Tool for K36: your similarities rates on maps

That's interesting, since I have high numbers in those areas with that K36 map. The K36 mapping paints a picture more to what I would expect compared to how Ancestry maps it out, at least for what would seem more likely to me for perhaps hundreds of years ago or so, although perhaps not thousands, I couldn't say.... But I'm just a noobie with this stuff.

85-87 [Northern France and North-Western France]
81-84 [Belgium, West Germany, South Germany, Switzerland, Center France]
75-79 [UK/Ireland, South-East France/North-West Italy?, Netherlands, Northern Germany, Liechtenstein, Austria]

Ancestry maps me much heavier on the UK/Ireland side, followed by Iberian Peninsula with Western Europe close behind.

The map works best for people with ancestors all from the same place. People who are a mix of various locations will get a result of some type of mixture in between. My Wallonia Belgian and French Canadian ancestors are close enough in location to make Northern France a reasonable model for my ancestry.

My UK and Swiss friend gets his highest scores in Belgium. My UK and Southern Italian wife gets her highest scores in Switzerland. Both are a compromise in between even though neither of them have recent ancestors from those areas.

On a side note my highest score of 94 was in Normandy, France and my highest admixture percentage with 24 Genetics was in Normandy as well. I wonder if they are doing some sort of similar analysis with their algorithm.
 
That makes sense since English people are a blend of Anglo-Saxon (Dutch, NW Germany) and Brythonic Celts (mixed Hallstatt and La Tène + older British Beaker L21). So English people are best described as Celto-Germanic rather than merely Germanic. That is also the case of Belgians, North French and South Germans.
My Atlantic score which I feel has a strong Celtic component to it is almost identical to my North Sea score which I feel has a strong Germanic component to it making my scores in my opinion pretty reflective of an almost equal Celtic/Germanic mix. My scores peak in Northern France rather than Southern England, Belgium, or Southwestern Germany because of a stronger Southwestern European influence in my case.
 
The map works best for people with ancestors all from the same place. People who are a mix of various locations will get a result of some type of mixture in between. My Wallonia Belgian and French Canadian ancestors are close enough in location to make Northern France a reasonable model for my ancestry.
My UK and Swiss friend gets his highest scores in Belgium. My UK and Southern Italian wife gets her highest scores in Switzerland. Both are a compromise in between even though neither of them have recent ancestors from those areas.
On a side note my highest score of 94 was in Normandy, France and my highest admixture percentage with 24 Genetics was in Normandy as well. I wonder if they are doing some sort of similar analysis with their algorithm.
Is there some sort of legend that maps each of the K36-map squares to an actual city, such as your 94 reference to Normandy, or is that an approximation or more of a reference to your "24 Genetics" results? Did you find the investment in 24-Gen worth it? Do they only return something similar to the example report they show on their site? Also curious about benefits of a Y test, even though I have a fairly solid track of fathers-father going back to early 1600s. Has anyone else on the thread compared results with AncestryDNA? Thank you.
 
The map works best for people with ancestors all from the same place. People who are a mix of various locations will get a result of some type of mixture in between. My Wallonia Belgian and French Canadian ancestors are close enough in location to make Northern France a reasonable model for my ancestry.

My UK and Swiss friend gets his highest scores in Belgium. My UK and Southern Italian wife gets her highest scores in Switzerland. Both are a compromise in between even though neither of them have recent ancestors from those areas.

On a side note my highest score of 94 was in Normandy, France and my highest admixture percentage with 24 Genetics was in Normandy as well. I wonder if they are doing some sort of similar analysis with their algorithm.
Had some issue posting previously, hope this does not end up like a duplicate.
Is there some legend for linking the k36-map squares to cities? Do you consider your 24-Gen investment worth it for what they provided? Anyone else on this thread use ancestrydna and compared to k36 also?

I believe part of the problem is that Ancestry seems to bleed their bundled groupings, as they include the North Atlantic in it's Great Britain bundle, including Belgium and the Netherlands... but those areas are also under their Western Europe grouping... And then a big chunk of their Iberian Peninsula bleeds into their Western Europe grouping, which includes a huge portion of Southern France... So with all the group bleeding, it's hard to determine where the more concentrated areas would be likely... Certainly other tests with larger sampling sizes should provide better results than Ancestry yields.
 
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Had some issue posting previously, hope this does not end up like a duplicate.
Is there some legend for linking the k36-map squares to cities? Do you consider your 24-Gen investment worth it for what they provided? Anyone else on this thread use ancestrydna and compared to k36 also?

I believe part of the problem is that Ancestry seems to bleed their bundled groupings, as they include the North Atlantic in it's Great Britain bundle, including Belgium and the Netherlands... but those areas are also under their Western Europe grouping... And then a big chunk of their Iberian Peninsula bleeds into their Western Europe grouping, which includes a huge portion of Southern France... So with all the group bleeding, it's hard to determine where the more concentrated areas would be likely... Certainly other tests with larger sampling sizes should provide better results than Ancestry yields.

I never saw a k36 map linked to cities.

After taking 11 admixture tests I would say there is no test that is the “best” or can tell you for sure with percentages where your ancestors are from. This is due to many snps being found in multiple regions. However, if you analyze your results with broad generalizations there is something to be learned from each test and patterns will emerge.

Ancestry did assign me to “Saint Lawrence River French Settlers” where my mom is from and 23andMe did give me two dots for Belgium where my father is from. FTDNA gave me the highest admixture percentage of 90% for West and Central Europe. 24 Genetics gave me a large percentage for Normandy where many French Canadians came from.

I enjoyed the 24 Genetics test because of the large number of regions including several for France. It is a bit pricey for a transfer at 49 Euros or $60. However, I felt it was worth it.
 
how do you get these types of results from eurogenes?

On page 1 of this thread there is a link for you to click on. Type your Gedmatch Eurogenes k36 numbers into the spaces provided and then submit. Underneath the submit button will be your map. It’s only useful if most of your ancestors are from the same region in Europe.
 
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A pretty remarkable map, considering I live in Riga.
 
My results of the Eurogenes K36 Map.

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I made a post a while ago, but I could not add the maps.
This tool proved to be very suitable for my case: I am Uruguayan ( the highest percentage of affinity is shown in Argentina, near to the Uruguayan border) and my paternal grandfather was born in Veneto.View attachment 10592View attachment 10593

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These are mine, highest similarity with Balkan countries and Italy

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Mixed RawData

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Single RawData

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My K36 ancient

Component %
Italian 22,7%
Iberian 16,5%
French 7,38%
East_Med 7,3%
Armenian 6,21%
Central_Euro 5,32%
West_Med 5,1%
East_Balkan 4,41%
Near_Eastern 4,19%
North_Sea 4,12%
East_Central_Euro 3,62%
North_Atlantic 2,85%
West_Caucasian 2,59%
Basque 2,55%
Arabian 2,11%
Eastern_Euro 0,98%
Fennoscandian 0,94%
North_African 0,68%
North_Caucasian 0,46%


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v1 Beta 30/03/2019


Finished reading population data. 474 populations found.
36 components mode.


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Mixed Mode:
Elapsed Time: 128950 ms
1 59,18% CL94_Iberian + 40,82% CL38_GreeksouthItalian @ 6,794
2 50,98% SZ36_northItalian + 49,02% SZ28_northItalian @ 7,107
3 50,20% SZ28_northItalian + 49,80% SZ36_northItalian @ 7,112
4 56,05% EMA_northItalian_FN_2 + 43,95% CL38_GreeksouthItalian @ 7,328
5 56,84% SZ19_Italian_Balkan + 43,16% I2462_Bronze_Age_England_Kent @ 7,408
6 59,18% SZ19_Italian_Balkan + 40,82% IA_Britainr_York_6DRIF22 @ 7,431
7 50,20% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 49,80% CL94_Iberian @ 7,569
8 54,49% EMA_Greek_STR_300 + 45,51% Visigoth_Iberian_I12034 @ 7,582
9 50,20% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 49,80% EMA_northItalian_FN_2 @ 7,695
10 50,20% I2462_Bronze_Age_England_Kent + 49,80% SZ19_Italian_Balkan @ 7,890
11 50,20% Visigoth_Iberian_I12034 + 49,80% EMA_Greek_STR_300 @ 8,015
12 83,40% CL36_northItalian + 16,60% I10851_medieval_Catalonia @ 8,020
13 51,37% I2462_Bronze_Age_England_Kent + 48,63% BA_I9006_Mycenean @ 8,305
14 50,20% BA_I9006_Mycenean + 49,80% I2462_Bronze_Age_England_Kent @ 8,333
15 50,20% IA_Britainr_York_6DRIF22 + 49,80% SZ19_Italian_Balkan @ 8,359
16 70,12% CL36_northItalian + 29,88% CL23_northItalian @ 8,401
17 84,57% CL36_northItalian + 15,43% BA_I9123_Crete_Armenoi @ 8,468
18 54,10% CL121__northItalian + 45,90% CL23_northItalian @ 8,481
19 61,91% CL36_northItalian + 38,09% SZ36_northItalian @ 8,497
20 50,20% CL23_northItalian + 49,80% CL121__northItalian @ 8,534
21 53,32% SZ45_Pannonian + 46,68% SZ19_Italian_Balkan @ 8,553
22 54,10% SZ28_northItalian + 45,90% CL121__northItalian @ 8,574
23 58,40% SZ28_northItalian + 41,60% CL23_northItalian @ 8,574
24 88,09% CL36_northItalian + 11,91% BA_Hungary_RISE254 @ 8,598
25 50,20% CL121__northItalian + 49,80% SZ28_northItalian @ 8,613
26 50,20% SZ19_Italian_Balkan + 49,80% SZ45_Pannonian @ 8,623
27 86,13% CL36_northItalian + 13,87% Visigoth_Iberian_I12034 @ 8,629
28 50,20% SZ36_northItalian + 49,80% CL36_northItalian @ 8,647
29 56,84% CL23_northItalian + 43,16% SZ19_Italian_Balkan @ 8,671
30 89,26% CL36_northItalian + 10,74% MBA_Armenia_RISE413 @ 8,688
31 87,70% CL36_northItalian + 12,30% N_Levant_AinGhazal4 @ 8,700
32 62,30% CL121__northItalian + 37,70% BA_Hungary_BR2 @ 8,701
33 50,20% CL23_northItalian + 49,80% SZ28_northItalian @ 8,749
34 58,40% SZ28_northItalian + 41,60% SZ32_northItalian @ 8,790
35 89,65% CL36_northItalian + 10,35% I3496_Iberian_Catalonia_200BCE @ 8,795
36 56,05% EMA_northItalian_NW_54 + 43,95% SZ19_Italian_Balkan @ 8,800
37 66,21% SZ36_northItalian + 33,79% CL47_Alpine @ 8,848
38 53,71% I2462_Bronze_Age_England_Kent + 46,29% EMA_Greek_STR_300 @ 8,854
39 62,30% SZ36_northItalian + 37,70% SZ18_Pannonian @ 8,855
40 62,70% EMA_northItalian_FN_2 + 37,30% CHL_Armenia_I1632 @ 8,859


Least-squares method.


Using 1 populations approximation
1 100% CL36_northItalian @ 9,872
2 100% SZ36_northItalian @ 11,794
3 100% SZ28_northItalian @ 12,130
4 100% CL121__northItalian @ 13,288
5 100% SZ43_northItalian @ 14,163
6 100% SZ32_northItalian @ 14,635
7 100% CL23_northItalian @ 14,729
8 100% EMA_northItalian_NW_54 @ 15,088
9 100% SZ18_Pannonian @ 15,584
10 100% CL57_northItalian @ 15,683
New populations: 109


Using 2 populations approximation
1 50% SZ28_northItalian + 50% SZ36_northItalian @ 7,110
2 50% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 50% CL94_Iberian @ 7,538
3 50% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 50% EMA_northItalian_FN_2 @ 7,672
4 50% I2462_Bronze_Age_England_Kent + 50% SZ19_Italian_Balkan @ 7,865
5 50% EMA_Greek_STR_300 + 50% Visigoth_Iberian_I12034 @ 7,981
6 50% IA_Britainr_York_6DRIF22 + 50% SZ19_Italian_Balkan @ 8,323
7 50% BA_I9006_Mycenean + 50% I2462_Bronze_Age_England_Kent @ 8,326
8 50% CL121__northItalian + 50% CL23_northItalian @ 8,530
9 50% CL121__northItalian + 50% SZ28_northItalian @ 8,610
10 50% SZ19_Italian_Balkan + 50% SZ45_Pannonian @ 8,616


Using 3 populations approximation
1 33% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 33% EMA_northItalian_FN_2 + 33% SZ18_Pannonian @ 5,435
2 33% CL30_GreeksouthItalian + 33% EMA_northItalian_FN_2 + 33% SZ18_Pannonian @ 5,546
3 33% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 33% EMA_northItalian_FN_2 + 33% SZ28_northItalian @ 5,818
4 33% EMA_Greek_STR_300 + 33% SZ18_Pannonian + 33% Visigoth_Iberian_I12034 @ 5,990
5 33% CL121__northItalian + 33% I2462_Bronze_Age_England_Kent + 33% SZ19_Italian_Balkan @ 6,149
6 33% CL121__northItalian + 33% IA_Britainr_York_6DRIF22 + 33% SZ19_Italian_Balkan @ 6,188
7 33% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 33% CL94_Iberian + 33% EMA_northItalian_FN_2 @ 6,223
8 33% CL121__northItalian + 33% CL23_northItalian + 33% SZ28_northItalian @ 6,258
9 33% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 33% EMA_northItalian_FN_2 + 33% EMA_northItalian_NW_54 @ 6,264
10 33% CL121__northItalian + 33% SZ28_northItalian + 33% SZ36_northItalian @ 6,296


Using 4 populations approximation
1 25% BA_I9041_Mycenaean + 25% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 25% SZ18_Pannonian + 25% Visigoth_Iberian_I12034 @ 4,880
2 25% BA_I9041_Mycenaean + 25% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 25% CL63_Alpine + 25% Visigoth_Iberian_I12034 @ 4,929
3 25% CL23_northItalian + 25% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 25% MA2197_Anatolia_IA + 25% Visigoth_Iberian_I12034 @ 4,997
4 25% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 25% SZ18_Pannonian + 25% SZ19_Italian_Balkan + 25% Visigoth_Iberian_I12034 @ 5,056
5 25% CL121__northItalian + 25% EMA_Greek_STR_300 + 25% SZ18_Pannonian + 25% Visigoth_Iberian_I12034 @ 5,063
6 25% BA_I9041_Mycenaean + 25% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 25% EMA_northItalian_FN_2 + 25% IA_Britainr_York_6DRIF22 @ 5,077
7 25% CL30_GreeksouthItalian + 25% EMA_northItalian_FN_2 + 25% SZ18_Pannonian + 25% SZ28_northItalian @ 5,145
8 25% CL23_northItalian + 25% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 25% I10851_medieval_Catalonia + 25% MA2197_Anatolia_IA @ 5,220
9 25% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 25% I1979_Beaker_North_Italy + 25% SZ18_Pannonian + 25% SZ28_northItalian @ 5,228
10 25% CL23_northItalian + 25% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 25% EMA_northItalian_FN_2 + 25% SZ18_Pannonian @ 5,300
 

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