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    Seems like whatever I inherited from my mother shifted my values. The highest matches being in the 70s. However my father has the really high italian component, yet surprisingly he has values over 80.


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    This is mine, does anyone know how far back K36 test is for?

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    Here is mine

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    This is mine

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    Dibran: Does your father have any known Arbëreshë ancestry?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sile View Post
    mine below


    similar to yours

    further break down by mine via the creator

    From oracle-spreadsheet

    1 IT_Veneto 5,52
    2 IT_Friuli 10,50
    3 IT_North 55,63
    4 IT_Piedmont 64,88
    5 Swiss_Italian 80,52
    6 IT_Tuscany 106,72
    7 IT_Aosta 116,92
    8 Swiss_German 189,15
    9 Albania_Montenegro 201,53
    10 Austria_Tyrol 217,31
    11 France_Central 252,58
    12 Macedonia_FYROM 279,77
    13 Albania_FYROM 391,37
    14 South_Romania 395,82
    15 Albania_North 464,27
    16 Romania_SE 468,79
    17 IT_Lazio 495,40
    18 France_NorthWest 495,91
    19 Serbian 520,65
    20 Kosovo 526,21


    BTW, north italy boxes represent Milan and south-tyrol ( trentino alto-adige )



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    My Similarity Map:





    Oracle for K36

    Amerindian 0.55
    Arabian -
    Armenian 4.47
    Basque -
    Central_African -
    Central_Euro -
    East_African -
    East_Asian -
    East_Balkan 1.27
    East_Central_Asian -
    East_Central_Euro 0.16
    East_Med -
    Eastern_Euro 2.04
    Fennoscandian 1.55
    French -
    Iberian -
    Indo-Chinese -
    Italian -
    Malayan -
    Near_Eastern -
    North_African -
    North_Atlantic 0.29
    North_Caucasian 10.13
    North_Sea -
    Northeast_African -
    Oceanian 0.79
    Omotic -
    Pygmy -
    Siberian -
    South_Asian 32.96
    South_Central_Asian 44.11
    South_Chinese -
    Volga-Ural 1.33
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    West_Caucasian 0.36

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bosnian Boss View Post
    Dibran: Does your father have any known Arbëreshë ancestry?

    Not known no. According to family oral history, we originally had the name Pershpalaj and came from Mirdita near Orosh. We have been in Diber Okshtun per record for at least 400 years. According to an Albanian oral history of the region, they claim pershpalaj descend from a Condottieri named Paul that was hired by Skanderbeg from Italy.

    On k36 european ancestry plot, he gets placed near Bari(which I understand has Arbereshe communities, correct me if I am wrong). Perhaps the condottieri was arberesh that migrated from Morea?

    Idk. What makes you think that by the way?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dibran View Post
    Not known no. According to family oral history, we originally had the name Pershpalaj and came from Mirdita near Orosh. We have been in Diber Okshtun per record for at least 400 years. According to an Albanian oral history of the region, they claim pershpalaj descend from a Condottieri named Paul that was hired by Skanderbeg from Italy.

    On k36 european ancestry plot, he gets placed near Bari(which I understand has Arbereshe communities, correct me if I am wrong). Perhaps the condottieri was arberesh that migrated from Morea?

    Idk. What makes you think that by the way?
    Just a guess on my part for your father's increased affinity with Italian populations. (A back migration?) But the condottieri story sounds plausible, especially since the Albanians' oral history tradition preserved important information needed for its clan-based society.

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    I'm from Montevideo (Uruguay). My father is 100% ethnically Italian (my grandfather was from Veneto, and my grandmother, a Uruguayan granddaughter of Italians). On the mother side, I inherited an important Native American component and a small African contribution. Its main European component is Iberian, with an Italian great-grandfather. The maps fit my story very well, although I was surprised by the important Balkan component, more important than the Iberian.

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    Meh i might aswell upload it here aswell with improved colours. Can you see I also coloured a different place aswell on the map!


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    Help

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    I would also be interested to know what time frame this k36 mapping should be referencing....

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    guess i need a few more posts before I'm allowed to upload an image.

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    Netherlands... hmmm, how odd.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Valerius View Post
    Not the best coloring skills but anyway; pretty Balkan picture for me.
    Nice chart.

    EDIT

    It has to be consistently Paleo-Balkanic,because Kosovo is definitely the reference here,they are a controversial 'state' searching for methods to strengthen their autonomy/independence.

    I have posted on the Vlach thread some maps from a study (Florin Stanciu)where Kosovo virtually contained no Slavic ancestry,that's why those genes are extremely reliable,plus,the already known E-V13 spike from out there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mwauthy View Post
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    It appears that England is more closely related to northern France, Belgium, and west/central Germany than to the Netherlands or northern Germany. The Celtic portion of the admixture seems to be more prominent than the Germanic portion.
    That makes sense since English people are a blend of Anglo-Saxon (Dutch, NW Germany) and Brythonic Celts (mixed Hallstatt and La Tène + older British Beaker L21). So English people are best described as Celto-Germanic rather than merely Germanic. That is also the case of Belgians, North French and South Germans.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maciamo View Post
    That makes sense since English people are a blend of Anglo-Saxon (Dutch, NW Germany) and Brythonic Celts (mixed Hallstatt and La Tène + older British Beaker L21). So English people are best described as Celto-Germanic rather than merely Germanic. That is also the case of Belgians, North French and South Germans.
    That's interesting, since I have high numbers in those areas with that K36 map. The K36 mapping paints a picture more to what I would expect compared to how Ancestry maps it out, at least for what would seem more likely to me for perhaps hundreds of years ago or so, although perhaps not thousands, I couldn't say.... But I'm just a noobie with this stuff.

    85-87 [Northern France and North-Western France]
    81-84 [Belgium, West Germany, South Germany, Switzerland, Center France]
    75-79 [UK/Ireland, South-East France/North-West Italy?, Netherlands, Northern Germany, Liechtenstein, Austria]

    Ancestry maps me much heavier on the UK/Ireland side, followed by Iberian Peninsula with Western Europe close behind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by big_guitar View Post
    That's interesting, since I have high numbers in those areas with that K36 map. The K36 mapping paints a picture more to what I would expect compared to how Ancestry maps it out, at least for what would seem more likely to me for perhaps hundreds of years ago or so, although perhaps not thousands, I couldn't say.... But I'm just a noobie with this stuff.

    85-87 [Northern France and North-Western France]
    81-84 [Belgium, West Germany, South Germany, Switzerland, Center France]
    75-79 [UK/Ireland, South-East France/North-West Italy?, Netherlands, Northern Germany, Liechtenstein, Austria]

    Ancestry maps me much heavier on the UK/Ireland side, followed by Iberian Peninsula with Western Europe close behind.
    The map works best for people with ancestors all from the same place. People who are a mix of various locations will get a result of some type of mixture in between. My Wallonia Belgian and French Canadian ancestors are close enough in location to make Northern France a reasonable model for my ancestry.

    My UK and Swiss friend gets his highest scores in Belgium. My UK and Southern Italian wife gets her highest scores in Switzerland. Both are a compromise in between even though neither of them have recent ancestors from those areas.

    On a side note my highest score of 94 was in Normandy, France and my highest admixture percentage with 24 Genetics was in Normandy as well. I wonder if they are doing some sort of similar analysis with their algorithm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maciamo View Post
    That makes sense since English people are a blend of Anglo-Saxon (Dutch, NW Germany) and Brythonic Celts (mixed Hallstatt and La Tène + older British Beaker L21). So English people are best described as Celto-Germanic rather than merely Germanic. That is also the case of Belgians, North French and South Germans.
    My Atlantic score which I feel has a strong Celtic component to it is almost identical to my North Sea score which I feel has a strong Germanic component to it making my scores in my opinion pretty reflective of an almost equal Celtic/Germanic mix. My scores peak in Northern France rather than Southern England, Belgium, or Southwestern Germany because of a stronger Southwestern European influence in my case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mwauthy View Post
    The map works best for people with ancestors all from the same place. People who are a mix of various locations will get a result of some type of mixture in between. My Wallonia Belgian and French Canadian ancestors are close enough in location to make Northern France a reasonable model for my ancestry.
    My UK and Swiss friend gets his highest scores in Belgium. My UK and Southern Italian wife gets her highest scores in Switzerland. Both are a compromise in between even though neither of them have recent ancestors from those areas.
    On a side note my highest score of 94 was in Normandy, France and my highest admixture percentage with 24 Genetics was in Normandy as well. I wonder if they are doing some sort of similar analysis with their algorithm.
    Is there some sort of legend that maps each of the K36-map squares to an actual city, such as your 94 reference to Normandy, or is that an approximation or more of a reference to your "24 Genetics" results? Did you find the investment in 24-Gen worth it? Do they only return something similar to the example report they show on their site? Also curious about benefits of a Y test, even though I have a fairly solid track of fathers-father going back to early 1600s. Has anyone else on the thread compared results with AncestryDNA? Thank you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mwauthy View Post
    The map works best for people with ancestors all from the same place. People who are a mix of various locations will get a result of some type of mixture in between. My Wallonia Belgian and French Canadian ancestors are close enough in location to make Northern France a reasonable model for my ancestry.

    My UK and Swiss friend gets his highest scores in Belgium. My UK and Southern Italian wife gets her highest scores in Switzerland. Both are a compromise in between even though neither of them have recent ancestors from those areas.

    On a side note my highest score of 94 was in Normandy, France and my highest admixture percentage with 24 Genetics was in Normandy as well. I wonder if they are doing some sort of similar analysis with their algorithm.
    Had some issue posting previously, hope this does not end up like a duplicate.
    Is there some legend for linking the k36-map squares to cities? Do you consider your 24-Gen investment worth it for what they provided? Anyone else on this thread use ancestrydna and compared to k36 also?

    I believe part of the problem is that Ancestry seems to bleed their bundled groupings, as they include the North Atlantic in it's Great Britain bundle, including Belgium and the Netherlands... but those areas are also under their Western Europe grouping... And then a big chunk of their Iberian Peninsula bleeds into their Western Europe grouping, which includes a huge portion of Southern France... So with all the group bleeding, it's hard to determine where the more concentrated areas would be likely... Certainly other tests with larger sampling sizes should provide better results than Ancestry yields.
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    Quote Originally Posted by big_guitar View Post
    Had some issue posting previously, hope this does not end up like a duplicate.
    Is there some legend for linking the k36-map squares to cities? Do you consider your 24-Gen investment worth it for what they provided? Anyone else on this thread use ancestrydna and compared to k36 also?

    I believe part of the problem is that Ancestry seems to bleed their bundled groupings, as they include the North Atlantic in it's Great Britain bundle, including Belgium and the Netherlands... but those areas are also under their Western Europe grouping... And then a big chunk of their Iberian Peninsula bleeds into their Western Europe grouping, which includes a huge portion of Southern France... So with all the group bleeding, it's hard to determine where the more concentrated areas would be likely... Certainly other tests with larger sampling sizes should provide better results than Ancestry yields.
    I never saw a k36 map linked to cities.

    After taking 11 admixture tests I would say there is no test that is the “best” or can tell you for sure with percentages where your ancestors are from. This is due to many snps being found in multiple regions. However, if you analyze your results with broad generalizations there is something to be learned from each test and patterns will emerge.

    Ancestry did assign me to “Saint Lawrence River French Settlers” where my mom is from and 23andMe did give me two dots for Belgium where my father is from. FTDNA gave me the highest admixture percentage of 90% for West and Central Europe. 24 Genetics gave me a large percentage for Normandy where many French Canadians came from.

    I enjoyed the 24 Genetics test because of the large number of regions including several for France. It is a bit pricey for a transfer at 49 Euros or $60. However, I felt it was worth it.

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