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Thread: 23andme and AncestryDNA, post your Southern European results

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eochaidh View Post
    My 23andMe results just came in and they got my Italian grandfather somewhat better than the others. His mother was from Frosinone and his father was from L'Aquila. My other grandparents were 2 Irish and 1 West Jersey Quaker. West Jersey was the name of the first Quaker colony in the Delaware Valley and distinct from William Penn's colony. AncestryDNA has separate Genetic Communities for them and they generally were poor people from the Pennine Mountain area of northwest England in the west Yorkshire area. My mtDNA is H4a1a4b which points to Scandinavia and Yorkshire.

    I used the Timeline section to group Italian and French & German for him.

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    Well, if you add the Italian, Broadly Southern European, and Broadly European together, you get 16%. Some of the northwest European is from him too, so, yes, it's pretty close, especially because it's one grandparent.

    The others are terrible.


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    I got my results from livingDNA, here they are:

    Europe East 60.9%
    Europe South 14.4%
    Europe North and West 9.9%
    GB & Ireland 5.8%
    Unassigned 6.2%
    Near East 2.8%
    Levant 1.7%

    Y-Haplogroup R-M269, no further subclade
    MtDNA Haplogroup U5a1b

    To say I am surprised is an understatement. I will export the autosomal and import it in the GEDMatch.

    Eurogenes V2 K15 Results:
    # Population Percent
    1 East_Med 21.22
    2 Atlantic 15.92
    3 Baltic 15.07
    4 West_Med 14.92
    5 West_Asian 13.41
    6 North_Sea 8.19
    7 Eastern_Euro 8.01
    8 Red_Sea 1.42
    9 Sub-Saharan 0.84
    10 South_Asian 0.58
    11 Oceanian 0.38
    12 Amerindian 0.03
    13 Northeast_African 0.02
    Last edited by bigsnake49; 02-07-18 at 23:07.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigsnake49 View Post
    I got my results from livingDNA: here they are:

    Europe East 60.9%
    Europe South 14.4%
    Europe North and West 9.9%
    GB & Ireland 5.8%
    Unassigned 6.2%
    Near East 2.8%
    Levant 1.7%

    Y-Haplogroup R-M269
    MtDNA Haplogroup U5a1b

    To say I am surprised is an understatement. I will export the autosomal and import it in the GEDMatch.
    Eurogenes V2 K15 Results:
    # Population Percent
    1 East_Med 21.22
    2 Atlantic 15.92
    3 Baltic 15.07
    4 West_Med 14.92
    5 West_Asian 13.41
    6 North_Sea 8.19
    7 Eastern_Euro 8.01
    8 Red_Sea 1.42
    9 Sub-Saharan 0.84
    10 South_Asian 0.58
    11 Oceanian 0.38
    12 Amerindian 0.03
    13 Northeast_African 0.02
    The results are probably typical for that company for a Greek.

    You'll be able to tell once you run the gedmatch calculators.

    I would suggest that you take 23andme. At least they'll probably figure out that you're from the Balkans somewhere.

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    Y-DNA haplogroup
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    Country: USA - Alabama



    Haplogroup J2a1h2a1 L70 [L397, L398]

    Here's mine from AncestryDNA.

    Europe West: 41
    Ireland/Scotland/Wales: 25
    Great Britain: 18
    Scandinavia: 8
    Iberian Peninsula: 4
    Europe East: 2
    Europe South: 1
    Middle East: <1

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    Eurogenes V2 K15

    North_Sea: 41.42
    Atlantic: 25.27
    West_Med: 9.76
    Baltic: 8.58
    Eastern_Euro: 7.66
    West_Asian: 4.08
    Red_Sea: 1.37

    Population Sharing

    Orcadian: 4.54
    North_Dutch: 5.86
    West_Norwegian: 5.9
    Southwest_English: 6.56
    West_Scottish: 6.74
    Norwegian: 6.85
    Southeast_English: 6.93
    Danish: 7.17
    Irish: 7.32
    Swedish: 8.62
    West_German: 8.84
    North_German: 9.58
    South_Dutch: 10.8
    North_Swedish: 12.37
    French: 13.6
    East_German: 16.3
    Southwest_Finnish: 18.94
    Hungarian: 20.45
    Spanish_Galicia: 20.86
    Austrian: 21.2



    Eurogenes K36

    Basque: 3.90
    Central_Euro: 9.40
    East_Balkan% 0.86
    East_Central_Euro: 5.55
    Eastern_Euro: 2.00
    Fennoscandian: 6.83
    French: 9.49
    Iberian: 13.03
    Italian: 6.67
    North_Atlantic: 17.45
    North_Caucasian: 3.81
    North_Sea: 20.56
    West_Med: 0.43



    MDLP K16 Modern

    Neolithic: 30.83
    NorthEastEuropean: 26.62
    Steppe: 23.11
    Caucasian: 19.23
    Last edited by leperrine; 03-07-18 at 00:47.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    The results are probably typical for that company for a Greek.

    You'll be able to tell once you run the gedmatch calculators.

    I would suggest that you take 23andme. At least they'll probably figure out that you're from the Balkans somewhere.
    My GEDMatch K15 calculator comparison:

    Population Ancestry LivingDNA
    North_Sea 6.81 8.19
    Atlantic 17.38 15.92
    Baltic 13.14 15.07
    Eastern_Euro 10.51 8.01
    West_Med 15.42 14.92
    West_Asian 14.56 13.41
    East_Med 19.46 21.22
    Red_Sea 1.02 1.42
    South_Asian 0.26 0.58
    Southeast_Asian 0.16 -
    Siberian - -
    Amerindian 0.08 -
    Oceanian 0.15 0.38
    Northeast_African 0.53 -
    Sub-Saharan 0.52 0.84

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigsnake49 View Post
    My GEDMatch K15 calculator comparison:

    Population Ancestry LivingDNA
    North_Sea 6.81 8.19
    Atlantic 17.38 15.92
    Baltic 13.14 15.07
    Eastern_Euro 10.51 8.01
    West_Med 15.42 14.92
    West_Asian 14.56 13.41
    East_Med 19.46 21.22
    Red_Sea 1.02 1.42
    South_Asian 0.26 0.58
    Southeast_Asian 0.16 -
    Siberian - -
    Amerindian 0.08 -
    Oceanian 0.15 0.38
    Northeast_African 0.53 -
    Sub-Saharan 0.52 0.84
    What does it give as your population matches, though. Just click on Oracle.

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    For V2 K15, living DNA input:

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Greek 4.54
    2 Bulgarian 6.35
    3 Greek_Thessaly 8.31
    4 Romanian 9.61
    5 Central_Greek 10.83
    6 Italian_Abruzzo 11.15
    7 Ashkenazi 12.09
    8 East_Sicilian 12.1
    9 Tuscan 12.44
    10 West_Sicilian 12.45
    11 Serbian 13.65
    12 South_Italian 13.71
    13 North_Italian 15.95
    14 Moldavian 17.72
    15 Italian_Jewish 18.42
    16 Sephardic_Jewish 18.54
    17 Algerian_Jewish 19.05
    18 Croatian 19.26
    19 Austrian 19.65
    20 Hungarian 20.73

    Depending on the calculator and the project I cluster with either Greeks or Bulgarians. Since my folks came from Eastern Thrace it does not surprise me that I sometimes cluster with Bulgarians or Romanians. Thracians and Dacians occupied that area in antiquity.

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    For comparison between living DNA and AncestryDNA:

    Single Population Sharing:
    LivingDna Ancestry
    # Population (source) Distance Population (source) Distance
    1 Greek 4.54 Greek 6.01
    2 Bulgarian 6.35 Bulgarian 7.34
    3 Greek_Thessaly 8.31 Romanian 10.25
    4 Romanian 9.61 Greek_Thessaly 10.39
    5 Central_Greek 10.83 Italian_Abruzzo 11.8
    6 Italian_Abruzzo 11.15 Central_Greek 12.03
    7 Ashkenazi 12.09 Tuscan 12.91
    8 East_Sicilian 12.1 West_Sicilian 13.07
    9 Tuscan 12.44 East_Sicilian 13.28
    10 West_Sicilian 12.45 Ashkenazi 13.3
    11 Serbian 13.65 Serbian 13.8
    12 South_Italian 13.71 South_Italian 14.9
    13 North_Italian 15.95 North_Italian 15.93
    14 Moldavian 17.72 Moldavian 17.99
    15 Italian_Jewish 18.42 Sephardic_Jewish 19.4
    16 Sephardic_Jewish 18.54 Croatian 19.4
    17 Algerian_Jewish 19.05 Italian_Jewish 19.49
    18 Croatian 19.26 Austrian 19.55
    19 Austrian 19.65 Algerian_Jewish 20.07
    20 Hungarian 20.73 Hungarian 21.24

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    As I suspected, since Greek comes out first on both tests, your "ancestry" scores must be typical for Greeks.

    That doesn't mean I think the clusters are correct, however, because I don't. That's a separate issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    As I suspected, since Greek comes out first on both tests, your "ancestry" scores must be typical for Greeks.

    That doesn't mean I think the clusters are correct, however, because I don't. That's a separate issue.
    I agree with you. Their raw data is pretty close to Ancestry's. Their reference populations are way off.

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    Y-DNA haplogroup
    G2a => L42 => YSC33
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    My European Results from 23andme:

    EUROPEAN 75.3%
    Balkan
    55.10%
    Bosnia and Herzegovina
    Italian
    10.30%
    Eastern European
    1.30%
    Ashkenazi Jewish
    0.10%
    Broadly Southern European
    6.10%
    Broadly Northwestern European
    0.10%
    Broadly European
    2.40%

    And this is from ancestry:
    Caucasus
    33%
    Europe South
    28%
    Europe East
    24%

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