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    Quote Originally Posted by I1a3_Young View Post
    After looking over the I1 trees more carefully, it appears that Z58, while being more popular in german tribes that migrated to the UK, does have significant branches that are "Nordic."

    The Z59 branch, which is a large component of Z58, has many Nordic subclades including Z382 which is upstream of what was found in one of these Poland samples.
    Well, actually Those Nordic branches could have originated from Jutland, so it could be the case for other clades that are spread in the eastern and southern part of Europe. Under Z59 is I1-FGC24357 clade which has TMRCA at 1750 ybp and it descendants live today in Sardinia, Stockholm and England. Another subclade Y3560 that has TMRCA at 2300 ybp is found in Bulgaria and Slovenia. By now it looks like signatures of Goths and Vandals.

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    The other cade L1237 under Z63 has TMRCA at 2900 ybp it is spread from Russia to Italy and Great Britain it corresponds with spread of Pomeranian culture in Poland. It actually supports theory that Germanic folks settled in Poland way before emergence of Wielbark culture.

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    Quote Originally Posted by matbir View Post
    Well, actually Those Nordic branches could have originated from Jutland, so it could be the case for other clades that are spread in the eastern and southern part of Europe. Under Z59 is I1-FGC24357 clade which has TMRCA at 1750 ybp and it descendants live today in Sardinia, Stockholm and England. Another subclade Y3560 that has TMRCA at 2300 ybp is found in Bulgaria and Slovenia. By now it looks like signatures of Goths and Vandals.

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    The other cade L1237 under Z63 has TMRCA at 2900 ybp it is spread from Russia to Italy and Great Britain it corresponds with spread of Pomeranian culture in Poland. It actually supports theory that Germanic folks settled in Poland way before emergence of Wielbark culture.
    Sorry, I used the word Nordic instead of Scandinavian. I certainly think that it's a strong possibility that Z58 appeared first in Denmark or south Sweden and had major branches in both directions.

    Z63 branches of all types were spread by the eastern wandering Gothic tribes and also the western migrators to the British Isles.

    I know we call the Gothics German but is that completely accurate? How about the Angles/Saxons/Jutes? Are the Danes the official border of Scandinavians despite the proximity and similarity of the aforementioned "Germanic" tribes?

    We know a Germanic people were in Wielbark at a specific time but that part of Europe was highly volatile regarding populations. That is the fun of European history. If the mysteries we're all solved then we would be out of a hobby.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tomenable View Post
    Analysis of Iron Age and Early Medieval Polish genomes:

    http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthre...l=1#post252846

    PCA with two Iron Age and one Early Medieval samples:

    Interesting how Carpathian-Rusyns plot on this chart, in comparison to other Poles. Thanks for sharing

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    KO25 and 55 plot perfect for Z63 zone, straddling the German/Scandinavian border.

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    Quote Originally Posted by I1a3_Young View Post
    KO25 and 55 plot perfect for Z63 zone, straddling the German/Scandinavian border.

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    Yep, quite few clues now point to Scandinavian origin of Wielbark, at least one of populations of Wielbark.
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    Comparing Kit xxxxxxx and M070872 (Kowalewko_22)

    Largest segment = 31.8 cM
    Total of segments > 7 cM = 77.7 cM
    3 matching segments

    9626 SNPs used for this comparison.

    Comparison took 0.39881 seconds.

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    Comparing Kit xxxxxxx and M518184 (Mas_5)

    Largest segment = 21.9 cM
    Total of segments > 7 cM = 21.9 cM
    1 matching segments

    10519 SNPs used for this comparison.

    Comparison took 0.23592 seconds.

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    Comparing Kit xxxxxxx and T533353 (mar7)

    Largest segment = 14.6 cM
    Total of segments > 7 cM = 82.4 cM
    7 matching segments

    18745 SNPs used for this comparison.

    Comparison took 0.25097 seconds.

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    Comparing Kit xxxxxxx and T855386 (Kow_26)


    ‚ÄčLargest segment = 47.0 cM
    Total of segments > 7 cM = 47.0 cM
    1 matching segments

    6382 SNPs used for this comparison.

    Comparison took 0.30252 seconds.

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