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Originally Posted by mlukas
I will think about it, I have problems trusting some Poles in the anthroboards even tough I like Poland a lot as a country.
I tried to check some random Finnish kits which I have, for now no matches. But I think you can't be only one Finn who has such connection. Can you check your few close matches for it?
You can try again, maybe tokenization was in progress when you checked.
You are positive I cant have messed something up myself? I will try the matches.
Comparing Kit xxxxxx and M765384 (Niemcza_34)
Largest segment = 12.9 cM
Total of segments > 7 cM = 96.8 cM
9 matching segments
31874 SNPs used for this comparison.
Comparison took 0.27509 seconds.
I found the reason, I always change the SNP count up to 700 but was using 70! by mistake.
Hi Ukko,
So what is the result when you make comparison properly?
I have never matched any ancient sample with 700 SNPs, 7 cM setting, I took the settings from some DNA blog.
What do you get when you take the SNPs down?
Any sample from Roman era?
There were some sequenced from England, Roman Era, but I'm not sure if they are on Gedmatch. Nothing yet from early Rome to have an idea about Latin founders, or Etruscans. Except maybe mt.DNA.
Be wary of people who tend to glorify the past, underestimate the present, and demonize the future.
My new uploads.
A recent study about Korean population, it was based on Devils Gate samples.
Genome-wide data from two early Neolithic East Asian individuals dating to 7700 years ago
M536350 MOS_5
M227040 MOS_4
MDLP K16 for MOS_4
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 Siberian 50.43
2 SouthEastAsian 30.17
3 Amerindian 9.18
4 Arctic 5.97
5 Oceanic 4.25
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Buryat (Buryatia) 12.11
2 Oroqen (Heilongjiang ) 13.08
3 Nivkh (Sakhalin) 13.32
4 Ulchi (Khabarovsk) 13.63
5 Tuvinian (Tuva) 14.65
6 Kalmyk (Kalmykia) 15.31
7 Mongolian (Mongolia) 15.54
8 Mongol (Khalkha) 16.13
9 Altaian (Altai) 19
10 Yakut (Yakutia) 19.81
11 Hezhen (Heilongjiang) 20.63
12 Daur (Inner_Mongolia) 20.96
13 Kyrgyz (Alichur) 22.21
14 Kyrgyz (Naryn) 22.94
15 Kyrgyz (Tong) 23.05
16 Kyrgyz (Kyrgyzstan) 23.28
17 Evenk (Evenk) 23.68
18 Kazakh (CentralKazakhstan) 25.83
19 Kazakh (Kazakhstan) 26.46
20 Even (Sakha) 27.03
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 90.2% Oroqen (Heilongjiang ) + 9.8% Wichi (NA) @ 6.24
2 90% Oroqen (Heilongjiang ) + 10% Pima (NA) @ 6.28
3 90.3% Oroqen (Heilongjiang ) + 9.7% Mixe (NA) @ 6.31
4 90.1% Oroqen (Heilongjiang ) + 9.9% Mixtec (NA) @ 6.31
5 90.1% Oroqen (Heilongjiang ) + 9.9% Colla (NA) @ 6.32
6 90% Oroqen (Heilongjiang ) + 10% Cachi (NA) @ 6.32
7 90.1% Oroqen (Heilongjiang ) + 9.9% Zapotec (NA) @ 6.36
8 90.5% Oroqen (Heilongjiang ) + 9.5% Piapoco (NA) @ 6.37
9 90.4% Oroqen (Heilongjiang ) + 9.6% Surui (NA) @ 6.37
10 89.9% Oroqen (Heilongjiang ) + 10.1% Mayan (NA) @ 6.37
11 90.5% Oroqen (Heilongjiang ) + 9.5% Karitiana (NA) @ 6.38
12 89.8% Oroqen (Heilongjiang ) + 10.2% Quechua (NA) @ 6.38
13 89.9% Oroqen (Heilongjiang ) + 10.1% Bolivian (Cochabamba) @ 6.39
14 86.3% Oroqen (Heilongjiang ) + 13.7% Athabask (NA) @ 6.62
15 90.8% Ulchi (Khabarovsk) + 9.2% Karitiana (NA) @ 8.13
16 90.8% Ulchi (Khabarovsk) + 9.2% Piapoco (NA) @ 8.14
17 90.8% Ulchi (Khabarovsk) + 9.2% Surui (NA) @ 8.15
18 90.8% Ulchi (Khabarovsk) + 9.2% Mixe (NA) @ 8.16
19 90.5% Ulchi (Khabarovsk) + 9.5% Zapotec (NA) @ 8.16
20 90.5% Ulchi (Khabarovsk) + 9.5% Mixtec (NA) @ 8.17
MDLP K16 for MOS_5
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 Siberian 59.17
2 SouthEastAsian 28.93
3 Steppe 4.25
4 Arctic 3.64
5 Oceanic 2.46
6 Neolithic 1.55
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Ulchi (Khabarovsk) 9.37
2 Oroqen (Heilongjiang ) 9.84
3 Buryat (Buryatia) 10.03
4 Tuvinian (Tuva) 13.06
5 Yakut (Yakutia) 13.07
6 Nivkh (Sakhalin) 15.45
7 Evenk (Evenk) 15.93
8 Kalmyk (Kalmykia) 16.69
9 Mongol (Khalkha) 18.65
10 Mongolian (Mongolia) 18.77
11 Even (Sakha) 19.82
12 Sakha (Yakutia) 20.52
13 Even (Even) 21.38
14 Altaian (Altai) 21.7
15 Daur (Inner_Mongolia) 23.2
16 Hezhen (Heilongjiang) 23.4
17 Dolgan (Taymyr) 25.07
18 Even (Magadan) 25.91
19 Kyrgyz (Alichur) 26.55
20 Kyrgyz (Naryn) 26.78
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 53.2% Sakha (Yakutia) + 46.8% Daur (Inner_Mongolia) @ 4.55
2 53.4% Sakha (Yakutia) + 46.6% Hezhen (Heilongjiang) @ 4.72
3 69.9% Oroqen (Heilongjiang ) + 30.1% Sakha (Yakutia) @ 4.78
4 70.9% Sakha (Yakutia) + 29.1% Korean (Korea) @ 4.81
5 70.4% Sakha (Yakutia) + 29.6% Japanese (Japan) @ 4.85
6 63.7% Sakha (Yakutia) + 36.3% Xibo (Xinjiang) @ 4.88
7 66.5% Sakha (Yakutia) + 33.5% Mongola (Inner_Mongolia) @ 4.89
8 80.1% Sakha (Yakutia) + 19.9% Igorot (Philippines) @ 4.94
9 77.6% Sakha (Yakutia) + 22.4% Miao (Guizhou) @ 4.98
10 77.1% Sakha (Yakutia) + 22.9% Han (China) @ 4.99
11 76.5% Sakha (Yakutia) + 23.5% Tujia (Hubei) @ 5
12 77.9% Sakha (Yakutia) + 22.1% She (Zhejiang) @ 5.01
13 72.7% Sakha (Yakutia) + 27.3% Naxi (Yunnan) @ 5.02
14 64.2% Oroqen (Heilongjiang ) + 35.8% Evenk (Evenk) @ 5.07
15 73.3% Sakha (Yakutia) + 26.7% Yi (Yunnan) @ 5.07
16 69.9% Sakha (Yakutia) + 30.1% Tu (Qinghai) @ 5.17
17 74.6% Oroqen (Heilongjiang ) + 25.4% Dolgan (Taymyr) @ 5.18
18 80.7% Sakha (Yakutia) + 19.3% Ami (Taiwan) @ 5.21
19 79.5% Sakha (Yakutia) + 20.5% Luzon (Philippines) @ 5.25
20 78.3% Sakha (Yakutia) + 21.7% Vietnamese (CentralVietnam) @ 5.27
From "Genomic insights into the peopling of the Southwest Pacific"
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal...tcallback=true
Not very good, they have some "Euro" noise.
M164880 Lapita_Vanuatu_I1369
M249344 Lapita_Tonga_CP30
M220378 Lapita_Vanuatu_I1368
M924831 Lapita_Vanuatu_I1370
From: Ancestry, demography, and descendants of Iron Age nomads of the Eurasian Steppe
https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms14615
Scythians and Sarmatians
T265461 Be9_I05622 Berel’, Kazakhstan Pazyryk 4th–3rd c. BCE M362842 Be11_I0563,Berel’, Kazakhstan Pazyryk 4th–3rd c. BCE
M344946 PR9_I0574, Pokrovka, Russia EarlySarmatian 5th–2nd c. BCE M084152 PR3_I0575 , Pokrovka, Russia EarlySarmatian 5th–2nd c. BCE
M837055 A17_I0576, Arzhan, Russia AldyBel 7th–6th c. BCE
M446756 A10_I0577, Arzhan, Russia AldyBel 7th–6th c. BCE
M456377 Is2 Ismailovo, Russia Zevakino-Chilikta 9th–7th c. BCE T866391 Ze6 Zevakino, Russia Zevakino-Chilikta 9th–7th c. BCE
Last edited by Lukas; 27-07-17 at 21:05.
Does anyone know if Greek Neolithic samples are available on GEDmatch? There was a payper depicting Greek (Peloponnese?) Early Neolithic as very Natufian/Levant Neolithic like.
From Hofmanova
Z732775 klei10
Z394045 Rev5 Revenia, Central Greece 6438–6264 BCE
Thanks, both fairly good samples. Klei10 is 4500 BC they say, late neolithic.
Now, let us get these Bronze Age Greeks from latest paper. :)
Are genomes of ancient Egyptian and Lebanese available to upload to gedmatch? If yes, can someone be so kind and do it. :)
These are both lower quality, but together give us some understanding of their admixtures. Dated to 7.7 kya. Actually, these are not really Neolithic samples but Mesolithic hunter gatherers.
Scientists often date by european dating standards but not by cultural development, which is more important.
There are some problems with the three-age-system applied to the situation in Korea. This terminology was created for the situation in prehistoric Europe, where sedentism, pottery and agriculture go together to characterize the Neolithic stage. The periodization scheme used by Korean archaeologists proposes that the Neolithic began in 8000 BCE and lasted until 1500 BCE. This is despite the fact that palaeoethnobotanicalstudies indicate that the first bona fide cultivation did not begin until circa 3500 BCE. The period of 8000 to 3500 BCE corresponds to the Mesolithic cultural stage, dominated by hunting and gathering of both terrestrial and marine resources.[2]
Korean archaeologists traditionally (until the 1990s) used a date of 1500 or 1000 BCE as the beginning of the Bronze Age. This is in spite of Bronze technology not being adopted in the southern portion of the Korean Peninsula until circa 700 BCE, and the archaeological record indicates that bronze objects were not used in relatively large numbers until after 400 BCE. This does leave Korea with a proper Bronze Age, albeit a relatively short one, Bronze metallurgy beginning to be replaced by ferrous metallurgy soon after it had become widespread.[3]
posted by lukaszM on anthrogenica
M740087 I2499 Ba_Anatolia K1a2
M172896 I2937 Greece_N K1a26
M796833 I0070 Minoan H13a1a J2a1d
M715422 I0073 Minoan H1af1a J2a1
M209270 I9006 Mycenaean X2d1
M472594 I9010 Mycenaean X2
M665102 I9033 Mycenaean H7a2
M866617 I9041 Mycenaean X2 J2a1
M293012 I9123 Crete Armenoi U5a1
http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthre...l=1#post270619
These kits used to work, but now says ERROR: Kit number not found.
I think some kits have been deleted. I do not know the reason. You should ask mlukas who had uploaded them to Gedmatch.
Where did he obtain them from?
Edit: Okay, I see you can get it from here: https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/datasets
Genotypes of ancient individuals analyzed in Lazaridis et al. Nature 2017
All but one from the Mycenaean/Minoan study, ever notice that?
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Exactly from there but are not released in a format suitable for uploading to Gedmatch, they must be converted.
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