Are Central Greeks and Peloponnese Greeks clustered with Cretans/Greek Islanders?

Most common patterns tend to be: Northern Mainland Greece shifts towards Bulgaria and Southern Balkans Southern Mainland makes a gate between Northern Mainland and Greek Islands Greek Islands make a gate between Southern Mainland and Cyprus Cyprus makes a gate between Greek Islands and Anatolia/Northern Levant
 
Greek from Thessaly:


#PopulationPercent
1East_Med20.08
2Baltic16.76
3West_Med13.33
4West_Asian13.25
5Atlantic12.49
6North_Sea11.85
7Eastern_Euro6.76
8Red_Sea3.55


Finished reading population data. 207 populations found.
15 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Bulgarian @ 6.201607
2 Greek_Thessaly @ 7.703343
3 Greek @ 8.452314
4 Romanian @ 8.989216
5 Central_Greek @ 13.355317
6 Ashkenazi @ 13.375912
7 Italian_Abruzzo @ 14.126357
8 Serbian @ 14.146462
9 East_Sicilian @ 14.518414
10 Tuscan @ 15.491569
11 West_Sicilian @ 16.513288
12 South_Italian @ 17.361965
13 Moldavian @ 18.105959
14 North_Italian @ 19.502514
15 Croatian @ 20.604506
16 Hungarian @ 21.546749
17 Austrian @ 21.826361
18 Italian_Jewish @ 22.274914
19 Sephardic_Jewish @ 22.820105
20 Algerian_Jewish @ 23.602068

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Bulgarian +50% Greek_Thessaly @ 4.493837


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Central_Greek +25% Central_Greek +25% Lithuanian @ 3.223526
 
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I haven't seen any Pelopennisian results to compare to Thessalians and/or Central Grreks. I believe that there might be sections of the the peninsula that may, on average cluster north of Thessaly. Would these be outliers? I've always contended that there was a pretty significant Slavic admixture in portions of the Pelop.
 
Here are results of Greeks from samples that I got. According to this, there is not much difference between Greeks on mainland.
Europeans# of samplesS-IndianBalochCaucasianNE-EuroSE-AsianSiberianNE-AsianPapuanAmericanBeringianMediterraneanSW-AsianSanE-AfricanPygmyW-African
Greece, mainland150831250000002690000
Greece, Macedonia50831250000002590000
Greece, Peloponnese50931240000002690000
Other mainland50730260000002690000
Greece, Ionian209341800000026120000
Greek, Islands, East1309381500000023140000
Greek, island and mainland average08342000000024110000
Cyprus411044610000020170000
 
matadworf said:
I haven't seen any Pelopennisian results to compare to Thessalians and/or Central Grreks. I believe that there might be sections of the the peninsula that may, on average cluster north of Thessaly. Would these be outliers? I've always contended that there was a pretty significant Slavic admixture in portions of the Pelop.
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Peloponnesian from Korinthos

#
PopulationPercent
1East_Med25.45
2West_Med18.81
3West_Asian16.01
4North_Sea13.81
5Atlantic8.95
6Baltic8.25
7Red_Sea4.13
8Eastern_Euro3.16
9Southeast_Asian1.13


Finished reading population data. 207 populations found.
15 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Central_Greek @ 6.261033
2 Greek_Thessaly @ 7.228187
3 East_Sicilian @ 7.569451
4 Ashkenazi @ 8.438622
5 South_Italian @ 9.444893
6 Italian_Abruzzo @ 9.470657
7 Greek @ 10.700311
8 West_Sicilian @ 12.387382
9 Tuscan @ 13.703315
10 Italian_Jewish @ 13.977630
11 Sephardic_Jewish @ 15.965655
12 Algerian_Jewish @ 16.239784
13 Bulgarian @ 16.878223
14 Romanian @ 18.867550
15 Libyan_Jewish @ 19.267750
16 Tunisian_Jewish @ 19.992113
17 North_Italian @ 20.263763
18 Cyprian @ 20.644209
19 Turkish @ 22.086815
20 Serbian @ 22.834698

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Central_Greek +50% Greek_Thessaly @ 5.122398


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Central_Greek +25% Greek_Thessaly +25% Greek_Thessaly @ 5.122398
 
Ok these are K 12 averages and only Central Greeks and Thessalians were included on the spreadsheet. I was curious because the three elements considered as Nothern shifting; Baltic, West Med and Northern Atlantic were a bit higher in my profile than the Thessalian avg. and my family is full Southern mainland. I guess I would just be on the high end of the Pelop. avg. for NE or NW shifted.
 
Other Greek results

Symrna, Asia Minor
#
PopulationPercent
1East_Med33.88
2West_Med18.52
3West_Asian16.63
4North_Sea9.89
5Atlantic8.20
6Red_Sea6.60
7Baltic3.23
8Eastern_Euro2.59


Finished reading population data. 207 populations found.
15 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Italian_Jewish @ 7.405468
2 South_Italian @ 8.050717
3 Sephardic_Jewish @ 9.217436
4 Algerian_Jewish @ 9.542070
5 Central_Greek @ 9.649453
6 East_Sicilian @ 9.654523
7 Ashkenazi @ 10.559334
8 Cyprian @ 11.008551
9 Libyan_Jewish @ 11.217402
10 Tunisian_Jewish @ 11.835511
11 Italian_Abruzzo @ 13.327325
12 West_Sicilian @ 14.023601
13 Lebanese_Muslim @ 15.398743
14 Syrian @ 16.311251
15 Greek_Thessaly @ 16.428387
16 Greek @ 16.898632
17 Samaritan @ 18.113977
18 Lebanese_Christian @ 19.536530
19 Jordanian @ 19.547615
20 Turkish @ 19.612806

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Central_Greek +50% Cyprian @ 5.189705


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Central_Greek +25% Cyprian +25% Libyan_Jewish @ 4.392044

Kalymnos

#PopulationPercent
1East_Med35.87
2West_Med18.06
3West_Asian16.19
4Atlantic11.10
5Red_Sea5.52
6North_Sea5.37
7Eastern_Euro2.63
8Baltic2.57
9South_Asian2.20


Finished reading population data. 207 populations found.
15 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Sephardic_Jewish @ 6.825840
2 Italian_Jewish @ 7.090623
3 Algerian_Jewish @ 7.385592
4 South_Italian @ 8.436271
5 Cyprian @ 8.575014
6 Tunisian_Jewish @ 9.172720
7 East_Sicilian @ 11.356441
8 Central_Greek @ 11.526863
9 Libyan_Jewish @ 11.845531
10 Ashkenazi @ 12.704471
11 West_Sicilian @ 13.978880
12 Lebanese_Muslim @ 13.985982
13 Italian_Abruzzo @ 14.589229
14 Syrian @ 15.479359
15 Samaritan @ 16.617407
16 Greek @ 17.618773
17 Lebanese_Christian @ 18.073690
18 Jordanian @ 18.665810
19 Greek_Thessaly @ 19.186825
20 Turkish @ 19.215681

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Cyprian +50% South_Italian @ 3.691948


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Lebanese_Druze +25% Sardinian +25% Turkish @ 3.273368


Laconia

#PopulationPercent
1East_Med26.21
2West_Asian15.88
3West_Med14.90
4Atlantic14.39
5North_Sea11.14
6Baltic10.29
7Red_Sea4.02
8Eastern_Euro2.49


Finished reading population data. 207 populations found.
15 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Central_Greek @ 4.549251
2 Italian_Abruzzo @ 6.042953
3 East_Sicilian @ 6.116654
4 Greek @ 7.254793
5 South_Italian @ 7.736206
6 Greek_Thessaly @ 7.985965
7 Ashkenazi @ 8.031886
8 West_Sicilian @ 9.450727
9 Tuscan @ 12.085972
10 Italian_Jewish @ 13.544551
11 Sephardic_Jewish @ 14.138050
12 Bulgarian @ 14.460215
13 Algerian_Jewish @ 15.464900
14 Romanian @ 17.041328
15 Tunisian_Jewish @ 18.499628
16 North_Italian @ 19.108631
17 Libyan_Jewish @ 20.338245
18 Cyprian @ 20.408590
19 Turkish @ 21.108168
20 Serbian @ 21.480677

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Central_Greek +50% Greek @ 4.458888


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Central_Greek +25% Romanian +25% South_Italian @ 3.563117
 
Harappa World Admixture
Population
S-Indian-
Baloch7.62
Caucasian29.17
NE-Euro25.27
SE-Asian0.13
Siberian-
NE-Asian-
Papuan-
American-
Beringian0.84
Mediterranean27.28
SW-Asian9.65
San-
E-African0.05
Pygmy-
W-African. -


 
Harappa World
Population
S-Indian-
Baloch7.62
Caucasian29.17
NE-Euro25.27
SE-Asian0.13
Siberian-
NE-Asian-
Papuan-
American-
Beringian0.84
Mediterranean27.28
SW-Asian9.65
San-
E-African0.05
Pygmy-
W-African-


 
LeBrok said:
Here are results of Greeks from samples that I got. According to this, there is not much difference between Greeks on mainland.
Europeans# of samplesS-IndianBalochCaucasianNE-EuroSE-AsianSiberianNE-AsianPapuanAmericanBeringianMediterraneanSW-AsianSanE-AfricanPygmyW-African
Greece, mainland150831250000002690000
Greece, Macedonia50831250000002590000
Greece, Peloponnese50931240000002690000
Other mainland50730260000002690000
Greece, Ionian209341800000026120000
Greek, Islands, East1309381500000023140000
Greek, island and mainland average08342000000024110000
Cyprus411044610000020170000
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Can you throw in the Mycenaeans?
 
#PopulationPercent
1Caucasian29.17
2Mediterranean27.28
3NE-Euro25.27
4SW-Asian9.65
5Baloch7.62
6Beringian0.84
7SE-Asian0.13
8E-African0.05
#Population (source)Distance
1tuscan (1000genomes)5.36
2tuscan (hgdp)5.81
3tuscan (hapmap)6.46
4ashkenazi (harappa)8.69
5bulgarian (yunusbayev)11.25
6ashkenazy-jew (behar)11.57
7romanian-a (behar)11.93
8italian (hgdp)12.55
9sephardic-jew (behar)18.02
10morocco-jew (behar)18.59
11turk-aydin (hodoglugil)19.74
12spaniard (behar)23.9
13spaniard (1000genomes)24.76
14french (hgdp)25.79
15hungarian (behar)26.05
16romanian-b (behar)26.12
17turk-istanbul (hodoglugil)26.25
18cypriot (behar)27.15
19turk-kayseri (hodoglugil)27.19
20slovenian (xing)27.62

 
Harappa World
1Caucasian29.17
2Mediterranean27.28
3NE-Euro25.27
4SW-Asian9.65
5Baloch7.62
6Beringian0.84
7SE-Asian0.13
8E-African0.05

1tuscan (1000genomes)5.36
2tuscan (hgdp)5.81
3tuscan (hapmap)6.46
4ashkenazi (harappa)8.69
5bulgarian (yunusbayev)11.25
6ashkenazy-jew (behar)11.57
7romanian-a (behar)11.93
8italian (hgdp)12.55
9sephardic-jew (behar)18.02
10morocco-jew (behar)18.59
11turk-aydin (hodoglugil)19.74
12spaniard (behar)23.9
13spaniard (1000genomes)24.76
14french (hgdp)25.79
15hungarian (behar)26.05
16romanian-b (behar)26.12
17turk-istanbul (hodoglugil)26.25
18cypriot (behar)27.15
19turk-kayseri (hodoglugil)27.19
20slovenian (xing)27.62
 
Yes have tried to post Harappa results but have been unable to. Will keep trying
 
ihype02 said:
Why are there so many Jews in GedMatch results?
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There shouldn't be, imo. The reason they're there is because the creators of some calculators include them in the reference populations. They shouldn't. The Ashkenazim, in particular, are a very unique population in that they formed very recently from ancestral strains already present in Europe. Admixture matches to them are just picking up a mix of ancestry, nothing particular to them. The worst offenders of the "private" companies was FTDNA. May still be for all I know. The geniuses put the Ashkenazim as a Near Eastern reference even though they're at least 40-50% European. Madness.

If someone wants to know if they're related to Ashkenazim, they should test with 23andme. If you come up with thousands of "Jewish" cousins, you'll know. You can even figure out if it was a grandparent, great grandparent, great-great grandparent, etc.

If it tells you you have some, even under 1%, you probably do.

As for ancient Jews, when they give us the results for a couple of Jewish genomes from the days of King David or the Hasmoneans or the time of the revolt, we'll know. I gave my opinion years ago that either the Philistines brought some Southern European ancestry to Israel, or migrants to Europe picked it up there. We'll know when we get the ancient genomes. Until then, all the speculating going on is just people who like to hear themselves talk or have an agenda to push. I have no time to waste on things like that.
 
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