K36 Tool for K36: your similarities rates on maps

[I1a3_Young]

My family tracking close with the Anglo-Saxons, as expected. Thanks for posting.

 

[mwauthy]

It appears that England is more closely related to northern France, Belgium, and west/central Germany than to the Netherlands or northern Germany. The Celtic portion of the admixture seems to be more prominent than the Germanic portion.

 

[Sakattack]

FWIW, here is mine:

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[mwauthy]

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My 23andMe results tend to correlate well with these k36 results. Not for where my relatives were born but rather for how similar our admixtures are. My highest numbers for both are French/German then British/Irish then broadly NW which can include Scandinavia at a lower admixture match. My Roman influence doesn't correlate highly with modern Southern Europeans but is my next closest admixture match in Iberia after northwest and Central Europe.

 

[Tomenable]

Another East German with partially West Pomeranian + Lower Silesian ancestry:

GEDCOM ID#: 7947070

K36 nMonte for Lietzau:

[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCES"
German_East Czechs_Moravians Slovak Hungary
8.307297 8.604509 10.377336 10.727080
Slovenian Austria PL_Upper_Silesia Pl_Kashubians
11.097545 12.343786 12.930024 12.943236

Lietzau

Pl_Kashubians 24.5
Austria_Tyrol 23.0
Sweden 22.1
PL_Sudovia 21.2
IT_Sardinia 4.0
IT_Veneto 3.6
GR_Thrace 1.3
IT_Tuscany 0.1
Holland 0.1

^^^ He is mainly a mix of West Pomeranian Germans with Lower Silesian Germans and in K36 nMonte he looks like 1/2 Polish + 1/4 Western Austrian + 1/4 Swedish. He is also close to Upper Silesian Poles and Kashubians in single population sharing. This makes a lot of sense.

 

[Sile]

What has it to do with what we were discussing?

Tyrol in Germany? Really?

I do not know why you bring this up...........but the creator stated to me yesterday , that there is only one north-italian box and the other is a north-italian/austrian mix box .....he also said as I only have 2 red boxes , the north-italian and the "south tyrol " one

For those who are not mixed, a small number of red or brown boxes, probably indicate that you are originating from an intermediate region between two very different regions.
In your case you are straddling between two regions very geographically close but very genetically distant that are northern Italy and Austria.
Your profile is therefore very limited geographically, and you do not have many red boxes.

BTW - the new site populates in colour the boxes automatically

Edit - Creator stated it is not south -tyrol, but represented Carnian alps, Friuli ..........Ladian people ,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnic_Alps

 

[Maciamo]

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Ha, it seems I make a more convincing Belgian genetically than you do. They should really split up Flanders and Wallonia though, Belgium is one of the less genetically homogeneous countries in Europe and I'm sure there would be a fair difference between the two, similar to Switzerland. It's clear that Belgians are a Celtic and Germanic mix, I derive about 20~ percent of my ancestry from the celtic areas of the British Isles and the rest mostly from Germany and I serve as a decent proxy for them.

Our results are remarkably close considering we have such different ancestry. From what I have seen from 23adnMe results (over 50 Flemings and 50 Walloons) there isn't much difference between Flanders and Wallonia. There interpersonal differences are bigger. The Flemings are much more different from the Dutch (except North Brabant and Limburg) than from the Walloons.

 

[mwauthy]

Our results are remarkably close considering we have such different ancestry. From what I have seen from 23adnMe results (over 50 Flemings and 50 Walloons) there isn't much difference between Flanders and Wallonia. There interpersonal differences are bigger. The Flemings are much more different from the Dutch (except North Brabant and Limburg) than from the Walloons.

The three of us are pretty similar. I seem to be a bit more inbred though hence the higher northern France scores. My mom is French Canadian and my dad's parents were first cousins so it makes sense lol.

 

[Ysengrin]

Here's mine, sorry I'm not very talented with paint. I find this calculator very precise, it is a good resume of what I know of my family history.

 

[srdceleva]

North German with ancestry mostly from Hamburg (with GEDcom):

Kit number: H649776

His Eurogenes K13 results:

Admix Results (sorted):

#PopulationPercent
1North_Atlantic50.83
2Baltic28.92
3West_Med8.41
4East_Med4.04
5West_Asian3.93
6Red_Sea1.33
7South_Asian1.32
8Siberian0.62
9Northeast_African0.45
10Amerindian0.15

Least-squares:

Single Population Sharing:

#Population (source)Distance
1Norwegian3.23
2Danish3.46
3North_Dutch3.96
4Swedish4.18
5North_German4.81
6Orcadian5.97
7Irish6.66
8West_Scottish6.93
9Southeast_English7.36
10Southwest_English8.79
11North_Swedish9.44
12South_Dutch10.95
13West_German11.52
14East_German13.58
15Austrian13.88
16French16.91
17Southwest_Finnish17.67
18Hungarian17.74
19South_Polish21.36
20Croatian22.91

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source)Secondary Population (source)Distance
1 81.1%Danish+18.9%[email protected]
2 97.7%Norwegian+2.3%[email protected]
3 97.9%Norwegian+2.1%[email protected]
4 61.1%Danish+38.9%[email protected]
5 90.4%Danish+9.6%[email protected]
6 97.9%Norwegian+2.1%[email protected]
7 98.3%Norwegian+1.7%[email protected]
8 92.9%Danish+7.1%[email protected]
9 92.8%Danish+7.2%[email protected]
10 98.4%Norwegian+1.6%[email protected]
11 58.3%Norwegian+41.7%[email protected]
12 98.1%Norwegian+1.9%Palestinian@3
13 98.1%Norwegian+1.9%Bedouin@3
14 77.8%North_Dutch+22.2%[email protected]
15 98.2%Norwegian+1.8%[email protected]
16 98.2%Norwegian+1.8%[email protected]
17 94.2%Danish+5.8%[email protected]
18 98.7%Norwegian+1.3%[email protected]
19 93.8%Danish+6.2%[email protected]
20 98.1%Norwegian+1.9%[email protected]

Gaussian:

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Danish +50% Swedish @ 3.257537

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Danish +25% Norwegian +25% Swedish @ 3.142092

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Danish + Danish + Norwegian + Swedish @ 3.142092
2 Danish + Danish + North_Swedish + West_Scottish @ 3.159508
3 Danish + Danish + Danish + North_Swedish @ 3.163684
4 Danish + Danish + North_Dutch + North_Swedish @ 3.172780
5 Danish + Danish + North_Swedish + Norwegian @ 3.178333
6 Danish + North_Swedish + Norwegian + West_Scottish @ 3.200292
7 Danish + Norwegian + Norwegian + Swedish @ 3.237297
8 Danish + North_Dutch + North_Dutch + North_Swedish @ 3.239144
9 Danish + North_Dutch + North_Swedish + Norwegian @ 3.248334
10 Danish + Danish + Swedish + Swedish @ 3.257537
11 Danish + North_Dutch + North_Swedish + West_Scottish @ 3.273475
12 Danish + Danish + Danish + Swedish @ 3.273919
13 Danish + North_Swedish + Norwegian + Southeast_English @ 3.288378
14 Danish + North_Dutch + Norwegian + Swedish @ 3.294572
15 Danish + Danish + Norwegian + Norwegian @ 3.314415
16 Danish + Danish + North_Swedish + Orcadian @ 3.328635
17 Danish + North_Swedish + Norwegian + Orcadian @ 3.350953
18 Danish + Danish + Irish + North_Swedish @ 3.351072
19 Danish + North_Dutch + Swedish + Swedish @ 3.355464
20 North_Swedish + Norwegian + Norwegian + Southeast_English @ 3.355885

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His Eurogenes K36 results:

Population
Amerindian-
Arabian-
Armenian-
Basque0.80
Central_African-
Central_Euro9.80
East_African-
East_Asian-
East_Balkan3.21
East_Central_Asian-
East_Central_Euro10.24
East_Med-
Eastern_Euro5.35
Fennoscandian13.66
French6.82
Iberian4.64
Indo-Chinese-
Italian8.65
Malayan-
Near_Eastern-
North_African-
North_Atlantic13.45
North_Caucasian-
North_Sea23.37
Northeast_African-
Oceanian-
Omotic-
Pygmy-
Siberian-
South_Asian-
South_Central_Asian-
South_Chinese-
Volga-Ural-
West_African-
West_Caucasian-
West_Med-

http://gen3553.pagesperso-orange.fr/ADN/similitude.htm

 

[mwauthy]

Here's mine, sorry I'm not very talented with paint. I find this calculator very precise, it is a good resume of what I know of my family history.

Looks like a good representation of Halstatt La Tene. Definitely primarily Celtic.

 

[Ysengrin]

Looks like a good representation of Halstatt La Tene. Definitely primarily Celtic.

I'm living in 40 kilometers (25 miles) from the archeological site of la T?ne


I noticed that there were ancient peoples reference maps on the post, Are there similar maps for Central, Western and Southern ancient peoples of Europe ?

Thank you

 

[mwauthy]

I'm living in 40 kilometers (25 miles) from the archeological site of la T�ne


I noticed that there were ancient peoples reference maps on the post, Are there similar maps for Central, Western and Southern ancient peoples of Europe ?

Thank you

Have you taken the FTDNA test? Just curious what your FTDNA 2.0 scores might be. I have 90% West and Central Europe which might be a good representation of Gaulish or Hallstatt La Tene.

 

[cpsinkule]

Thanks for sharing, it really puts things into perspective.

 

[Ysengrin]

Have you taken the FTDNA test? Just curious what your FTDNA 2.0 scores might be. I have 90% West and Central Europe which might be a good representation of Gaulish or Hallstatt La Tene.

Yes the "raw data" i used came from FTDNA. The results with Eurogene K36 seems to be more accurate than "MyOrigins" from FTDNA.



I know that 50% of my family tree for the last 500 years should be found in western and central Europe. On FTDNA they say 9% which is most certainly wrong. The 32% of scandinavian seems to me too high... In my case the old version of myorigins was more accurate.

 

[mwauthy]

Yes the "raw data" i used came from FTDNA. The results with Eurogene K36 seems to be more accurate than "MyOrigins" from FTDNA.



I know that 50% of my family tree for the last 500 years should be found in western and central Europe. On FTDNA they say 9% which is most certainly wrong. The 32% of scandinavian seems to me too high... In my case the old version of myorigins was more accurate.

Those FTDNA scores appear really off based on the k36 interpretation. You have all scores in the 60s for Scandinavia yet received 32%. My Scandinavian scores are in the 70s and I received 0%. My friend's scores are in the 80s and he only received 26%. Plus our Iberian scores are pretty similar high 60s and low 70s yet you received 31% and I received 0%.

 

[Ysengrin]

Those FTDNA scores appear really off based on the k36 interpretation. You have all scores in the 60s for Scandinavia yet received 32%. My Scandinavian scores are in the 70s and I received 0%. My friend's scores are in the 80s and he only received 26%. Plus our Iberian scores are pretty similar high 60s and low 70s yet you received 31% and I received 0%.

Yes these results are so stange...

I have the same interrogation with genographic project, but in that case 0% of central and western Europe ...



The family of my maternal grandmother come from german switzerland since 250 years and more. The family of my maternal grandfather come from France and England. My paternal grandmother is french and my paternal grandfather was born of unknown father but his mother was from an ancient swiss family (500 years and more, perhaps since the 10th century).


I tested 3 different companies, the 3 have different autosomal results and all are probably not enough accurate.

 

[Tomenable]

The genetic division of Europe based on my own results:

http://gen3553.pagesperso-orange.fr/ADN/similitude2.htm

Compare with the map of European languages in 1100 AD:

Grover S. Krantz (Professor of Anthropology), "Geographical Development Of European Languages", American University Studies, Series XI, Anthropology and Sociology, Vol. 26:

http://s155239215.onlinehome.us/tur...nzG1988GeogrDevelopmOfEurLanguagesCh6-8En.htm

And the maximum extent of Slavic expansion (800s AD):

 

[Tomenable]

The natural geographical western border of Eastern Europe is the "Baltic-Adriatic narrowing" ("zwężenie bałtycko-adriatyckie"): http://przeglad.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/Leszek_Sykulski_tom_6.pdf

This is also roughly the Frankish-Slavic border in the Early Middle Ages:

Modern distribution of R1a haplogroup in Germany and Austria:

http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthr...ny-and-Austria&p=184322&viewfull=1#post184322

 

[Sile]

The natural geographical western border of Eastern Europe is the "Baltic-Adriatic narrowing" ("zwężenie bałtycko-adriatyckie"): http://przeglad.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/Leszek_Sykulski_tom_6.pdf

This is also roughly the Frankish-Slavic border in the Early Middle Ages:

Modern distribution of R1a haplogroup in Germany and Austria:

http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthr...ny-and-Austria&p=184322&viewfull=1#post184322

while I agree with your post # 98 and 99 , the facts are the Istria was always italian through late bronze-age to after WW2 ( check out the istrian exodus initiated by tito)