Y-chromosomal analysis of Greek Cypriots

Sile, you could've quoted me as the source eh!

....Btw thats the J2 breakdown for Greek Cypriots.

i do not understand, who is azzurro elsewhere
 
ok

you have many more to put here then

I will once I am done with the entire groups, I have been sending my work to Maciamo, I am always hesitant to post my work here because as always here all my posts and opinions get heavily criticized, and Sile, out of respect quote me as the original source if your going to post my work. Grazie Mille
 
I will once I am done with the entire groups, I have been sending my work to Maciamo, I am always hesitant to post my work here because as always here all my posts and opinions get heavily criticized, and Sile, out of respect quote me as the original source if your going to post my work. Grazie Mille

Since I'm sure you're addressing me, I'll just point out that I've never criticized your collections of data. The interpretation of that data is where we sometimes differ. I don't know why that should be a problem. There's no point in debating in an echo chamber. Then nobody learns anything.

I'd be very interested to see the remaining data, as I'm sure would our other members.
 
Since I'm sure you're addressing me, I'll just point out that I've never criticized your collections of data. The interpretation of that data is where we sometimes differ. I don't know why that should be a problem. There's no point in debating in an echo chamber. Then nobody learns anything.

I'd be very interested to see the remaining data, as I'm sure would our other members.

It is not only you, I am going to post them all now.
 
I manually Nevgen Predicted all the Turkish Cypriot J2 from this study and there is 83:

The Breakdown according to the Nevgen Predictor:

1. J2a1-Z7700: 16 (J-F3133 on Yfull)
2. J2a1-M319: 11
3. J2a1-Z500: 11 (would be interesting to see how many are M92)
4. J2a1-PF5191: 11
5. J2a1-Z387: 7 (I think the breakdown would be interesting)
6. J2a1-Z6065: 6
7. J2a1-L210: 5
8. J2b-M205: 5
9. J2b-M241: 3 (All most likely under L283)
10. J2a2-PF5008: 3
11. J2a1-PF7431: 3
12. J2a1-S25258:1
13. J2a1-Z7671: 1

For Greek Cypriot J2 there was 102 samples, I nevgen predicted all of them as well.

Here is the Breakdown:

1. J2b-M205: 16
2. J2a1-Z387: 14
3. J2a1-M319: 13
4. J2a1-Z500: 12
5. J2a1-Z7700: 10 (J-F3133 on Yfull)
6. J2a1-PF5191: 7
7. J2a1-S25258: 7
8. J2a2-PF5008: 7
9. J2a1-L210: 6
10. J2b-M241: 4
11. J2a1-Z7671: 3
12. J2a1-Z6065: 3
 
For the Breakdown of J1 based on Nevgen predictors.

For Turkish Cypriots, the number is 37

1. J1-P58: 26
2. J1-Z1828: 9
3. J1-PF7263: 1
4. J1-PF7257: 1

For the Greek Cypriots, the number is 31

1. J1-P58: 28
2. J1-Z1828: 2
3. J1-PF7263: 1
 
For the Breakdown of Haplogroups T and L, based on Nevgen Predictors.

Turkish Cypriots had more T and L than Greek Cypriots, in fact almost 3x more T.

Greek Cypriot T, number is 5

1. T-L208: 4
2. T-Y11151: 1

Turkish Cypriot T, the number is 14

1. T-L208: 12
2. T-L131: 2

For Greek Cypriot L, the number is 4

1. L-L595: 2
2. L-M317: 2

For Turkish Cypriot L, the number is 6

1. L-M317: 3
2. L-M27: 2
3. L-M357: 1
 
For Turkish Cypriot E, the number is 86 and all are manually nevgen predicted

1. E-V13>Z5017: 26
2. E-M84: 18
3. E-V22: 12
4. E-V12>CTS693: 7
5. E-L791: 7
6. E-M81: 6
7. E-V12>V32: 4
8. E-V13>S7461: 3
9. E-V65: 1
10. E-M4225: 1 (E1b1a)
11. E-Y1623 : 1 (E1b1a)

For Greek Cypriot E, the number is 99

1. E-M84: 46
2. E-V13>Z5017>Z17264: 20
3. E-V22: 9
4. E-V13>S7461: 8
5. E-V13>Z5018>Y3183: 6
6. E-L791: 5
7. E-Z830: 3
8. E-M123 (xM34): 1
9. E-V12>CTS693: 1
 
For the Breakdown of G

As you see amongst Turkish Cypriots because of less markers the predictors are more broad than Greek Cypriots.

For Turkish Cypriot G, the number is 53

1. G-M406: 14
2. G-L497: 13
3. G-PF3147: 10
4. G-U1: 5
5. G-M342: 5 (G1)
6. G-Z274: 4
7. G-L293: 2

For Greek Cypriot G, the number is 44

1. G-U1: 8
2. G-L497>CTS4803: 7
3. G-PF3147: 7
4. G-L293: 4
5. G-PF3359: 4 (Not found in Turkish Cypriots)
6. G-Z274: 4
7. G-M406>Z17887: 3
8. G-M406>L14: 3
9. G-M406>M3302: 2
10. G-M342: 1 (G1)
11. G-L497>L43
 
For Haplogroup I2 breakdown, it is much higher in Turkish Cypriots than Greek Cypriots.

For Turkish Cypriot I2, the number is 26

1. I-P37: 18
2. I-L596: 4 (I2c)
3. I-M223: 4

For Greek Cypriot I2, the number is 9

1. I-P37: 6
2. I-L596: 2 (I2c)
3. I-M223: 1
 
For R1b and R1a, like I said at Anthrogenica the nevgen calculator does not give a detailed report, so I looked at modal and ftdna to manually compare.

For R1a all of the Greek Cypriot R1a was under R1a-Z280>CTS1211 and in Turkish Cypriots it was all of them under the same subclade except one who was R1a-Z93.

For the R1b

In Turkish Cypriots

1. R1b-Z2103: 19
2. R1b-V88: 7

In Greek Cypriots

1. R1b-Z2103: 31
2. R1b-V88: 10
 
I manually Nevgen Predicted all the Turkish Cypriot J2 from this study and there is 83:

The Breakdown according to the Nevgen Predictor:

1. J2a1-Z7700: 16 (J-F3133 on Yfull)
2. J2a1-M319: 11
3. J2a1-Z500: 11 (would be interesting to see how many are M92)
4. J2a1-PF5191: 11
5. J2a1-Z387: 7 (I think the breakdown would be interesting)
6. J2a1-Z6065: 6
7. J2a1-L210: 5
8. J2b-M205: 5
9. J2b-M241: 3 (All most likely under L283)
10. J2a2-PF5008: 3
11. J2a1-PF7431: 3
12. J2a1-S25258:1
13. J2a1-Z7671: 1

For Greek Cypriot J2 there was 102 samples, I nevgen predicted all of them as well.

Here is the Breakdown:

1. J2b-M205: 16
2. J2a1-Z387: 14
3. J2a1-M319: 13
4. J2a1-Z500: 12
5. J2a1-Z7700: 10 (J-F3133 on Yfull)
6. J2a1-PF5191: 7
7. J2a1-S25258: 7
8. J2a2-PF5008: 7
9. J2a1-L210: 6
10. J2b-M241: 4
11. J2a1-Z7671: 3
12. J2a1-Z6065: 3

Interesting:

J2b-M205 is much higher in Greek Cypriots than in Turkish Cypriots even taking into account the larger number of Greek Cypriot results, yes? (16 versus 5) In fact it's the yline with the highest frequency in Greek Cypriots.

From the pie chart, there's very little J2b in Turkey, so I think that's pretty significant.

J2a1-Z387 is also more frequent in Greek Cypriots. (14 to 7)

Z7700 is quite a bit higher in Turkish Cypriots than in Greek Cypriots even though there are fewer Turkish Cypriot samples (16 to 10). The same for PF 5191 (11 to 7).

Do we have an age range for these above? Do we know where they're most frequent.

M319 is about the same.

Z500 is about the same.
 
For the Breakdown of J1 based on Nevgen predictors.

For Turkish Cypriots, the number is 37

1. J1-P58: 26
2. J1-Z1828: 9
3. J1-PF7263: 1
4. J1-PF7257: 1

For the Greek Cypriots, the number is 31

1. J1-P58: 28
2. J1-Z1828: 2
3. J1-PF7263: 1

I think it's a draw, yes?
 
For the Breakdown of Haplogroups T and L, based on Nevgen Predictors.

Turkish Cypriots had more T and L than Greek Cypriots, in fact almost 3x more T.

Greek Cypriot T, number is 5

1. T-L208: 4
2. T-Y11151: 1

Turkish Cypriot T, the number is 14

1. T-L208: 12
2. T-L131: 2

For Greek Cypriot L, the number is 4

1. L-L595: 2
2. L-M317: 2

For Turkish Cypriot L, the number is 6

1. L-M317: 3
2. L-M27: 2
3. L-M357: 1

Why would Turkish Cypriots have 3X more T? I would have guessed T was Neolithic or at least Bronze Age, so why would Greek Cypriots have so much less?
 
For Turkish Cypriot E, the number is 86 and all are manually nevgen predicted

1. E-V13>Z5017: 26
2. E-M84: 18
3. E-V22: 12
4. E-V12>CTS693: 7
5. E-L791: 7
6. E-M81: 6
7. E-V12>V32: 4
8. E-V13>S7461: 3
9. E-V65: 1
10. E-M4225: 1 (E1b1a)
11. E-Y1623 : 1 (E1b1a)

For Greek Cypriot E, the number is 99

1. E-M84: 46
2. E-V13>Z5017>Z17264: 20
3. E-V22: 9
4. E-V13>S7461: 8
5. E-V13>Z5018>Y3183: 6
6. E-L791: 5
7. E-Z830: 3
8. E-M123 (xM34): 1
9. E-V12>CTS693: 1

Interesting: E-V13 and E-M84 are the most frequent in both, but GC has way more E-M84 (46 to 18). So, if we're positing some actual gene flow from the Turks into Cyprus E-M84 was not a significant factor in that flow. It was probably there earlier, yes?

If you add up the E-V13, it seems about equal. E-V22 is roughly the same, and then you get into smaller percentages that could just be sampling.
 
For the Breakdown of G

As you see amongst Turkish Cypriots because of less markers the predictors are more broad than Greek Cypriots.

For Turkish Cypriot G, the number is 53

1. G-M406: 14
2. G-L497: 13
3. G-PF3147: 10
4. G-U1: 5
5. G-M342: 5 (G1)
6. G-Z274: 4
7. G-L293: 2

For Greek Cypriot G, the number is 44

1. G-U1: 8
2. G-L497>CTS4803: 7
3. G-PF3147: 7
4. G-L293: 4
5. G-PF3359: 4 (Not found in Turkish Cypriots)
6. G-Z274: 4
7. G-M406>Z17887: 3
8. G-M406>L14: 3
9. G-M406>M3302: 2
10. G-M342: 1 (G1)
11. G-L497>L43

We have a bit of a difference here.

M406:
TC (14)
GC (8)

L497 is also higher in TC:
TC (13)
GC (8)

and PF3187:
TC (10)
GC (7)

Again, do we have dates, frequency for these?
 
For Haplogroup I2 breakdown, it is much higher in Turkish Cypriots than Greek Cypriots.

For Turkish Cypriot I2, the number is 26

1. I-P37: 18
2. I-L596: 4 (I2c)
3. I-M223: 4

For Greek Cypriot I2, the number is 9

1. I-P37: 6
2. I-L596: 2 (I2c)
3. I-M223: 1

Well, that's a bit of a surprise.
 
For R1b and R1a, like I said at Anthrogenica the nevgen calculator does not give a detailed report, so I looked at modal and ftdna to manually compare.

For R1a all of the Greek Cypriot R1a was under R1a-Z280>CTS1211 and in Turkish Cypriots it was all of them under the same subclade except one who was R1a-Z93.

For the R1b

In Turkish Cypriots

1. R1b-Z2103: 19
2. R1b-V88: 7

In Greek Cypriots

1. R1b-Z2103: 31
2. R1b-V88: 10

So, I guess we could say not really "western" R1b. It's the Yamnaya clade. It's also found in southern Italy*.

As for the R1a, no Z93, which I had thought we'd find.

Where is the total R1a for the two groups?

I hate to ask this after all the work that you did, but you're sure it's M558?

If it is, it's recent in the area and came from Greece, along with E-V13 probably.

The R1b came either from the Balkans/Greece or from Anatolia.

If the R1a in Greece is similar, my money is now on R1b Z2103 for the Mycenaean signature.

The only result I truly don't get is the I2a being so high in the Turkish Cypriots versus the Greek Cypriots. Well, maybe the T and some of the G2a as well.

Thanks for all the work Azzurro. Very interesting.

Ed. * along with western R1b, which is not found in Cyprus if this is correct.
 
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