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    Albanian propaganda, nothing more or less

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    Quote Originally Posted by LABERIA View Post
    It's a good thing that you know. I am very curious.
    I am curious too, or probably there were busy translating something.....


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    If they can do this to their own people imagine what they have done to cams.....nasty.


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    Quote Originally Posted by blevins13 View Post
    If they can do this to their own people imagine what they have done to cams.....nasty.


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    hahaha

    Chams? the goat breeders (from Chamois) that unite with Fasism and Nazism and execute innocent Greeks?




    you mean them Blevins?


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    On the future of Europe and European Boarders

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    hahaha

    Chams? the goat breeders (from Chamois) that unite with Fasism and Nazism and execute innocent Greeks?




    you mean them Blevins?


    and the anecdoton is that Xilia was saved by Communist rebel Party EAM
    Exactly....collaboration with nazism was called than, ethnic cleaning is call now days.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Yetos View Post
    hahaha

    Chams? the goat breeders (from Chamois) that unite with Fasism and Nazism and execute innocent Greeks?




    you mean them Blevins?


    and the anecdoton is that Xilia was saved by Communist rebel Party EAM
    I guess Jews had similar problem as well...happens to be in Greece..:itiful.
    http://www.jewishideasdaily.com/6341...alonikas-jews/



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    If this keeps up I'm going to start issuing infractions and then close the thread. Take it to the Balkans Disagreements thread and stop ruining half the threads on this site. ENOUGH!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    If this keeps up I'm going to start issuing infractions and then close the thread. Take it to the Balkans Disagreements thread and stop ruining half the threads on this site. ENOUGH!
    Angela guarda questo per capire de che sto parlando.... https://www.iene.mediaset.it/video/r...b21c81f1081d34


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    Quote Originally Posted by blevins13 View Post
    Angela guarda questo per capire de che sto parlando.... https://www.iene.mediaset.it/video/r...b21c81f1081d34


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    What a heart-breaking situation. Kudos to the Italian journalist for his compassion and for being furbo enough to figure out a way that this old man could see his childhood home. It had me crying as well. I could just imagine how I would feel if it were me. Some laws are meant to be broken.

    The stupidity of not reaching a legal agreement as to this matter is obvious. I honestly find it hard to believe, and honestly didn't know that there's been no formal "treaty" between the two countries. Could it really just be spite because the Albanian passport uses the Albanian name for his birthplace? Just out of compassion for its own people, couldn't the Albanian government issue passports to these people with the Greek name? One of these countries has to take the high road and be "bigger" about this nonsense. Or, the Albanian exiles could give up claims to the property which they left behind in return for some compensation from the Greek government . This is probably what most of this is about and why some jerk called the police. Someone else is living in the old man's house after all.

    It should apply to Greeks similarly affected as well. I don't know of a single conflict in history where one side was always noble and the other side evil. In my own area there were partisans who had noble goals and acted responsibly, and there were ones who were stupid and reckless and brought suffering on innocent people, or who just used the struggle as a means to bring about communism and kill anyone who didn't support that. Likewise, there were nominal fascists who were decent people and some who were monsters and willing accomplices to the Germans. People are infinitely complicated and more so in war time.

    I don't know what to tell you, Blevins. It's a mess between two governments, and individuals are caught in the middle and suffer.

    As much compassion as I have for the people caught up in this, it doesn't mean that we can allow every thread to be de-railed into a discussion of grievances between countries in the Balkans. That's why we created a separate thread for it. People have to use it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    What a heart-breaking situation. Kudos to the Italian journalist for his compassion and for being furbo enough to figure out a way that this old man could see his childhood home. It had me crying as well. I could just imagine how I would feel if it were me. Some laws are meant to be broken.

    The stupidity of not reaching a legal agreement as to this matter is obvious. I honestly find it hard to believe, and honestly didn't know that there's been no formal "treaty" between the two countries. Could it really just be spite because the Albanian passport uses the Albanian name for his birthplace? Just out of compassion for its own people, couldn't the Albanian government issue passports to these people with the Greek name? One of these countries has to take the high road and be "bigger" about this nonsense. Or, the Albanian exiles could give up claims to the property which they left behind in return for some compensation from the Greek government . This is probably what most of this is about and why some jerk called the police. Someone else is living in the old man's house after all.

    It should apply to Greeks similarly affected as well. I don't know of a single conflict in history where one side was always noble and the other side evil. In my own area there were partisans who had noble goals and acted responsibly, and there were ones who were stupid and reckless and brought suffering on innocent people, or who just used the struggle as a means to bring about communism and kill anyone who didn't support that. Likewise, there were nominal fascists who were decent people and some who were monsters and willing accomplices to the Germans. People are infinitely complicated and more so in war time.

    I don't know what to tell you, Blevins. It's a mess between two governments, and individuals are caught in the middle and suffer.

    As much compassion as I have for the people caught up in this, it doesn't mean that we can allow every thread to be de-railed into a discussion of grievances between countries in the Balkans. That's why we created a separate thread for it. People have to use it.
    Angela the point is that without healing the wounds of the past there will be no settlement between countries. Look at Catalunya the past is still haunting them, they want to separate.


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    Quote Originally Posted by blevins13 View Post
    I am curious too, or probably there were busy translating something.....
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    Probably i have asked the wrong person. Maybe others may have much more information.
    17 Dec.
    Paget to the Council.
    Now the Council's letters seem to imply (words quoted) that the King will keep no strangers save the Albanoys.
    Cales, 17 Dec. 1545. Signed.
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