Poland long before any German settlements.

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Summary of Y-DNA from Early Medieval Polish samples (tested so far):

ME_7, Markowice (1000-1200 AD), I1a2a2a5-Y5384
GO_1, Gniezno (1000-1200 AD), R1b1a2-L150.1
NA_13, Niemcza, (900-1000 AD), I2a1b2-L621
NA_18, Niemcza, (900-1000 AD), J2a1a-L26

I'm surprised by lack of R1a. But these are only 4 samples, only the beginning:

https://www.ncn.gov.pl/finansowanie-...cz?language=en

**LeBrok** · 25-10-17, 03:14

Well, it still could be mostly germanic haplogroups from mixing with leftovers of germanic tribes during slavic expansion. But I don't care either way. ;)

**Tomenable** · 25-10-17, 03:35

LeBrok, what do you think about Slavic results from Bronze Age Tollense?:

https://www.eupedia.com/forum/thread...l=1#post522308

I mean, the average looks Slavic-German. But they were from 2 armies. And some look 100% Danish (like WEZ83), some look 100% Slavic. Makes sense because it was probably a battle between 2 different ethnic groups, not a "civil war".

**Jaroslav_VLK** · 30-09-20, 11:05

Hi, on mytrueancesty.com i have this compliance with RISE568. Pleas do you know some calculator when include RISE568. Thank

RISE 568

Shared DNA: (Sample Quality: 3)
14 SNP chains (min. 60 SNPs) / 121.54 cM
Largest chain: 167 SNPs / 13.34 cM

Closest AncientClosest ModernSimiliar SamplesHaplogroups (NEW!)PCA AncientPCA ModernResearch Link

Your ra

**Jaroslav_VLK** · 30-09-20, 14:14

Originally Posted by Tomenable

RISE569 is kit F999954. RISE568 is not on GEDmatch yet, but I will upload it.

has it already happened?

**kub0218** · 01-07-21, 20:20

What is gedmatch kit number of early czech slav RISE568?

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