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    Quote Originally Posted by Yetos View Post
    me too,
    seems like Albanian scientists accepted easily such 'wind blow words'
    instead of critisizing such,
    or it is diplomacy and policy to accept whatever.
    even genetics,

    Anyway i do not share 'such' genetics.
    but I was waiting more from Albanian scholars,
    except if it is true, or fully accepted.
    The persons that you mentioned above are not scholars......these are religious fanatics financed to promote certain agendas.... not worth to be mentioned in these respected forum.


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    Yetos, Blevins - please don't miss the point.
    Just discovered that i am E V13. For me it means that few thousand years ago, a man was born with a mutation. Quite a lot of albanians, greeks, italians, serbs, croatian and many more descent from that single man.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bergin View Post
    Yetos, Blevins - please don't miss the point.
    Just discovered that i am E V13. For me it means that few thousand years ago, a man was born with a mutation. Quite a lot of albanians, greeks, italians, serbs, croatian and many more descent from that single man.

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    Congratulations, where are you from....which city??


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    Born in Tirana actually

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bergin View Post
    Yetos, Blevins - please don't miss the point.
    Just discovered that i am E V13. For me it means that few thousand years ago, a man was born with a mutation. Quite a lot of albanians, greeks, italians, serbs, croatian and many more descent from that single man.
    Problem is that Serbs do not know that they share E1b subclades with Albanians. They talk about this mutation as old-Balkanic.

    They can not accept fact that they and Albanian origin. All Orthodox population of former Yugoslavia after departure of the Turks become Serbs, and now it's visible in genetics.

    Which faith Albanians were before coming Turks to the Balkans???. Logically they were Orthodox with smaller part of Catholics towards Montenegro.

    If is epicenter of E1b in Kosovo, who built and visited all those monasteries..logically people with E1b or today's Albanias.

    It is unlikely that Serb( Slavic genes) came(every Sunday) in those monasteries from southern Serbia.

    Possibly some monastery was built by some Serbian leader, but I think that these monasteries were probably built in Byzantine times for local Orthodoxy peoples today's Albanians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hrvat22 View Post
    Problem is that Serbs do not know that they share E1b subclades with Albanians. They talk about this mutation as old-Balkanic.

    They can not accept fact that they and Albanian origin.
    4 million Germans also share E1b subclades with Albanians. Are they of Albanian origin too?

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    I dont think e1b is of albanian origin. Neither is r1b(or a) based on a modern nation

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    The only special connection between albania and ev13 is that this haplogroup is the dominant one there. In germany, italy, romania and others, even with higher absoluye numbers, it still is a minority haplogroup.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shetop View Post
    4 million Germans also share E1b subclades with Albanians. Are they of Albanian origin too?
    If E1b in Germans is 3,000 years old obviously is not Albanian origin, but there are and other branches of E1b and not just branch with source from Albania. I'm talking about branch CTS5856.

    If is branch CTS5856 in the Germans, they come from Albanian hills, when.. needs to be determined and then bring conclusion. If subclades are 500 years old in Germans and come from Balkans to Germany thing is clear.

    Only needs to see which are original Greeks branches and Albanian branches and their migration in Balkan area and then bring conclusion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bergin View Post
    I dont think e1b is of albanian origin. Neither is r1b(or a) based on a modern nation

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    And I do not think that E1b is Albanian origin because Albanians did not live in Africa.

    E1b with subclade or branch CTS5856 is Albanian origin, whether it is been Illyrian etc. I have to call it Albanian because it is in today's Albanians.

    Illyrians had dozens of tribes, then it's better to say today's Albanians.

    Who will now look which E1b belong to which tribe when they were all mixed in the territory of Illyria and today's Albania. It will perhaps known for 20 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bergin View Post
    The only special connection between albania and ev13 is that this haplogroup is the dominant one there.

    Subclade CTS5856 for which co-administrator of the FTDNA E-M35 project says that probably comes from border between Albania, Montenegro and Serbia.

    It is not just a dominant, but it comes from northern Albania (‚ÄčSubclade CTS5856)


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    Quote Originally Posted by hrvat22 View Post
    If is branch CTS5856 in the Germans, they come from Albanian hills
    Yes, the branch of E-V13 found in Germany is exactly CTS5856.

    The same as you are I'm also interested in the topic of haplogroups and genealogy, otherwise I would not be writing here. But there are a lot of of details and inputs one has to take into account when the goal is to make right conclusions. One day you may understand what I'm saying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bergin View Post
    Born in Tirana actually

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shetop View Post
    Yes, the branch of E-V13 found in Germany is exactly CTS5856.

    The same as you are I'm also interested in the topic of haplogroups and genealogy, otherwise I would not be writing here. But there are a lot of of details and inputs one has to take into account when the goal is to make right conclusions. One day you may understand what I'm saying.
    So what's the problem?

    When they explore more detailed Germans subclades of E1b CTS5856, we will make a logical conclusion.
    Subclades behind CTS5856 may have come to Germany before 4700, 3000, 2000, 500 years. We do not know yet, only we know that they were originally came from Albanian hills.

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    Hrvat, how do you now that cts5856 originated in albanian hills. Is there any new paper out that i ignore?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bergin View Post
    Hrvat, how do you now that cts5856 originated in albanian hills. Is there any new paper out that i ignore?

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    Subclade CTS5856 for which co-administrator of the FTDNA E-M35 project says that probably comes from border between Albania, Montenegro and Serbia.



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    This is new to me, first thanks for sharing. Eupedia has a different version i think, more north, and strong bronze age expansion. I hope some of the administrators here will explain us better

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    0 out of 1 members found this post helpful.
    This thread was supposed to be about greek subclades, but as always some random albanian comes up and messes it up.

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    Sorry man, it is just that genetics dont know borders. Anyway back to topic

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bergin View Post
    This is new to me, first thanks for sharing. Eupedia has a different version i think, more north, and strong bronze age expansion. I hope some of the administrators here will explain us better

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    I see that on Serbian forum, it is writte by co-administrator of FTDNA E-M35 project.

    Although it was not finall there should be no reason not believe him.


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    Quote Originally Posted by PaschalisB View Post
    This thread was supposed to be about greek subclades, but as always some random albanian comes up and messes it up.
    We work for you and now you're angry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hrvat22 View Post
    If E1b in Germans is 3,000 years old obviously is not Albanian origin, but there are and other branches of E1b and not just branch with source from Albania. I'm talking about branch CTS5856.

    If is branch CTS5856 in the Germans, they come from Albanian hills, when.. needs to be determined and then bring conclusion. If subclades are 500 years old in Germans and come from Balkans to Germany thing is clear.

    Only needs to see which are original Greeks branches and Albanian branches and their migration in Balkan area and then bring conclusion.
    How can you determine it comes from the Albanian hills? Perhaps an earlier branch came from i.e. Thrace or Thessaly. What does that supposed to be? Are Albanians Thracians or Greeks? And how about J2? Perhaps the first branch comes from Anatolia? If there is a way of determining such a thing. Does this mean everyone Turk or an Anatolian?

    If 'only' Illyrians had EV-13, and classical Greeks, Thracians, Romans had none of it, and it can be proven that Albanian is somehow Illyrian, then I will grand you it's Albanian.

    But mere speculation that one clade comes from the Albanian hills means little.

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    How can you determine it comes from the Albanian hills?
    Subclade CTS5856 for which co-administrator of the FTDNA E-M35 project says that probably comes from border between Albania, Montenegro and Serbia.

    Perhaps an earlier branch came from i.e. Thrace or Thessaly


    Possible, but I have not heard anything about it yet.


    Are Albanians Thracians or Greeks?
    Are Albanians Croats or Serbs?, or are Chinese?

    And how about J2?
    Do some research and let us know.

    Perhaps the first branch comes from Anatolia?
    Maybe it came from Azerbaijan?

    If there is a way of determining such a thing
    If it is from Albanian hills probably it was discovered in those people that live on Albanian hills,
    they did not find it in the stones.

    Does this mean everyone Turk or an Anatolian?
    If some mutation came with Turks to Balkans it's the original Turkish mutation, where is source of the same needs to be seen and then make a conclusion.

    It's like when I'm talking about Croats and that they came from White Croatia ...their original mutation is I-S17250 and all carriers of same mutation are White Croatian origin.

    Serbs, Turks, Albanians, Greeks, Bosniaks, Slovenes, Bulgarians, Russians, Ukrainians, Rumanians, Croats etc. with this mutation are White Croatian origin and originate from one person where are only mentioned White Croats, and today's genetics only confirms it for Croats(that they come from southeast of Poland)

    ..once again.. only for Croats and for no one else.

    This is logic, and if it is not logic then from White Croatia and one common ancestor to Balkan coming Slovenians, Greeks, Albanians, Turkish, Bulgarian, Croat, Bosniak, Serbian, Romanian, Montenegrin and medieval Tribals, Dukljans, Zetans, Paganians, Vlachs, Morlachs, Zahumians, Travunians, Dalmatians etc..







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