R1b-DF19

[Parafarne]

Gallic or Germanic?

[Parafarne]

hi I have created this thread to discus about r1b df19, it is geographically very germanic and within the germanic area of influence historically yet it is near to gallo-roman haplogroups genealogically so I am confused about its belonging and origin.Please discus this and reply to it! Thanks

[Parafarne]

Well theres no discussion from anyone so I researched myself a bit about R-DF19 it seems that its a Germanic lineage and spread from southern Scandinavia togather with R-S21, I1, R-L238.I got his information from FTDNA website.

[Catalan]

Insert a dot where indicated. nature dot com/articles/s41598-017-07710-x?WT.feed_name=subjects_biological-sciences

[Parafarne]

Insert a dot where indicated. nature dot com/articles/s41598-017-07710-x?WT.feed_name=subjects_biological-sciences

Tanx very informative link about DF27, I hope theres research about DF19 too 😃

[zpbowyer]

I belong to r1b-DF19 and live in Virginia, USA. I know literally nothing about it but I'm trying to find out more.

[Greg Streib]

I am glad there is a thread. I am an R-DF88. Here are two things that I learned recently.

This looked like an interesting article: The Dutch Y-Chromosomal Landscape. If I am reading this correctly. They did a sample/study of Dutch DNA and found no DF19 lines. Some do make a Frisian connection, so I thought DF19 might show up. This may or may not be meaningful.

Second, I was chatting with someone about my Y lineage from Eschelbronn, Germany. He seemed knowledgeable about the distribution of DF19. He said that there was little knowledge about Eschelbronn; however, there was a lot of DF19 in the surrounding area (Heidelberg is close by). Given my own DNA and what we already think we know, this might be evidence of a migration of some sort. Though I do not think there is a DNA map of Germany.

[VikingRaider]

A relative in 2009 took a DNA test on 23AndMe, which stated he was R1b1b2a1a2d3, found among Celts in Northern Ireland 500 years ago (although there were no "Celts" 500 years ago)...

On World Families (which is no longer running) they told me it was Alpine Celtic, R1b U152, so for almost ten years I thought I was Alpine Celtic/Roman....

Then, another relative (and I think the U152 relative), both took the DNA test in 2017 on Family Tree DNA and are listed as R1b DF19 which was discovered in 2011 as a new subglade.

Were they listing people as U152 back in 2010 who were actually DF19 since they seem to be closely related, both being descended from P312......?

[Pvg1949]

I am of Dutch origine (12th -18th century, north Brabant), and i am Df19.
gr,
Paul