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    My friend is a mystery



    After hounding him for months to get an Ancestry test to find his family, here is my buddy who was adopted (results obtained yesterday):

    Hints: American, not "one" ethnicity, brown eyes, very dark brown hair that appears black, does not grow chest hair.

    Has been told by Native Americans that he looks Native, by Mexicans that he looks Mexican, and by Iranians that he looks Iranian. His supposed ethnicity has been a running joke in our circle of friends but the mystery was just solved. How close can the experts here get?

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    As expected, nobody has a guess :P

    So far nobody (in person) has correctly guessed this fellow or even gotten close.

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    ..... armenian

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    Half Lebabese 3/8 Mexican 1/8 African American

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    .....south Eastern European to West Asian

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    I have a friend who is Turkish and they look alike.

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    he has some typical meditterean charactristics,

    No Not Armenian,

    the problem is his nose, and hears

    he has nose that looks East Europe (towards up) but wide at low base
    his ears are towards outside,

    as face seems to be a mix of East Europe and mediterrean,
    so I would put him Balkans and Turkey,

    a zone from Albania N Greece S Serbia Slav-makedonia, S Bulgaria, and all North parts of Turkey From Adrianoupolis/Edirne to Kastamone Pontos Laz till Sohoumi Georgia.
    ok Armenia is not excluded but not so strong for me
    Not South Greece and S Turkey though

    photo 3 the nose is reaching very law,
    in photo 2 the nose shows a bit looking up

    If am forced to enter a more specific region,
    I would say North and East Turkey (all possible ethnicities)
    and N and West Greece (Albania Fyrom Serbia included)


    are you sure 2nd and third photo is same person?
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    Yes, it's the same person and there's at least a few years between #2 and #3 so maybe it's an aging effect.

    The varied guesses are interesting, most Americans don't know what Armenian or Albanian even are, so it's good to hear the guesses from people who are familiar.

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    ok waiting for results and his ethnicity.

    is he Greek?

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    1 members found this post helpful.
    Here:

    Eurogenes K36 color map:
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    Eurogenes K13
    k13.PNG


    MDLP K16
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    Ancestry.com
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    MyHeritage:
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    No known relatives outside of Great Britain, Ireland (few), Germany (few), Norway (1 recent).

    Something is picking up though from the Balkans, Greece, Turkey, or the East but the estimates recognize it differently.

    I could get photos of parents and grandparents, and possibly more.

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    i am really surprised at how northern he is genetically! He's just shy of 100 percent English.

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    Quote Originally Posted by I1a3_Young View Post
    Here:

    Eurogenes K36 color map:
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    MDLP K16
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    Ancestry.com
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    MyHeritage:
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    No known relatives outside of Great Britain, Ireland (few), Germany (few), Norway (1 recent).

    Something is picking up though from the Balkans, Greece, Turkey, or the East but the estimates recognize it differently.

    I could get photos of parents and grandparents, and possibly more.

    ok man

    my only excuse is that exceptions, certify the rule

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yetos View Post
    ok man

    my only excuse is that exceptions, certify the rule
    Like I said, it doesn't make any sense and nobody guesses correctly. The whole "guess the ethnicity" thing is highly variable.

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    Shocker..........

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    This guy doesn't look British isles at all....I mean I've seen some dark people from Wales but this is amazing.

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    It's because we all think stereotypically. The whole problem with trying to place him was that the pigmentation didn't match the features.

    There are other Brits that might fool you.













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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    It's because we all think stereotypically. The whole problem with trying to place him was that the pigmentation didn't match the features.

    There are other Brits that might fool you.
    Most of those actors have light eyes, they just have a darker complexion they still look very European to me. The guy from poldark is dark but he looks like the Irish / Welsh kind of dark. This guy's friend looks really west Asian to me. Similar to a Turkish friend of mine, but I guess he's just a dark British type. Amazing

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    Quote Originally Posted by srdceleva View Post
    Most of those actors have light eyes, they just have a darker complexion they still look very European to me. The guy from poldark is dark but he looks like the Irish / Welsh kind of dark. This guy's friend looks really west Asian to me. Similar to a Turkish friend of mine, but I guess he's just a dark British type. Amazing
    I didn't guess him because I couldn't make immediate sense of his combination, but he absolutely didn't look West Asian to me.

    My best guess would have been British plus some Mexican.

    Not to be nit-picky, but most of that selection doesn't have blue eyes, and neither Catherine Zeta Jones nor David Gandy nor Rufus Sewall have "British" features to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    I didn't guess him because I couldn't make immediate sense of his combination, but he absolutely didn't look West Asian to me.

    My best guess would have been British plus some Mexican.

    Not to be nit-picky, but most of that selection doesn't have blue eyes, and neither Catherine Zeta Jones nor David Gandy nor Rufus Sewall have "British" features to me.
    Well a lot of people guessed turkey so I guess there is something to it. And I didn't say all of them have light eyes, but most of those actors look pretty Atlantic to me even if they are dark, this guy looks quite a bit different. I mean I did know dark white people growing up in the south but they looked a bit different and I always assumed they were part native American or something. I guess they all night have been just white. Crazy

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    Beat.jpg

    Put Angela's Brits and these fellows outside in the sun for a while.

    As for eye color, the lineage was supposedly 5 or 6 generations of black haired and blue eyed men until a dark headed but very pale Norwegian lady came in with Brown/Brown dominant eyes.

    I wonder about the genes for ability to tan, or even perma-tan. Some Brits go from white to lobster red and then back to white. Some tan easily and seem to absorb sunburns. I wonder if this gene has been identified, the melanin adjuster or whatever.

    I'll ask for some family photos. (btw he did find family who appear to have at least 1 genealogist in the bunch)

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    This reminds me of a client I had in Atlanta years ago. We were at a company function and he stared and stared. I mean, Italians stare, so I have a high tolerance for it, but this was downright rude. I just up and asked him why he was staring. He told me he'd never known a white person who looked like me. Then I introduced my husband and he was stunned into silence for a while. After being treated to a full on court press of charm and business acumen he offered him a job. I told my husband if he took it I'd divorce him. There was no freaking way I was going to live in Georgia. Are you kidding me? Besides everything else, I would have had to copy my cousin, who married a guy who had to do his medical residency in Nebraska! Instead of flying she would drive a big station wagon back and forth and fill it up with olive oil, canned Marzano tomatoes, you name it. No thank you. It smelled like an Italian deli in there.

    As to the tanning thing, I do believe that a lot of southern Europeans have the mutation(s) that allows you to tan even if your normal skin color is a pale olive.

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    Unfortunately, I didn't get that gene.

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    Georgia isn't so bad, I have a lot of peeps in the tree there. Way better than Nebraska!

    I married into a Sicilian family from Brooklyn. They crack me up and I know exactly what you mean about the good olive oil and ingredients!

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    He looks white except where he is permanently tanned, which never fades.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    I didn't guess him because I couldn't make immediate sense of his combination, but he absolutely didn't look West Asian to me.

    My best guess would have been British plus some Mexican.

    Not to be nit-picky, but most of that selection doesn't have blue eyes, and neither Catherine Zeta Jones nor David Gandy nor Rufus Sewall have "British" features to me.
    Wow! Rufus Sewall looks insanely Mediterranean!

    Angela, what's your secret? How could you possibly guess I13a_Young's friend as mostly English? I'm not envious, but I feel as if I saw you juggling fiery bowling balls or lift a car....it's an amazing feat to guess him as mostly Northern European and be right. Do you hang around a lot of English people?

    How do you do it?

    Btw I'm glad they don't make it mandatory to take ethnicity guessing classes in college...
    Professor: "Class, your exams have been graded...Mr Jones, 'A'.,.Mr Steins..B+, Mr Fanelli....see me after class..."

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    This Welsh athlete could be dropped in Napoli tomorrow and nobody would be the wiser.



    Coon wrote a bit about what he called "Mediterranean" resurgence in England. I doubt these types were thrown up only in relatively modern times.

    When people inter-marry over and over again, "pure" phenotypes will sometimes appear. The same thing happens in the Apennines in Italy. Even in one family you can get a tall, rather fair person and a somewhat shorter very stereotypical "Mediterranean" person, and yet genetically their proportion of ancient population groups are the same.

    @Davef,
    I watch a lot of British tv. :)

    The Brit I had in mind for the subject of the post was Nathaniel Parker of the Lynley mysteries:
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