Eupedia Forums
Site NavigationEupedia Top > Eupedia Forum & Japan Forum

View Poll Results: How credible are FTDNA's test results concerning association to ethnic groups?

Voters
7. You may not vote on this poll
  • ***** very high credibility (very few inconsistencies)

    0 0%
  • ****_ high credibility

    1 14.29%
  • ***__ medium credibility

    0 0%
  • **___ low credibility

    6 85.71%
  • *____ very low credibility (a lot of inconsistencies)

    0 0%
Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 25 of 33

Thread: Credibility of FTDNA

  1. #1
    Regular Member Achievements:
    1 year registered1000 Experience Points

    Join Date
    28-03-17
    Posts
    71
    Points
    1,115
    Level
    8
    Points: 1,115, Level: 8
    Level completed: 83%, Points required for next Level: 35
    Overall activity: 0%


    Country: Italy



    Credibility of FTDNA

    In your opinion,
    how credible is FTDNA's results concerning identification of ethnic groups?

  2. #2
    Regular Member Achievements:
    Veteran5000 Experience Points

    Join Date
    23-02-11
    Posts
    200
    Points
    9,153
    Level
    28
    Points: 9,153, Level: 28
    Level completed: 68%, Points required for next Level: 197
    Overall activity: 0%


    Country: France



    1 members found this post helpful.
    Low credibility

  3. #3
    Regular Member Achievements:
    1000 Experience PointsVeteran

    Join Date
    22-10-16
    Posts
    21
    Points
    2,998
    Level
    15
    Points: 2,998, Level: 15
    Level completed: 83%, Points required for next Level: 52
    Overall activity: 0%


    Country: Canada



    1 members found this post helpful.
    I'll be honest I thought my original MyOrigins was reasonably decent and in line withe the general trend of tests , but the new "upgrade " is pretty lousy.

  4. #4
    Regular Member Achievements:
    1 year registered1000 Experience Points

    Join Date
    28-03-17
    Posts
    71
    Points
    1,115
    Level
    8
    Points: 1,115, Level: 8
    Level completed: 83%, Points required for next Level: 35
    Overall activity: 0%


    Country: Italy



    Quote Originally Posted by Carl Graham View Post
    I'll be honest I thought my original MyOrigins was reasonably decent and in line withe the general trend of tests , but the new "upgrade " is pretty lousy.
    Did you get any reasonable answer from their forum? It seems 100% amateurish.
    Last edited by castelleone; 29-07-17 at 08:59.

  5. #5
    Regular Member Achievements:
    1000 Experience PointsVeteran

    Join Date
    22-10-16
    Posts
    21
    Points
    2,998
    Level
    15
    Points: 2,998, Level: 15
    Level completed: 83%, Points required for next Level: 52
    Overall activity: 0%


    Country: Canada



    1 members found this post helpful.
    Their forums are so mediocre I don't bother with them.

  6. #6
    Regular Member Achievements:
    1 year registered1000 Experience Points

    Join Date
    28-03-17
    Posts
    71
    Points
    1,115
    Level
    8
    Points: 1,115, Level: 8
    Level completed: 83%, Points required for next Level: 35
    Overall activity: 0%


    Country: Italy



    Quote Originally Posted by Carl Graham View Post
    Their forums are so mediocre I don't bother with them.
    I had the same impression,
    since they seem to allow for so much delusional misinformation to spread.
    What bothers you the most?

  7. #7
    Regular Member Achievements:
    250 Experience Points3 months registered

    Join Date
    30-08-17
    Posts
    21
    Points
    461
    Level
    5
    Points: 461, Level: 5
    Level completed: 11%, Points required for next Level: 89
    Overall activity: 0%


    Country: Bosnia & Herzegovina



    I think it is better then ancestry in my opinion, as I stated I think it did a better job of break down the Balkan and Eastern Europe areas then Ancestry does.

  8. #8
    Regular Member Achievements:
    1 year registered1000 Experience Points
    AbdoNumen's Avatar
    Join Date
    20-11-17
    Posts
    10
    Points
    1,888
    Level
    12
    Points: 1,888, Level: 12
    Level completed: 13%, Points required for next Level: 262
    Overall activity: 0%

    Y-DNA haplogroup
    E-Z21420
    MtDNA haplogroup
    J2b1

    Ethnic group
    Mountain Jew
    Country: USA - Pennsylvania



    As far as Middle/Near Eastern populations go, FTDNA is one of the only companies out there brave enough to break the region down into sub-regions. Though from the samples I've seen, it is heavily weighted toward Asia Minor.

    My hope is that myOrigins 3.0 will introduce other regions and modal populations such as Caucasus (Nakh, Georgian, Adyghe), Persia, Arabia, and will incorporate ancient DNA for regions that were desolate for much of modern history like southern Levant.

  9. #9
    Regular Member Achievements:
    1 year registered5000 Experience PointsThree Friends
    I1a3_Young's Avatar
    Join Date
    03-05-17
    Location
    Arkansas
    Posts
    534
    Points
    9,169
    Level
    28
    Points: 9,169, Level: 28
    Level completed: 70%, Points required for next Level: 181
    Overall activity: 3.0%

    Y-DNA haplogroup
    I1 Z63*
    MtDNA haplogroup
    H5b1

    Ethnic group
    Basically British
    Country: USA - Arkansas



    Quote Originally Posted by castelleone View Post
    In your opinion,
    how credible is FTDNA's results concerning identification of ethnic groups?
    They inflate Scandinavian percentages to unbelievable levels for me.
    Administrator of the Young Family Project
    Genetic genealogy enthusiast

  10. #10
    Junior Member Achievements:
    1 year registered1000 Experience Points

    Join Date
    25-10-17
    Posts
    4
    Points
    1,008
    Level
    8
    Points: 1,008, Level: 8
    Level completed: 29%, Points required for next Level: 142
    Overall activity: 1.0%

    Y-DNA haplogroup
    G-L497
    MtDNA haplogroup
    T2f1

    Ethnic group
    Ukraine ( direct Paternal)/ Polish ( direct maternal ) Rusyn
    Country: USA - New Jersey



    Very low credibility . I have english in my Ancestry ( lee, Green , Downes,etc) and I got zero percent Great britain and irish.

  11. #11
    Regular Member Achievements:
    1000 Experience Points1 year registered

    Join Date
    08-12-16
    Posts
    274
    Points
    3,992
    Level
    18
    Points: 3,992, Level: 18
    Level completed: 36%, Points required for next Level: 258
    Overall activity: 7.0%

    Y-DNA haplogroup
    I-FGC24357
    MtDNA haplogroup
    K2a6

    Ethnic group
    Hainaut Belgium and Quebec Canada
    Country: USA - California



    Mom(French Canadian)
    West And Central Europe: 99%
    East Middle East: 2%

    Dad(Wallonia Belgian)
    West And Central Europe: 80%
    Southeast Europe: 13%
    Scandinavia: 6%
    Finland: 2%

    Me
    West And Central Europe: 90%
    Southeast Europe: 10%

  12. #12
    Regular Member Achievements:
    1 year registered1000 Experience Points
    OkTex's Avatar
    Join Date
    05-04-17
    Location
    Ok City, OKlahoma
    Age
    69
    Posts
    33
    Points
    2,308
    Level
    13
    Points: 2,308, Level: 13
    Level completed: 53%, Points required for next Level: 142
    Overall activity: 0%

    Y-DNA haplogroup
    R1b-fgc10117+

    Ethnic group
    British Isles
    Country: USA - Oklahoma



    Pretty happy with my FTDNA calls...myself, an uncle and a double-cousin all seem accurate... I did not have pre-conceived ethnicities based on guesses or surnames.

  13. #13
    Regular Member Achievements:
    1 year registered1000 Experience Points

    Join Date
    28-03-17
    Posts
    71
    Points
    1,115
    Level
    8
    Points: 1,115, Level: 8
    Level completed: 83%, Points required for next Level: 35
    Overall activity: 0%


    Country: Italy



    Quote Originally Posted by OkTex View Post
    Pretty happy with my FTDNA calls...myself, an uncle and a double-cousin all seem accurate... I did not have pre-conceived ethnicities based on guesses or surnames.
    is this equivalent to say, you didnt need the test because it suffices to look at yourselves in the mirror?

  14. #14
    Regular Member Achievements:
    1000 Experience PointsVeteran
    Mich Glitch's Avatar
    Join Date
    10-12-16
    Posts
    77
    Points
    1,744
    Level
    11
    Points: 1,744, Level: 11
    Level completed: 65%, Points required for next Level: 106
    Overall activity: 5.0%

    Y-DNA haplogroup
    J2b1
    MtDNA haplogroup
    H6a1a5

    Country: Canada



    Show me the best company please.
    Any results concerning identification of ethnic groups are low credible. That's all.

  15. #15
    Regular Member Achievements:
    1 year registered1000 Experience Points

    Join Date
    28-03-17
    Posts
    71
    Points
    1,115
    Level
    8
    Points: 1,115, Level: 8
    Level completed: 83%, Points required for next Level: 35
    Overall activity: 0%


    Country: Italy



    Quote Originally Posted by Mich Glitch View Post
    Show me the best company please.
    Any results concerning identification of ethnic groups are low credible. That's all.
    Thank you for enriching this thread with generalization and inductive fallacy.

  16. #16
    Regular Member Achievements:
    1000 Experience Points1 year registered

    Join Date
    08-12-16
    Posts
    274
    Points
    3,992
    Level
    18
    Points: 3,992, Level: 18
    Level completed: 36%, Points required for next Level: 258
    Overall activity: 7.0%

    Y-DNA haplogroup
    I-FGC24357
    MtDNA haplogroup
    K2a6

    Ethnic group
    Hainaut Belgium and Quebec Canada
    Country: USA - California



    My wife is half Italian (Naples and Northern Italy). Here are her Southern Europe scores from various companies:

    23andMe:
    Italian: 32.5%
    Iberian: 5.2%
    Broadly Southern: 8.9%

    DNA Land:
    South/Central European: 33%
    Southwestern European: 4.6%


    FTDNA:
    Iberian: 32%
    Southeastern Europe: 14%
    Sephardic: 14%

    Is the FTDNA algorithm really that off or does this mean it’s just really hard to differentiate Southern European alleles?

  17. #17
    Princess Achievements:
    Overdrive10000 Experience PointsVeteranThree Friends
    davef's Avatar
    Join Date
    19-06-16
    Location
    New York
    Posts
    2,240
    Points
    12,148
    Level
    33
    Points: 12,148, Level: 33
    Level completed: 29%, Points required for next Level: 502
    Overall activity: 2.0%


    Ethnic group
    Italian,Irish,Jewish
    Country: USA - New York



    In 23 and me she's 45 percent southern, DNA land she's 37 percent southern, ftdna she's 60 percent Southern. What did she get in the other categories (each test listed)?
    mmmmmmmmm dooouuughhhnuuuutz

  18. #18
    Regular Member Achievements:
    1000 Experience Points1 year registered

    Join Date
    08-12-16
    Posts
    274
    Points
    3,992
    Level
    18
    Points: 3,992, Level: 18
    Level completed: 36%, Points required for next Level: 258
    Overall activity: 7.0%

    Y-DNA haplogroup
    I-FGC24357
    MtDNA haplogroup
    K2a6

    Ethnic group
    Hainaut Belgium and Quebec Canada
    Country: USA - California



    Quote Originally Posted by davef View Post
    In 23 and me she's 45 percent southern, DNA land she's 37 percent southern, ftdna she's 60 percent Southern. What did she get in the other categories (each test listed)?
    To be more precise my wife is half Italian (Naples/Amalfi and Northern Italy), and half American (mostly British Ancestry). Full scores listed below with the addition of Myheritage.

    23andMe:
    Southern European 46.5%
    Italian: 32.5%
    Iberian: 5.2%
    Broadly Southern: 8.9%
    Northwestern European: 43.6%
    British and Irish: 20.9%
    French and German: 6.3%
    Broadly Northwestern: 16.5%
    Broadly European: 9%
    Native American: 0.5%


    DNA Land:
    Northwest European: 41%
    South/Central European: 33%
    Ashkenazi: 8%
    Central Indoeuropean: 4.8%
    Southwestern European: 4.6%
    North African 4.4%
    Native American: 1.8%
    Arab/Egyptian: 1.1%


    Myheritage:
    Italian: 59.3%
    English: 17.3%
    North and West European: 10.7%
    Irish, Scottish, And Welsh: 6.1%
    Ashkenazi Jewish: 5.6%
    Native American: 1%


    FTDNA:
    British Isles: 33%
    Iberian: 32%
    Southeastern Europe: 14%
    Sephardic: 14%
    West and Central Europe: 3%
    South Central Asia: <2%
    Asia Minor: <2%
    Ashkenazi:<1%
    Oceania:<1%
    East Europe: <1%
    North and Central America: <1%

  19. #19
    Advisor Achievements:
    VeteranThree Friends50000 Experience PointsRecommendation Second Class
    Awards:
    Posting Award
    Angela's Avatar
    Join Date
    02-01-11
    Posts
    16,851
    Points
    368,298
    Level
    100
    Points: 368,298, Level: 100
    Level completed: 0%, Points required for next Level: 0
    Overall activity: 99.6%


    Ethnic group
    Italian
    Country: USA - New York



    Quote Originally Posted by mwauthy View Post
    To be more precise my wife is half Italian (Naples/Amalfi and Northern Italy), and half American (mostly British Ancestry). Full scores listed below with the addition of Myheritage.

    23andMe:
    Southern European 46.5%
    Italian: 32.5%
    Iberian: 5.2%
    Broadly Southern: 8.9%
    Northwestern European: 43.6%
    British and Irish: 20.9%
    French and German: 6.3%
    Broadly Northwestern: 16.5%
    Broadly European: 9%
    Native American: 0.5%


    DNA Land:
    Northwest European: 41%
    South/Central European: 33%
    Ashkenazi: 8%
    Central Indoeuropean: 4.8%
    Southwestern European: 4.6%
    North African 4.4%
    Native American: 1.8%
    Arab/Egyptian: 1.1%


    Myheritage:
    Italian: 59.3%
    English: 17.3%
    North and West European: 10.7%
    Irish, Scottish, And Welsh: 6.1%
    Ashkenazi Jewish: 5.6%
    Native American: 1%


    FTDNA:
    British Isles: 33%
    Iberian: 32%
    Southeastern Europe: 14%
    Sephardic: 14%
    West and Central Europe: 3%
    South Central Asia: <2%
    Asia Minor: <2%
    Ashkenazi:<1%
    Oceania:<1%
    East Europe: <1%
    North and Central America: <1%
    This is what I mean when I say that I don't trust FTDNA at all.

    Let's assume that someone was adopted, and was half Italian. FTDNA would steer this person totally in the wrong direction.

    My Heritage isn't bad, but it overstates the percentage. DNA Land understates it, and uses the term "South Central European". Do they tell people that means Italian?

    23andme needs one little bit of explanation, which is that if someone gets a large percentage of Italian and then minority bits of Iberian and Southern European, they should add all of that together, because that's very close to the percentage. Is this the v5 result? If it isn't, v5 might get even closer. It did for me.


    Non si fa il proprio dovere perchè qualcuno ci dica grazie, lo si fa per principio, per se stessi, per la propria dignità. Oriana Fallaci

  20. #20
    Regular Member Achievements:
    1000 Experience Points1 year registered

    Join Date
    08-12-16
    Posts
    274
    Points
    3,992
    Level
    18
    Points: 3,992, Level: 18
    Level completed: 36%, Points required for next Level: 258
    Overall activity: 7.0%

    Y-DNA haplogroup
    I-FGC24357
    MtDNA haplogroup
    K2a6

    Ethnic group
    Hainaut Belgium and Quebec Canada
    Country: USA - California



    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    This is what I mean when I say that I don't trust FTDNA at all.
    Let's assume that someone was adopted, and was half Italian. FTDNA would steer this person totally in the wrong direction.
    My Heritage isn't bad, but it overstates the percentage. DNA Land understates it, and uses the term "South Central European". Do they tell people that means Italian?
    23andme needs one little bit of explanation, which is that if someone gets a large percentage of Italian and then minority bits of Iberian and Southern European, they should add all of that together, because that's very close to the percentage. Is this the v5 result? If it isn't, v5 might get even closer. It did for me.
    I agree with your analysis. It was 23andMe V4.
    They do mention on DNA Land that South Central European is for central/northern Italy because the samples they use are from Tuscany and Bergamo.
    Last edited by mwauthy; 26-12-17 at 17:58. Reason: Addition

  21. #21
    Princess Achievements:
    Overdrive10000 Experience PointsVeteranThree Friends
    davef's Avatar
    Join Date
    19-06-16
    Location
    New York
    Posts
    2,240
    Points
    12,148
    Level
    33
    Points: 12,148, Level: 33
    Level completed: 29%, Points required for next Level: 502
    Overall activity: 2.0%


    Ethnic group
    Italian,Irish,Jewish
    Country: USA - New York



    How much % north Italian and % south Italian is she?

    Oh and cute kitty avatar Angela :)

  22. #22
    Regular Member Achievements:
    1000 Experience Points1 year registered

    Join Date
    08-12-16
    Posts
    274
    Points
    3,992
    Level
    18
    Points: 3,992, Level: 18
    Level completed: 36%, Points required for next Level: 258
    Overall activity: 7.0%

    Y-DNA haplogroup
    I-FGC24357
    MtDNA haplogroup
    K2a6

    Ethnic group
    Hainaut Belgium and Quebec Canada
    Country: USA - California



    Quote Originally Posted by davef View Post
    How much % north Italian and % south Italian is she?

    Oh and cute kitty avatar Angela :)
    Her Grandma is from Naples/Amalfi area and her Grandpa is from Northern Italy. So 1/4 Northern. It depends on whether or not you consider Naples closer to central Italy or Southern Italy for the other 1/4. On DNA Land she did not get any Mediterranean Islander which has samples from Sicily or any Sardinian. If you add her South Central European 33% with Southwestern 4.6% with Central IndoEuropean 4.8% with North African 4.4% with Arab/Egyptian 1.1% you get 47.9% or almost half Italian. This is also close to 46.5% Southern Europe score from 23andMe.

  23. #23
    Princess Achievements:
    Overdrive10000 Experience PointsVeteranThree Friends
    davef's Avatar
    Join Date
    19-06-16
    Location
    New York
    Posts
    2,240
    Points
    12,148
    Level
    33
    Points: 12,148, Level: 33
    Level completed: 29%, Points required for next Level: 502
    Overall activity: 2.0%


    Ethnic group
    Italian,Irish,Jewish
    Country: USA - New York



    Quote Originally Posted by mwauthy View Post
    Her Grandma is from Naples/Amalfi area and her Grandpa is from Northern Italy. So 1/4 Northern. It depends on whether or not you consider Naples closer to central Italy or Southern Italy for the other 1/4. On DNA Land she did not get any Mediterranean Islander which has samples from Sicily or any Sardinian. If you add her South Central European 33% with Southwestern 4.6% with Central IndoEuropean 4.8% with North African 4.4% with Arab/Egyptian 1.1% you get 47.9% or almost half Italian. This is also close to 46.5% Southern Europe score from 23andMe.
    Naples is without a doubt in southern Italy, so that makes her 1/4 southern Italian.

  24. #24
    Junior Member Achievements:
    1000 Experience PointsVeteran

    Join Date
    07-03-16
    Location
    Florida, USA
    Posts
    7
    Points
    3,021
    Level
    15
    Points: 3,021, Level: 15
    Level completed: 91%, Points required for next Level: 29
    Overall activity: 0%

    Y-DNA haplogroup
    R1a-YP6291
    MtDNA haplogroup
    J1c

    Country: UK - Scotland



    Didn’t vote due to lack of paternal info., but here are the results and some comparisons. Maternal side paperwork traces back through Scot/Irish Ancestry to around mid 1700’s. Family surnames are mentioned as far back as Dal Riada, so I should have a high degree of British. FTDNA breakdown is at 98% British Isles and 2% Ashkenazi. Ancestry 49% I/S/W, 47% GB, 1% European Jewish. 23andMe 90.8% B&I, Scandinavian 1.4%, Broadly NW Eur. 6%. Geno2 B&I 97%, 2% Arabian. Other tests taken all fall within the same percentage framework. Not a great amount of variation for me between the various testing companies.

  25. #25
    Regular Member Achievements:
    1000 Experience Points1 year registered

    Join Date
    08-12-16
    Posts
    274
    Points
    3,992
    Level
    18
    Points: 3,992, Level: 18
    Level completed: 36%, Points required for next Level: 258
    Overall activity: 7.0%

    Y-DNA haplogroup
    I-FGC24357
    MtDNA haplogroup
    K2a6

    Ethnic group
    Hainaut Belgium and Quebec Canada
    Country: USA - California



    Quote Originally Posted by Amerijoe View Post
    Didn’t vote due to lack of paternal info., but here are the results and some comparisons. Maternal side paperwork traces back through Scot/Irish Ancestry to around mid 1700’s. Family surnames are mentioned as far back as Dal Riada, so I should have a high degree of British. FTDNA breakdown is at 98% British Isles and 2% Ashkenazi. Ancestry 49% I/S/W, 47% GB, 1% European Jewish. 23andMe 90.8% B&I, Scandinavian 1.4%, Broadly NW Eur. 6%. Geno2 B&I 97%, 2% Arabian. Other tests taken all fall within the same percentage framework. Not a great amount of variation for me between the various testing companies.
    What are your DNA Land scores?
    Last edited by mwauthy; 26-12-17 at 22:22. Reason: Error

Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •