What do you consider Southeastern Europe

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Do you consider Italy part as Southeastern Europe, as it seems FTDNA considers this as Southeastern Europe, but I think this is wrong. Anyways what do you think of life in the Balkans if you live there?
 
In my mind I just draw a line from mid France to Hungary and whatever is below is South Europe. It splits Europe into two equal halfs, geographically speaking.
 
Anyways what do you think of life in the Balkans if you live there?

Life in the Balkans has pluses and minuses.

On the minus side Western Europe is much better regulated and rules are respected, also life standard is much better.

On the plus side there is more improvisation, more free behavior and possible in total life is more exciting, life standard and human happiness are different things.

The countries of former Yugoslavia have good healthcare and educational system what is consequence of socialism.

Highest standard of living in the Balkans is in Greece.
 
Life in the Balkans has pluses and minuses.

On the minus side Western Europe is much better regulated and rules are respected, also life standard is much better.

On the plus side there is more improvisation, more free behavior and possible in total life is more exciting, life standard and human happiness are different things.

The countries of former Yugoslavia have good healthcare and educational system what is consequence of socialism.

Highest standard of living in the Balkans is in Greece.

Where would you consider living though if you had to choose between Bosnia, Albania, and or Montenegro?
 
Life in the Balkans has pluses and minuses.

On the minus side Western Europe is much better regulated and rules are respected, also life standard is much better.

On the plus side there is more improvisation, more free behavior and possible in total life is more exciting, life standard and human happiness are different things.

The countries of former Yugoslavia have good healthcare and educational system what is consequence of socialism.

Highest standard of living in the Balkans is in Greece.

Well said. The key to being happy in your environment is the social aspect of it more than anything. When I lived in Bosnia it was a small town and pretty much everybody knew each other and you never felt lonely, people wanted to be social it was a community. We spent more time hanging out on the block or in the park or the soccer field or w/e than you were in your house. Only if something good is on TV you're in your house. I really enjoyed those times. Don't know how it is now I don't hear good things.
As far as the healthcare and education that's probably going away too.
And organic natural food that's probably healthier and has the rich smell and taste also going away.
As far as material things they have all the things there that we have here in America, but they don't have money.
 
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No, geographically the term that makes more sense is 'South Central'. Furthermore, Catholic Europe was 'the West' once upon a time.
 
Well said. The key to being happy in your environment is the social aspect of it more than anything. When I lived in Bosnia it was a small town and pretty much everybody knew each other and you never felt lonely, people wanted to be social it was a community. We spent more time hanging out on the block or in the park or the soccer field or w/e than you were in your house. Only if something good is on TV you're in your house. I really enjoyed those times. Don't know how it is now I don't hear good things.
As far as the healthcare and education that's probably going away too.
And organic natural food that's probably healthier and has the rich smell and taste also going away.
As far as material things they have all the things there that we have here in America, but they don't have money.

Really? Healthcare, and all of this is good in Bosnia, Macedonia, Kosovo, and all of these places have good healthcare? What about smoking, I heard that is a area that the balkans have not really worked on. I heard people smoke everywhere all the time. I mean people smoke a lot in Turkey also, but there are bans. I heard that isn't very well followed in certain parts of the balkans. I have seen that it was a beautiful place.
 
@ Tahir

Balkans are unigue,

once in Balkans, either you hate it, either you love it,
and it has many-many colours,
colours of far past, colours of medieval times, colours of modern times,
colours of ancient, colours of North Europe. colours of West Europe, colours of Ottoman era, colours of modern times,
and even local colours, no else found in Earth,

as I have said before,
the terms WEST EAST SOUTH etc in Europe are according time and the criteria,
for example the medieval times WEST was the Carlomagnus state, and East the Byzantine,
the times of cold war West was the NATO states, and EAST was the Warsaw impact,
by religion, West is catholic and protestant, East is Orthodox and Muslim
North for some is only the Scans,
for others includes British islands BENELUX and Deutschland,
but also North can be Poland Balts and Russia, etc
 
I don't know about the smoking ban, probably will be enforced in the near future.
And there might a first riot in the world over a smoking ban.
 
Where would you consider living though if you had to choose between Bosnia, Albania, and or Montenegro?

Good, I would choose Montenegro coast (middle and northern part) but it is personally because my origin. I visited all the countries of former Yugoslavia and many parts. Belgrade, Montenegro coast and Istria in Croatia are the best places for my taste in area of ex Yugoslavia.

I was not in Albania and cannot speak. But there are very nice places and towns in Bosnia, in both entities, it all depends on what you prefer.
 
Well said. The key to being happy in your environment is the social aspect of it more than anything. When I lived in Bosnia it was a small town and pretty much everybody knew each other and you never felt lonely, people wanted to be social it was a community. We spent more time hanging out on the block or in the park or the soccer field or w/e than you were in your house. Only if something good is on TV you're in your house. I really enjoyed those times. Don't know how it is now I don't hear good things.
As far as the healthcare and education that's probably going away too.
And organic natural food that's probably healthier and has the rich smell and taste also going away.
As far as material things they have all the things there that we have here in America, but they don't have money.

This sounds like the way it used to be in my part of Italy. I miss it so much. It's all changing very fast. Honestly, if I wanted to recapture some of it I'd have to move very far south to retire.

Ed. To be scrupulously honest, I could do with less of the savage gossip of the old women, although I myself never did anything to warrant their enmity. I was a virtual saint, I assure you. I wasn't always picked to be the Virgin Mary in every single event both there and in the U.S. for nothing! :)

No dirty jokes, Absurdistan!
 
Good, I would choose Montenegro coast (middle and northern part) but it is personally because my origin. I visited all the countries of former Yugoslavia and many parts. Belgrade, Montenegro coast and Istria in Croatia are the best places for my taste in area of ex Yugoslavia.

I was not in Albania and cannot speak. But there are very nice places and towns in Bosnia, in both entities, it all depends on what you prefer.

I mean I would like to live somewhere that is like Turkey, as I want to travel and live in the balkans for a little just to see the life. I want something familiar though. I love Ottoman Architecture, so I guess that means my best bet would be Bosnia, Albania, or Kosovo. I want somewhere I can sit in a tea garden enjoy a glass of tea relax, and have some amazing food and good conversations. I also want to live somewhere I can hear Adhan, so I guess my best bet would be Montenegro in Bar, or Bosnia. I am not going to stay permanently though, just want to stay a couple of months. Is it true though that in Bosnia there is a different phone company for all the ethnicities?
 
I mean I would like to live somewhere that is like Turkey, as I want to travel and live in the balkans for a little just to see the life. I want something familiar though. I love Ottoman Architecture, so I guess that means my best bet would be Bosnia, Albania, or Kosovo. I want somewhere I can sit in a tea garden enjoy a glass of tea relax, and have some amazing food and good conversations. I also want to live somewhere I can hear Adhan, so I guess my best bet would be Montenegro in Bar, or Bosnia. I am not going to stay permanently though, just want to stay a couple of months. Is it true though that in Bosnia there is a different phone company for all the ethnicities?


well lately a number of over 120 000 properties in Greecepassed to Turks,
and estimated to reach 200 000,
Ottoman architecture is in many countries of Aimos,

Bulgaria and Greece have Pomaks, and Muslim minorities from the Ottoman era in certain parts
an ancient population with Islamic Ottoman and private-shelf-sesigned culture,

Skopjie has also a very small Turkish population,

Albania Kossovo and Bosnia are Muslim countries, Albania and Bosnia re more open,

If you are a Laz, i also suggest Greek Makedonia, specially summertime, you can hear the old Rum of Pontos be spoken and dance horon, tik omal lahana serra,
and there are every week travels from Con/polis, or Instanbul, till Thessaloniki done by Turks,
Thessaloniki is a favorite destination for Turks to get married and pass honey moon.
you can also find karalahana food.

Medical conditions all over balkans are the same, no difference from Turkey, except some Greek university hospitals/clinics, mainly specialized for spesific treatment od certain diseases or health problems.
The far you are away from a big city the less you have, or better the basic treatment you will have, but ambulance are always in the run to take you to a bigger hospital,
modern Balkans lack of nothing in a good degree of medicine, except special or unique cases,

BTW
it is not allowed to pass medicines from one country to another,
except these in you car pharmacy apotheke,
if you have to take special medicines, better have a doctors papper on what you must have with you,
and not big quantities,

Halal food can be found anywhere.

to hear muezzin's call it depends according local conditions and laws,
for example in some areas specially villages you can hear all calls every day,
in some other one call, in some only certain days, and there are places like in some big cities were is forbiden, or is done more quite.

if you want to have a religious tour in Balkans start from GreeK Thrake or Bulgaria, then move to Skopjie and from there to Kossovo Albania or Kossovo Bosnia,
I suggest do not travel alone, and usage of GPS can help, but can also guide you wrong.
 
well lately a number of over 120 000 properties in Greecepassed to Turks,
and estimated to reach 200 000,
Ottoman architecture is in many countries of Aimos,

Bulgaria and Greece have Pomaks, and Muslim minorities from the Ottoman era in certain parts
an ancient population with Islamic Ottoman and private-shelf-sesigned culture,

Skopjie has also a very small Turkish population,

Albania Kossovo and Bosnia are Muslim countries, Albania and Bosnia re more open,

If you are a Laz, i also suggest Greek Makedonia, specially summertime, you can hear the old Rum of Pontos be spoken and dance horon, tik omal lahana serra,
and there are every week travels from Con/polis, or Instanbul, till Thessaloniki done by Turks,
Thessaloniki is a favorite destination for Turks to get married and pass honey moon.
you can also find karalahana food.

Medical conditions all over balkans are the same, no difference from Turkey, except some Greek university hospitals/clinics, mainly specialized for spesific treatment od certain diseases or health problems.
The far you are away from a big city the less you have, or better the basic treatment you will have, but ambulance are always in the run to take you to a bigger hospital,
modern Balkans lack of nothing in a good degree of medicine, except special or unique cases,

BTW
it is not allowed to pass medicines from one country to another,
except these in you car pharmacy apotheke,
if you have to take special medicines, better have a doctors papper on what you must have with you,
and not big quantities,

Halal food can be found anywhere.

to hear muezzin's call it depends according local conditions and laws,
for example in some areas specially villages you can hear all calls every day,
in some other one call, in some only certain days, and there are places like in some big cities were is forbiden, or is done more quite.

if you want to have a religious tour in Balkans start from GreeK Thrake or Bulgaria, then move to Skopjie and from there to Kossovo Albania or Kossovo Bosnia,
I suggest do not travel alone, and usage of GPS can help, but can also guide you wrong.

Yetos what about the city of Sahin in Greece I don't know the name for it in Greek but isn't this a highly Turk area. I am not sure how good of a city it is. What is the best cities for Turks in Greece? I also would like to visit Cyprus even if it isn't balkan. I do want to do a tour of the balkans though. Is it easy to travel pretty freely between the countries or no?
 
I mean I would like to live somewhere that is like Turkey, as I want to travel and live in the balkans for a little just to see the life. I want something familiar though. I love Ottoman Architecture, so I guess that means my best bet would be Bosnia, Albania, or Kosovo. I want somewhere I can sit in a tea garden enjoy a glass of tea relax, and have some amazing food and good conversations. I also want to live somewhere I can hear Adhan, so I guess my best bet would be Montenegro in Bar, or Bosnia. I am not going to stay permanently though, just want to stay a couple of months. Is it true though that in Bosnia there is a different phone company for all the ethnicities?

Yes, I supposed your wishes. About Albania I cannot speak because never was. Kosovo is poor, quality of life is low. Skoplje is good city and there is some oriental architecture and religious objects. Tetovo and Gostivar have more Turkish style objects and you will like them but for me Skoplje is much better for life.

If I choose what you mentioned, Bosnia is much better. If we exclude Republic of Serbian because it is mostly not oriental, we keep attention on other entity: BH federation. Of course Sarajevo is beautiful city and a lot of wonderful people. But if you prefer smaller towns, Tuzla is my recommendation, very good place for life. If you prefer endless beauty Jajce is top one in BH federation for my taste. But I would like that Apsurdistan says about these places because he surely know better. I visited only as tourist, I never lived there.

Beautiful Jajce


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Yes, I supposed your wishes. About Albania I cannot speak because never was. Kosovo is poor, quality of life is low. Skoplje is good city and there is some oriental architecture and religious objects. Tetovo and Gostivar have more Turkish style objects and you will like them but for me Skoplje is much better for life.

If I choose what you mentioned, Bosnia is much better. If we exclude Republic of Serbian because it is mostly not oriental, we keep attention on other entity: BH federation. Of course Sarajevo is beautiful city and a lot of wonderful people. But if you prefer smaller towns, Tuzla is my recommendation, very good place for life. If you prefer endless beauty Jajce is top one in BH federation for my taste. But I would like that Apsurdistan says about these places because he surely know better. I visited only as tourist, I never lived there.

Beautiful Jajce


d226e-Jajce_2.jpg

Well I never even visited as a tourist I've only been in Šamac that's my hometown (now Republika Srpska) its nickname used to be little Paris of Posavina, now it's almost an empty town and mostly an older population living in it.
Then when I was 4 the war started after that I lived in Slavonija, then Zagreb. Then Orasje a town next to Šamac that remained in BiH. That's it.

But I hear Gradačac is nice, Tuzla, Mostar, Sarajevo of course... yeah I haven't traveled Bosnia at all further from the Sava river.

Would love to travel to Turkey as well as the Balkans. I'd like a summer vacation on the Croatian sea coast I've heard many parts of that are great to visit and the people are very hospitable. When my cousin vacationed there locals were telling them they're real glad when they see someone from ex-YU they're like we're sick of all the foreigner tourists lol.

In ex-yu people traveled all over ex-YU all the time. My mom vacationed in Croatia almost every summer. And I asked her did you ever travel to other countries and she says we weren't really interested to travel to other countries.
Then that war happens and boom now we're all over the world.
 
Nice nature documentary about the Balkans, if you're into that.
 
Well I never even visited as a tourist I've only been in Šamac that's my hometown (now Republika Srpska) its nickname used to be little Paris of Posavina, now it's almost an empty town and mostly an older population living in it.
Then when I was 4 the war started after that I lived in Slavonija, then Zagreb. Then Orasje a town next to Šamac that remained in BiH. That's it.

But I hear Gradačac is nice, Tuzla, Mostar, Sarajevo of course... yeah I haven't traveled Bosnia at all further from the Sava river.

Would love to travel to Turkey as well as the Balkans. I'd like a summer vacation on the Croatian sea coast I've heard many parts of that are great to visit and the people are very hospitable. When my cousin vacationed there locals were telling them they're real glad when they see someone from ex-YU they're like we're sick of all the foreigner tourists lol.

In ex-yu people traveled all over ex-YU all the time. My mom vacationed in Croatia almost every summer. And I asked her did you ever travel to other countries and she says we weren't really interested to travel to other countries.
Then that war happens and boom now we're all over the world.

I heard that Mostar is still a very divided city though, and that it still has a lot of division. I am not sure if this is true though, but I really wanted to go to Mostar it looks so beautiful. Also is it still hard for muslim to go to Serbia after the war. I do not mean this in a bad way, but is there still tension? I would just like to travel the whole balkans. That area just has so much history. It is so beautiful. I feel like now things are starting to get better. I mean I heard that there will always be division, but I heard in the past couple of years things are starting to turn in a good way.
 
I heard that Mostar is still a very divided city though, and that it still has a lot of division. I am not sure if this is true though, but I really wanted to go to Mostar it looks so beautiful. Also is it still hard for muslim to go to Serbia after the war. I do not mean this in a bad way, but is there still tension? I would just like to travel the whole balkans. That area just has so much history. It is so beautiful. I feel like now things are starting to get better. I mean I heard that there will always be division, but I heard in the past couple of years things are starting to turn in a good way.

No there's no tention with Muslims in Serbia don't worry about it. I haven't heard any such thing.
Even in Srpska republic there is no serious tension. If you go to the Croat majority part of Herzegovina though, like west Mostar then maybe some yeah.
 
I heard that Mostar is still a very divided city though, and that it still has a lot of division. I am not sure if this is true though, but I really wanted to go to Mostar it looks so beautiful. Also is it still hard for muslim to go to Serbia after the war. I do not mean this in a bad way, but is there still tension? I would just like to travel the whole balkans. That area just has so much history. It is so beautiful. I feel like now things are starting to get better. I mean I heard that there will always be division, but I heard in the past couple of years things are starting to turn in a good way.

Serbia is free democratic country and a lot of Turks come to Serbia, especially Belgrade for fun, and spa centers for relax and therapy. Because of medical services are quality and developed and not expensive Turks as Arabs and Europeans come as patients.

I told you all depends what you prefer. If you want to live in environment that has preserved a part of oriental heritage and it has quality of life Sarajevo and Tuzla are my recommendation. If you want to travel all countries who mentioned Bosnia, Serbia, Montenegro and Macedonia (ex Yugoslav republic) are beautiful and each has its charm. If you want modern urban atmosphere and life 100% per hour Belgrade is the best choice. If you want natural beauties mountains Jahorina and Bjelasnica in Bosnia, Stara Planina and Kopaonik in Serbia, Durmitor in Montenegro and Sar mountain in Macedonia are wonderful. If you like plains some ranches in Backa (Republic of Serbia) are amazing. If you want lakes Ohrid lake in Macedonia is by my taste. If you like sea whole Montenegro coast is beautiful and it has gorgeous scenery, especially I like Boka Kotorska bay.

There are a lot of magical places: for example in Bosnia: Bosnian wellhead (Sarajevo periphery), river Pliva and Pliva lakes (confluence at Jajce town), river Trebisnjica (especially at Trebinje in Republic of Serbian entity), in Serbia: river Uvac (between Zlatibor and Zlatar mountain), Djerdap gorge national park (above the river Danube), canyon of river Jerma (southeastern Serbia), Zasavica wetland (special natural reserve in Srem), in Montenegro: rivers Piva and Tara (these two rivers create Drina river), ecosystem of Scadar lake (part of this lake is in Albania), in Macedonia: Mavrovo national park (including Mavrovo lake and Bistra mountain), Prespa lake (on the border with Greece) etc. This is only sample (I visited all of them), there are many wonderful areas too.
 

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