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    Quote Originally Posted by mlukas View Post
    Wow. Could you send me by PM your gedmatch number? Those sample are too low-coveraged to be in one-to-many so I have no idea they match with Finns!

    I will think about it, I have problems trusting some Poles in the anthroboards even tough I like Poland a lot as a country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ukko View Post
    I will think about it, I have problems trusting some Poles in the anthroboards even tough I like Poland a lot as a country.
    I tried to check some random Finnish kits which I have, for now no matches. But I think you can't be only one Finn who has such connection. Can you check your few close matches for it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ukko View Post
    M765384 Niemcza_34 does not work for me, it cant find the sample from the database.
    You can try again, maybe tokenization was in progress when you checked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mlukas View Post
    I tried to check some random Finnish kits which I have, for now no matches. But I think you can't be only one Finn who has such connection. Can you check your few close matches for it?
    You are positive I cant have messed something up myself? I will try the matches.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mlukas View Post
    You can try again, maybe tokenization was in progress when you checked.
    Comparing Kit xxxxxx and M765384 (Niemcza_34)

    Largest segment = 12.9 cM
    Total of segments > 7 cM = 96.8 cM
    9 matching segments

    31874 SNPs used for this comparison.

    Comparison took 0.27509 seconds.

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    I found the reason, I always change the SNP count up to 700 but was using 70! by mistake.

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    Hi Ukko,
    So what is the result when you make comparison properly?

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    Quote Originally Posted by matbir View Post
    Hi Ukko,
    So what is the result when you make comparison properly?
    I have never matched any ancient sample with 700 SNPs, 7 cM setting, I took the settings from some DNA blog.

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    What do you get when you take the SNPs down?

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    Any sample from Roman era?

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    Quote Originally Posted by noman View Post
    Any sample from Roman era?
    There were some sequenced from England, Roman Era, but I'm not sure if they are on Gedmatch. Nothing yet from early Rome to have an idea about Latin founders, or Etruscans. Except maybe mt.DNA.
    Be wary of people who tend to glorify the past, underestimate the present, and demonize the future.

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    My new uploads.

    A recent study about Korean population, it was based on Devils Gate samples.

    Genome-wide data from two early Neolithic East Asian individuals dating to 7700 years ago


    M536350 MOS_5
    M227040 MOS_4


    MDLP K16 for MOS_4

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 Siberian 50.43
    2 SouthEastAsian 30.17
    3 Amerindian 9.18
    4 Arctic 5.97
    5 Oceanic 4.25

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Buryat (Buryatia) 12.11
    2 Oroqen (Heilongjiang ) 13.08
    3 Nivkh (Sakhalin) 13.32
    4 Ulchi (Khabarovsk) 13.63
    5 Tuvinian (Tuva) 14.65
    6 Kalmyk (Kalmykia) 15.31
    7 Mongolian (Mongolia) 15.54
    8 Mongol (Khalkha) 16.13
    9 Altaian (Altai) 19
    10 Yakut (Yakutia) 19.81
    11 Hezhen (Heilongjiang) 20.63
    12 Daur (Inner_Mongolia) 20.96
    13 Kyrgyz (Alichur) 22.21
    14 Kyrgyz (Naryn) 22.94
    15 Kyrgyz (Tong) 23.05
    16 Kyrgyz (Kyrgyzstan) 23.28
    17 Evenk (Evenk) 23.68
    18 Kazakh (CentralKazakhstan) 25.83
    19 Kazakh (Kazakhstan) 26.46
    20 Even (Sakha) 27.03

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 90.2% Oroqen (Heilongjiang ) + 9.8% Wichi (NA) @ 6.24
    2 90% Oroqen (Heilongjiang ) + 10% Pima (NA) @ 6.28
    3 90.3% Oroqen (Heilongjiang ) + 9.7% Mixe (NA) @ 6.31
    4 90.1% Oroqen (Heilongjiang ) + 9.9% Mixtec (NA) @ 6.31
    5 90.1% Oroqen (Heilongjiang ) + 9.9% Colla (NA) @ 6.32
    6 90% Oroqen (Heilongjiang ) + 10% Cachi (NA) @ 6.32
    7 90.1% Oroqen (Heilongjiang ) + 9.9% Zapotec (NA) @ 6.36
    8 90.5% Oroqen (Heilongjiang ) + 9.5% Piapoco (NA) @ 6.37
    9 90.4% Oroqen (Heilongjiang ) + 9.6% Surui (NA) @ 6.37
    10 89.9% Oroqen (Heilongjiang ) + 10.1% Mayan (NA) @ 6.37
    11 90.5% Oroqen (Heilongjiang ) + 9.5% Karitiana (NA) @ 6.38
    12 89.8% Oroqen (Heilongjiang ) + 10.2% Quechua (NA) @ 6.38
    13 89.9% Oroqen (Heilongjiang ) + 10.1% Bolivian (Cochabamba) @ 6.39
    14 86.3% Oroqen (Heilongjiang ) + 13.7% Athabask (NA) @ 6.62
    15 90.8% Ulchi (Khabarovsk) + 9.2% Karitiana (NA) @ 8.13
    16 90.8% Ulchi (Khabarovsk) + 9.2% Piapoco (NA) @ 8.14
    17 90.8% Ulchi (Khabarovsk) + 9.2% Surui (NA) @ 8.15
    18 90.8% Ulchi (Khabarovsk) + 9.2% Mixe (NA) @ 8.16
    19 90.5% Ulchi (Khabarovsk) + 9.5% Zapotec (NA) @ 8.16
    20 90.5% Ulchi (Khabarovsk) + 9.5% Mixtec (NA) @ 8.17



    MDLP K16 for MOS_5

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 Siberian 59.17
    2 SouthEastAsian 28.93
    3 Steppe 4.25
    4 Arctic 3.64
    5 Oceanic 2.46
    6 Neolithic 1.55

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Ulchi (Khabarovsk) 9.37
    2 Oroqen (Heilongjiang ) 9.84
    3 Buryat (Buryatia) 10.03
    4 Tuvinian (Tuva) 13.06
    5 Yakut (Yakutia) 13.07
    6 Nivkh (Sakhalin) 15.45
    7 Evenk (Evenk) 15.93
    8 Kalmyk (Kalmykia) 16.69
    9 Mongol (Khalkha) 18.65
    10 Mongolian (Mongolia) 18.77
    11 Even (Sakha) 19.82
    12 Sakha (Yakutia) 20.52
    13 Even (Even) 21.38
    14 Altaian (Altai) 21.7
    15 Daur (Inner_Mongolia) 23.2
    16 Hezhen (Heilongjiang) 23.4
    17 Dolgan (Taymyr) 25.07
    18 Even (Magadan) 25.91
    19 Kyrgyz (Alichur) 26.55
    20 Kyrgyz (Naryn) 26.78

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 53.2% Sakha (Yakutia) + 46.8% Daur (Inner_Mongolia) @ 4.55
    2 53.4% Sakha (Yakutia) + 46.6% Hezhen (Heilongjiang) @ 4.72
    3 69.9% Oroqen (Heilongjiang ) + 30.1% Sakha (Yakutia) @ 4.78
    4 70.9% Sakha (Yakutia) + 29.1% Korean (Korea) @ 4.81
    5 70.4% Sakha (Yakutia) + 29.6% Japanese (Japan) @ 4.85
    6 63.7% Sakha (Yakutia) + 36.3% Xibo (Xinjiang) @ 4.88
    7 66.5% Sakha (Yakutia) + 33.5% Mongola (Inner_Mongolia) @ 4.89
    8 80.1% Sakha (Yakutia) + 19.9% Igorot (Philippines) @ 4.94
    9 77.6% Sakha (Yakutia) + 22.4% Miao (Guizhou) @ 4.98
    10 77.1% Sakha (Yakutia) + 22.9% Han (China) @ 4.99
    11 76.5% Sakha (Yakutia) + 23.5% Tujia (Hubei) @ 5
    12 77.9% Sakha (Yakutia) + 22.1% She (Zhejiang) @ 5.01
    13 72.7% Sakha (Yakutia) + 27.3% Naxi (Yunnan) @ 5.02
    14 64.2% Oroqen (Heilongjiang ) + 35.8% Evenk (Evenk) @ 5.07
    15 73.3% Sakha (Yakutia) + 26.7% Yi (Yunnan) @ 5.07
    16 69.9% Sakha (Yakutia) + 30.1% Tu (Qinghai) @ 5.17
    17 74.6% Oroqen (Heilongjiang ) + 25.4% Dolgan (Taymyr) @ 5.18
    18 80.7% Sakha (Yakutia) + 19.3% Ami (Taiwan) @ 5.21
    19 79.5% Sakha (Yakutia) + 20.5% Luzon (Philippines) @ 5.25
    20 78.3% Sakha (Yakutia) + 21.7% Vietnamese (CentralVietnam) @ 5.27

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    From "Genomic insights into the peopling of the Southwest Pacific"

    http://www.nature.com/nature/journal...tcallback=true

    Not very good, they have some "Euro" noise.

    M164880 Lapita_Vanuatu_I1369
    M249344 Lapita_Tonga_CP30
    M220378 Lapita_Vanuatu_I1368
    M924831 Lapita_Vanuatu_I1370

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    From: Ancestry, demography, and descendants of Iron Age nomads of the Eurasian Steppe
    https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms14615

    Scythians and Sarmatians

    T265461 Be9_I05622 Berel’, Kazakhstan Pazyryk 4th–3rd c. BCE
    M362842 Be11_I0563,Berel’, Kazakhstan Pazyryk 4th–3rd c. BCE


    M344946 PR9_I0574, Pokrovka, Russia EarlySarmatian 5th–2nd c. BCE
    M084152 PR3_I0575 , Pokrovka, Russia EarlySarmatian 5th–2nd c. BCE
    M837055 A17_I0576, Arzhan, Russia AldyBel 7th–6th c. BCE


    M446756 A10_I0577, Arzhan, Russia AldyBel 7th–6th c. BCE


    M456377 Is2 Ismailovo, Russia Zevakino-Chilikta 9th–7th c. BCE
    T866391 Ze6 Zevakino, Russia Zevakino-Chilikta 9th–7th c. BCE
    Last edited by mlukas; 27-07-17 at 21:05.

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    Does anyone know if Greek Neolithic samples are available on GEDmatch? There was a payper depicting Greek (Peloponnese?) Early Neolithic as very Natufian/Levant Neolithic like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeBrok View Post
    Does anyone know if Greek Neolithic samples are available on GEDmatch? There was a payper depicting Greek (Peloponnese?) Early Neolithic as very Natufian/Levant Neolithic like.
    From Hofmanova

    Z732775 klei10
    Z394045 Rev5 Revenia, Central Greece 6438–6264 BCE

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    Quote Originally Posted by mlukas View Post
    From Hofmanova

    Z732775 klei10
    Z394045 Rev5 Revenia, Central Greece 6438–6264 BCE

    Thanks, both fairly good samples. Klei10 is 4500 BC they say, late neolithic.

    Now, let us get these Bronze Age Greeks from latest paper. :)

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    Are genomes of ancient Egyptian and Lebanese available to upload to gedmatch? If yes, can someone be so kind and do it. :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by mlukas View Post
    My new uploads.

    A recent study about Korean population, it was based on Devils Gate samples.

    Genome-wide data from two early Neolithic East Asian individuals dating to 7700 years ago


    M536350 MOS_5
    M227040 MOS_4
    These are both lower quality, but together give us some understanding of their admixtures. Dated to 7.7 kya. Actually, these are not really Neolithic samples but Mesolithic hunter gatherers.
    Scientists often date by european dating standards but not by cultural development, which is more important.

    There are some problems with the three-age-system applied to the situation in Korea. This terminology was created for the situation in prehistoric Europe, where sedentism, pottery and agriculture go together to characterize the Neolithic stage. The periodization scheme used by Korean archaeologists proposes that the Neolithic began in 8000 BCE and lasted until 1500 BCE. This is despite the fact that palaeoethnobotanicalstudies indicate that the first bona fide cultivation did not begin until circa 3500 BCE. The period of 8000 to 3500 BCE corresponds to the Mesolithic cultural stage, dominated by hunting and gathering of both terrestrial and marine resources.[2]
    Korean archaeologists traditionally (until the 1990s) used a date of 1500 or 1000 BCE as the beginning of the Bronze Age. This is in spite of Bronze technology not being adopted in the southern portion of the Korean Peninsula until circa 700 BCE, and the archaeological record indicates that bronze objects were not used in relatively large numbers until after 400 BCE. This does leave Korea with a proper Bronze Age, albeit a relatively short one, Bronze metallurgy beginning to be replaced by ferrous metallurgy soon after it had become widespread.[3]




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    posted by lukaszM on anthrogenica


    M740087 I2499 Ba_Anatolia K1a2

    M172896 I2937 Greece_N K1a26


    M796833 I0070 Minoan H13a1a J2a1d
    M715422 I0073 Minoan H1af1a J2a1


    M209270 I9006 Mycenaean X2d1
    M472594 I9010 Mycenaean X2
    M665102 I9033 Mycenaean H7a2
    M866617 I9041 Mycenaean X2 J2a1

    M293012 I9123 Crete Armenoi U5a1

    http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthre...l=1#post270619

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pratt View Post
    posted by lukaszM on anthrogenica


    M740087 I2499 Ba_Anatolia K1a2

    M172896 I2937 Greece_N K1a26


    M796833 I0070 Minoan H13a1a J2a1d
    M715422 I0073 Minoan H1af1a J2a1


    M209270 I9006 Mycenaean X2d1
    M472594 I9010 Mycenaean X2
    M665102 I9033 Mycenaean H7a2
    M866617 I9041 Mycenaean X2 J2a1

    M293012 I9123 Crete Armenoi U5a1

    http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthre...l=1#post270619
    These kits used to work, but now says ERROR: Kit number not found.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IronSide View Post
    These kits used to work, but now says ERROR: Kit number not found.

    I think some kits have been deleted. I do not know the reason. You should ask mlukas who had uploaded them to Gedmatch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pratt View Post
    I think some kits have been deleted. I do not know the reason. You should ask mlukas who had uploaded them to Gedmatch.
    Where did he obtain them from?

    Edit: Okay, I see you can get it from here: https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/datasets

    Genotypes of ancient individuals analyzed in Lazaridis et al. Nature 2017

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    All but one from the Mycenaean/Minoan study, ever notice that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jovialis View Post
    Where did he obtain them from?

    Edit: Okay, I see you can get it from here: https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/datasets

    Genotypes of ancient individuals analyzed in Lazaridis et al. Nature 2017
    Exactly from there but are not released in a format suitable for uploading to Gedmatch, they must be converted.

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